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		<title>Bible Out of Schools, Koran In</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Maggie Thornton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cross-posted by Maggie at Maggie&#8217;s Notebook


A detail of the &#8220;Old Testament&#8221; Gutenberg Bibles is photographed at the Morgan Library and Museum Monday, May 19, 2008 in New York. For the first time in more than a decade, the Morgan Library and Museum will exhibit all three of its Gutenberg Bibles, the largest number of copies [...]]]></description>
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<div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-style: italic; font-size: 85%;">A detail of the &#8220;Old Testament&#8221; Gutenberg <span class="highlight">Bibles</span> is photographed at the Morgan Library and Museum Monday, May 19, 2008 in New York. For the first time in more than a decade, the Morgan Library and Museum will exhibit all three of its Gutenberg <span class="highlight">Bibles</span>, the largest number of copies in any single collection. the exhibit opens to the public May 20, 2008 and runs through Sept. 28, 2008.</span> <span style="font-size: 85%;">Photo credit: AP via <a href="http://www.daylife.com/photos" target="_blank">Daylife</a></span></div>
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<p><a href="http://www.bahaindex.com/en/news/1-general-news/4568-bible-club-battles-maryland-school-district-in-discrimination-suit" target="_blank">In Maryland</a>: A Bible Club for children is prohibited from handing out meeting notices to students. The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled the prohibition a violation of free speech. Much like the Missouri case profiled below, according to school policy, the Bible Club need only request to distribute their materials. The school took the position that a &#8220;third party&#8221; needed to approve the request, like the PTA, any sports team&#8230;or any government agency. The Bible Club is allowed to meet after school on school property, but is not allowed to notify parents of meeting dates. Decision of the second appeal is pending.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.christiantelegraph.com/issue2506.html">In Los Angeles</a>: A police sergeant was denied promotions (9 times the sergeant claims) and demoted because he quoted scripture on off-duty hours. His lawsuit alleges that this is common practice for the LAPD. The sergeant, when off-duty, is a senior pastor. At the request of an officer&#8217;s family, he conducted funeral services for the officer, and he quoted Corinthians 6, which mentions the &#8220;unrighteous:&#8221; fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, effeminates, abusers of themselves with mankind, thieves, the covetous, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners. The officer was in civilian clothing, off-duty and &#8220;in a church outside the city.&#8221;The objection of the LAPD seemed to be the reference to the &#8220;effeminates.&#8221;</p>
<p>In Missouri: A judge ruled that Bibles cannot be handed out to students who want them, but the Koran can be. Here&#8217;s the rest of the story:</p>
<p>The Gideons, the oldest Christian business and &#8220;professional mens association in the U.S. is prohibited from distributing free and unsolicited Bibles to students who want them in Missouri.</p>
<p>The South Iron School District&#8217;s policy is that outside literature by &#8220;various groups under set rules, irrespective of whether the literature is secular or religious&#8221; is allowed, and this policy includes accepting materials from atheisits, communists, gay rights, etc.,&#8221; if a group so requests.</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=83370" target="_blank">WorldNetDaily</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Judge Catherine Perry [in a trial court ruling] issued an order specifically prohibiting distribution of the Bible, and the Bible alone, after calling it an &#8220;instrument of religion.&#8221;</p>
<p>She said the district&#8217;s neutral treatment of literature is unacceptable, because it actually would allow the distribution of the Bible.</p></blockquote>
<p>Matthew Starver argued the case before the 8th circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis,  on behalf of the school district.</p>
<blockquote><p>The veto power, the judge wrote, must be provided to veto religious, but not secular, literature.</p></blockquote>
<p>According to Starver, Perry&#8217;s ruling legislated that a &#8220;private third party (like the ACLU)&#8221; had the right to veto the distribution request of the private applicant (in this case, the Gideons).</p>
<blockquote><p>Staver said the Constitution simply doesn&#8217;t allow the Bible to be singled out, like contraband, for special penalties.</p>
<p>How ironic [Starver said] that in America, until recent times, the Bible formed the basis of education, and now its mere presence is radioactive in the opinion of some judges,&#8221; he said. &#8220;The Founders never envisioned such open hostility toward the Christian religion as we see today in some venues. To single out the Bible alone for discriminatory treatment harkens back to the Dark Ages. America deserves better. Our Constitution should be respected, not disregarded.</p>
<p>The Quran is OK, and other kinds of religious texts; just not the Bible. The Bible alone is impermissible in the public school,&#8221; he said.</p></blockquote>
<p>The ACLU initiated the challenge in 2006. According to Starver, a decision is not expected for about two months.</p></div>
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		<title>The battle of Farmers Branch:  Democracy versus the judiciary</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JonJayRay</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[They are wasting their time with this judge.  It will have to go to appeal.  But he is probably giving them useful advice towards making their laws more waterproof
A federal judge on Wednesday struck down a Farmers Branch ordinance designed to block apartment rentals to most illegal immigrants.   And he minced [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>They are wasting their time with this judge.  It will have to go to appeal.  But he is probably giving them useful advice towards making their laws more waterproof</i></p>
<p>A federal judge on Wednesday struck down a Farmers Branch ordinance designed to block apartment rentals to most illegal immigrants.   And he minced no words in refusing to green-light a later ordinance the city&#8217;s attorneys had tailored to overcome legal issues related to the first.    &#8220;The court has already held, at least as a preliminary matter, that five different versions of the [previous] ordinance violate the United States Constitution,&#8221; U.S. District Judge Sam Lindsay wrote. &#8220;The new ordinance is yet another attempt to circumvent the court&#8217;s prior rulings and further an agenda that runs afoul of the United States Constitution.&#8221; </p>
<p>But Judge Lindsay did not rule against the newer ordinance. Instead, he said the city had &#8220;put the cart before the horse&#8221; in asking for an opinion on the measure when it has drawn no federal court challenge. </p>
<p>That, however, may be about to change.   Once Judge Lindsay issues his final judgment &#8211; which an attorney for the city said would incorporate all of his rulings in the lawsuit against the original ordinance &#8211; the city will begin a 15-day countdown to enactment of the newer measure. </p>
<p>And Bill Brewer, who represents some of the plaintiffs in the suit over the earlier measure, said Wednesday that if the city tries to implement the newer version, he will challenge it, too. </p>
<p>Newly elected Mayor Tim O&#8217;Hare, who as a City Council member has led the city&#8217;s efforts to drive out illegal immigrants, said he expects Judge Lindsay to block the newer measure as well.   &#8220;Then we would have two ordinances with which we can appeal to the 5th Circuit,&#8221; Mr. O&#8217;Hare said. &#8220;We&#8217;re confident in the end that we&#8217;re going to prevail.&#8221; </p>
<p>Judge Lindsay issued his permanent injunction barring implementation of the earlier measure, Ordinance 2903, a little more than a year after Farmers Branch voters approved it 2-to-1.   &#8220;The people&#8217;s will, and people&#8217;s decisions, and people&#8217;s wishes once again get ignored and overturned,&#8221; City Council member David Koch said. </p>
<p>Judge Lindsay said in his ruling that he was aware of the widespread support for Ordinance 2903, and he recognized citizens&#8217; frustration over federal failure to enforce immigration laws. But he said the court must decide whether the law passes constitutional muster.   &#8220;This is not the first time &#8211; nor will it be the last &#8211; that a court has held a politically popular ordinance to be unconstitutional,&#8221; the judge wrote. </p>
<p>Mr. Brewer said, &#8220;Clearly, if we are not gaining popularity for our view, at least we are gaining credibility.&#8221;   Ordinance 2903 would have required apartment managers or owners to obtain and maintain evidence that tenants are U.S. citizens or legal residents. Opponents argued that it would saddle apartment personnel with the duties of immigration officers, unfairly burdening them with deciding who was eligible to rent. </p>
<p>The City Council adopted the newer measure, Ordinance 2952, in January. It would require prospective renters to pay $5 and declare their citizenship or legal U.S. residency to obtain a license to rent a house or apartment. Landlords could rent to anyone with a license, but the city would check the tenants&#8217; information against a federal database to confirm their legal status.  </p>
<p>Judge Lindsay&#8217;s decision against Ordinance 2903 came in a summary judgment &#8211; without allowing the case to go to trial.   He wrote that only the federal government may determine whether someone is in the country legally. And he said the city, rather than deferring to the federal government&#8217;s determination of immigration status, had created its own classification scheme for determining which noncitizens could rent apartments.   &#8220;Because Farmers Branch has attempted to regulate immigration differently from the federal government, the ordinance is preempted by the supremacy clause&#8221; of the Constitution, Judge Lindsay said.  He said numerous city proposals to revise the law failed because they would have required the court to essentially redraft the measure, which is not the court&#8217;s job. </p>
<p>Lisa Graybill, legal director for the ACLU of Texas, which is one of the parties in the case, hailed the ruling.  &#8220;It&#8217;s a very clear victory for those of us who said from the beginning there are other more constitutional solutions to the problems that Farmers Branch identified and that these solutions so far are not only impractical, not only implausible, but clearly unconstitutional.&#8221; </p>
<p>Michael Jung of Strasburger &#038; Price, the law firm representing the city, expressed hope that Ordinance 2952 would ultimately withstand legal challenges.  &#8220;The legal problems &#8230; [Judge Lindsay] identifies with Ordinance 2903 have been addressed and we believe resolved in Ordinance 2952,&#8221; Mr. Jung said. </p>
<p>At the Washington-based Federation for American Immigration Reform, a group that wants more immigration restrictions, spokesman Ira Mehlman noted that tough laws have been upheld in Arizona and Oklahoma.   &#8220;There are a lot of conflicting legal opinions floating out there,&#8221; he said, &#8220;and obviously, at some point, they are going to have to be bundled up by a higher court. Our view is that all these will be upheld.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Show Me state says Show Me some ID</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 14:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently there has been an uproar because the Supreme Court finally upheld the legality of requesting an ID from a person before allowing him to vote.  This is a common sense item but I have always known that common sense is not that common.  The fight over IDs to vote has been a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently there has been an uproar because the Supreme Court finally upheld the legality of requesting an ID from a person before allowing him to vote.  This is a common sense item but I have always known that common sense is not that common.  The fight over IDs to vote has been a long one with liberals and the ACLU leading a charge against the idea that a person has to prove he is who he says he is in order to participate in one of our most important civil duties.</p>
<p>The claims are always the same.  Lower income people and the elderly will be disenfranchised.  This process is designed to keep certain groups from voting.  The arguments continue as to how it is wrong to require people to show ID before voting.  We are constantly told that the very same people who have IDs to cash welfare and Social Security checks will not have an ID to vote.  The real reason that IDs are opposed is that the requirement makes it harder to cheat and that is one thing that the opposition cannot tolerate.  The left is afraid that its dead population will no longer be allowed to vote&#8230;</p>
<p>I wrote about this [<a href="http://www.onebigdog.net/scotus-upholds-id-to-vote-law/">at my site</a>] after the Supreme Court decision and I indicated that I thought a person should have to prove he is a citizen before he can register to vote.  This is another common sense item.  Voting is a right that is limited to citizens so it only makes sense to ensure that citizens are the only people participating.  Unfortunately, many states are lax in this area so a great number of people are voting even though they have no right to do so.  Anyone who thinks this is OK has no respect for the law.</p>
<p>Missouri, the &#8220;Show Me&#8221; state has taken the ID issue one step further and is introducing legislation that would require people to prove they are citizens before they can register to vote.  This measure would be placed on the ballot and voters would decide for themselves.  This is absolutely great and not only is it a great exercise in democracy but it will fix a problem that has been ignored for quite some time.</p>
<p>Of course, there are people (guess who) who oppose this and cry about how many people will be disenfranchised.  This argument has as many holes in it as does the ID to vote arguments.  People are required to show they are citizens to <a href="http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html">get a Passport</a>.  There are many documents accepted for people who do not have Birth Certificates and there are ways to show citizenship.  People who want to do this have a means to do so, they just have to be willing.</p>
<p>I am sure that this issue will make its way to the Supreme Court but I do not see how it can lose.  You must be a citizen to vote so it only follows that one must prove citizenship in order to register to vote.  </p>
<p>I have a real problem with people or organizations that think it is too much of a burden to ensure one of our most important civil rights is protected.  I wonder why it is that these same groups will fight tooth and nail to protect a woman&#8217;s right to choose but refuse to fight hard for the people&#8217;s right to fair and honest elections (the people&#8217;s right to choose).</p>
<p>Maybe it is because fair and honest is not in their vernacular&#8230;</p>
<p>Source:<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/us/politics/12vote.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin&amp;partner=MYWAY&amp;pagewanted=print">New York Times</a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Commenter Rastaman asked a question today:
What do all these Republican-oriented political posts have to do with Stopping The ACLU?
Answer: Not a GD&#60;[edited] thing.
Hmmm. He&#8217;s right.
This is StopTheACLU.com &#8230; and it seems that we haven&#8217;t been talking a lot about stopping the ACLU. Not directly, at least.
But, the case can be made that electing a conservative [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commenter <a href="/archives/2008/02/09/fred-thompson-endorse-mccain/#comment-72564">Rastaman asked a question</a> today:</p>
<blockquote><p>What do all these Republican-oriented political posts have to do with Stopping The ACLU?<br />
Answer: Not a GD&lt;[edited] thing.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmmm. He&#8217;s right.</p>
<p>This is StopTheACLU.com &#8230; and it seems that we haven&#8217;t been talking a lot about stopping the ACLU. Not directly, at least.</p>
<p>But, the case can be made that electing a conservative &#8230; or a more conservative than the Democrats&#8217; offerings &#8230; candidate will help the fight against the outrages of the <a target="aclu" href="http://www.aclu.org/">ACLU</a>.</p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s look at the candidates from the standpoint of the ACLU.</p>
<p>Here are the ACLU lifetime ratings of the major party candidates still in the race:</p>
<p>Barack Hussein Obama (D) <a target="aclu" href="http://action.aclu.org/site/VoteCenter?congress=110&amp;repId=25424&amp;session_num=0&amp;page=legScore">82%</a><br />
Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton (D) <a target="aclu" href="http://action.aclu.org/site/VoteCenter?congress=110&amp;repId=455&amp;session_num=0&amp;page=legScore">75%</a><br />
Ronald Ernest &#8220;Ron&#8221; Paul (R) <a target="aclu" href="http://action.aclu.org/site/VoteCenter?congress=110&amp;repId=570&amp;session_num=0&amp;page=legScore">61%</a><br />
John Sidney McCain III (R) <a target="aclu" href="http://action.aclu.org/site/VoteCenter?congress=110&amp;repId=122&amp;session_num=0&amp;page=legScore">25%</a></p>
<p>Note: I have been unable to find ACLU ratings on Maurice Robert &#8220;Mike&#8221; Gravel (D), who was in the Senate from 1969-1981, and Michael Dale Huckabee (R), who served 10 years as governor of Arkansas. I would be very interested any any data (with sources) regarding their ratings. I will say that I suspect they rate Gravel very high, and Huckabee in the same range as McCain.</p>
<p>So, there you go.</p>
<p>The ACLU rates Obama, Clinton, and Paul highest of the four remaining candidates that are currently in Congress.</p>
<p>And McCain the lowest.</p>
<p>So, if you read anything here supporting McCain (or Huckabee), then, yes, it&#8217;s related &#8230; though indirectly &#8230; to stopping the ACLU.</p>
<p>Oh, and if you see a post supporting Ron Paul &#8230; well, then, it looks like someone might have forgotten to take their medications.</p>
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		<title>ACLU in the news</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All you have to do is google ACLU and there&#8217;s always something going on.
ACLU claims religious test &#8216;proposed as a necessary qualification&#8217; for president
If you can&#8217;t win your issue by the strength of your argumentâ€¦ then lie. Apparently that is the tactic of the ACLU if a recent &#8220;ACLU&#8217;s Diary&#8221; entry on the DailyKos by [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you have to do is google ACLU and there&#8217;s always something going on.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/1207/1207religioustest.htm">ACLU claims religious test &#8216;proposed as a necessary qualification&#8217; for president</a></p>
<blockquote><p>If you can&#8217;t win your issue by the strength of your argumentâ€¦ then lie. Apparently that is the tactic of the ACLU if a recent &#8220;ACLU&#8217;s Diary&#8221; entry on the DailyKos by T. Jeremy Gunn is any indication. With all the talk of religion surrounding the various candidates for the GOP nomination for president lately it has obviously been driving our ACLU Director of Freedom of Religion and Belief out of his gourd. (Though, one is excused for thinking that his title is a bit misleading for it should probably be a Freedom from Religion and Belief, but be that as it mayâ€¦) Gunn goes off half cocked over the supposed forced imposition of religion on the campaign for president.</p>
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<p>Read the rest.</p>
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