Three Kids Suspended for Not Standing for Pledge? Good!!!
Posted on May 9, 2008
Let me tell you right off the bat that I fully support people’s right to free expression. I also support this country and believe it is the right and responsibility of every one of us citizens, parent and teacher alike, to instill a deep sense of patriotism and love of country in our children. After all of you don’t have a deep sense of patriotism and a solid love of country what do you have?
Leftist tendencies, that’s what. Next thing you know you’re working for the ACLU defending child pornographers and pedophiles and backing people that want to teach our children that buggery is just fine but praying is illegal.
So what caused this rant you ask?
This story here about 3 kids that were suspended for not standing for the Pledge of Allegiance. These kids are future ACLU lawyers or I am a spotted dingo. At the very least they’ll be protesting at WTO meetings with masks on to hide their identities while busting out store front windows to protest capitalism.
You see, this is part of the problem in this country. We aren’t teaching these kids history and explaining to them WHY this is the greatest country in history, why they should be damned proud of it and just who they are insulting by not standing for that pledge.
They are insulting everyone who has laid down their life for this country and the ideals it was founded on.
They are insulting everyone in uniform that defends us daily, either from the islamic nut jobs in the middle east or the home grown nuts jobs on our streets.
But most of all they are insulting the very ideals we are founded on. Never mind that all of the above mentioned people fought to give those kids the freedom to not stand up, the very act of using that hard won freedom to not stand up and insult everything that flag stands for is obscene, and if that were my kid you can be sure that a serious course in American History would be enacted immediately following the ass kicking he’d get for his insulting behavior.
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be sure to check out the voting that they are carrying on at the newspaper………..it’s pretty chilling when you check the results……and it’s not a small amount of people who voted that the kids shouldn’t have to stand either.
sickening….
This arrived in my e-mail and seems appropriate to post here now . . .
One of my sons serves in the military. He is stationed stateside, here in California . He called me yesterday to let me know how warm and welcoming people were to him and his troops everywhere they go.
Telling me how people shake their hands and thank them for being willing to serve and
fight, not only our own freedoms but so that others may have them too.
Then he told me about an incident in the grocery store he stopped at yesterday, on his way home from the base.
He said that several people were in the line ahead of him, including a woman dressed in a burkha.
He said when she got to the cashier, she made a loud remark about the U.S. Flag lapel pin, the cashier wore on her smock.
The cashier reached up and touched the pin
and said, ‘Yes, I always wear it proudly, because I’m an American.’
The woman in the burkha then asked the cashier when she was going to stop bombing her countrymen, explaining that she was Iraqi.
Then, a Gentleman standing behind my son stepped forward, putting his arm around my son’s shoulders and nodding towards my son, said in a calm and gentle voice to the Iraqi woman:
Lady, hundreds of thousands of men and women like this young man have fought and died so that YOU could stand here, in MY country and accuse a check-out cashier of bombing YOUR countrymen.
It is my belief that had YOU been this outspoken in YOUR own country, we wouldn’t need to be there today.
But, hey, if you have now learned how to speak out so loudly and clearly, I’ll gladly buy you a ticket and pay your way back to Iraq , so you can straighten out the Mess in YOUR country, that you are obviously here in MY country to avoid.’
Everyone within hearing distance cheered!
Well, I may stand up for the pledge, but I don’t say, or put my hand over my heart.I’ll stand in respect, but I will say a pray under my breah. I only pledge Allegiance to God.
I have always believed that this is a direct assault on the First Comandment. “There shall be no other Gods before me”.
And futher more, you do relise that the “pledge” was writen by an Athestic Socialist, right?
“But most of all they are insulting the very ideals we are founded on.”
What happened to the first amendment? Freedom of speech, press, religion, etc. etc.
Speech has been declared, multiple times, by the Supreme Court (you know, the highest judicial court in the country) as any action verbal or NON-verbal.
So stop with the hypocrisy for a half second and realize what you are saying.
And another thing what makes us the best country in the world? The freedom? There are European countries that are more technically free. The amount of money we make? Maybe at the beginning of the 90’s, but not now.
Maybe, it’s the opportunity that makes us great. And guess who secures those opportunities for ordininary citizens? THE AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES ASSOCIATION.
Ian, I didn’t say the kids didn’t have the right to sit during the pledge, I said it insulted the very freedoms secured for them to sit.
The fact that you cannot grasp this simple concept and call it hypocrisy shows you as a simple minded brain washed cretin.
Ron, what you pledge under yoru breath is your business (free speech and all, pledge fealty to a cup of spoilt milk for all I or anyone else care, it’s your choice) but you do have the respect for the ideals behind the symbolism of the flag and the sacrifices that went into giving us the freedom to disrespect it.
You get it, Ron, and I respect and admire that. Just because you have the freedom to disrespect the flag and what it stands for doesn’t make doing so correct.
We have the freedom to call our soldiers baby killers and war mongers yet no self respecting person does this….see the difference Ian?
Ian, in deference to your handicap I am offering to send you a Silica Umbilicus absolutely free so that the suffering you endure from your CranialRectalitis may be relieved somewhat?
Just send an email you the CranialRectalitis Abatement Program and tell them Kender sent you. Your redemption code is DUURR.
Kender, when you get that freedom of speech means FREEDOM OF SPEECH, you’ll understand and be able to speak intelligently about people having risked and given their lives to defend it.
You talk about the ideals America was founded on without seeming to understand that the whole point of America is that those ideals apply to every American, not just the ones who see things your way.
Loudly proclaiming your support for freedom of expression at the same time as applauding the suppression of that freedom when you personally find it offensive, or even repugnant, demonstrates that you simply do not grasp the concept of freedom of speech. At all.
Seems to me that you’re just another ideologue, and once you boil away the platitudes, there’s not much to choose between you and an ACLU ideologue.
Darrell, again you miss the point. Not standing during the pledge is insulting to the flag, the country and those that have defended it.
Part of the problem here is that we aren’t teaching our kids WHY it’s important to respect the flag and the ideals behind it.
I do not understand how so many people can be so obtuse as to not understand that it is insulting not to at least stand during the pledge. I never said the kids didn’t have the right, I said it was an insult to remain sitting. You have many rights in public. You can walk around letting out explosive bursts of gaseous compounds from your backside, but just because you can does not mean it is polite to do so.
This is one of those times i wish that I was a lawyer. After all, there is a great deal of cash to be made representing these kids.
After all, the precedent supporting the absolute right of these kids to refuse to stand is only a mere 65-years-old, decided at the height of WWII. It is called West Virginia v. Barnette, and Justice Jackson (mentor to William Rehnquist) pretty clearly demolished any argument this school might have for punishing these students in the case. You might consider reading the opinions in the case before you comment upon it. One of the key passages is found here.
If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion, or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943)
In other words, it strikes me that the folks who are behaving in an unAmerican fashion in this case are not the kids, but the school authorities — and those who support them, especially with suggestions that child abuse (reference to an “ass kicking he’d get” for exercising his constitutional rights). Perhaps they could relocate to the People’s Republic of China or Cuba, where such actions are more in keeping with the values practiced by their governments.
rhymes with right, join the club of folks that don’t get it. Never mind the fact that this kid wasn’t even protesting (which would make his not standing mean something-he seems to just not be standing) but what many of you seem to realize is this is an insult.
Forget the school punishing him (which they shouldn’t) his parents should punish him. Teh school needs to be punished for not teaching this kid history and why he should stand for the pledge. See my comment above about walking around in public expelling huge amounts of noxious gas from your backside….you have the right to do so, but people generally don’t because it is considered rude and insulting.
I am not surprised that so many people are on the side of the kids to act insulting and ignorant towards our country flag and what it stands for, as that is the direction this country is headed.
Woe is the republic.
I think it might be important to see that the SCOTUS has also decided that schools can decide how much free speech children have. The courts have sided with the school in the Bongs for Jesus issue and have made it clear that schools may enforce dress codes and limit what kids put on their shirts. Kids are removed from school all the time for gang colors. The real problem is that we must realize that children are not adults and do not have the same freedoms and rights that adults do.
We can punish our children for saying things we do not like. I have every right to remove any right under the Constitution that my child might have. I can search his room without a warrant, I can deny him free speech and I can force my, and only my, religion on them, until they are adults (and technically while they live in my house).
Children are not mini adults and parents are responsible for them until they are adults so let us remove this pretense that they have “rights”. They have the rights I allow them to have.
In the opinion cited above one would assume that schools may not restrict dress but they can. If they had rights then there would be no such thing as hate speech. Let one of the kids use the N word and suspended. Offensive, yes but no more than disrespecting the flag.
As Kender said, the kids had a right to remain seated but exercising that right was disrespectful. You have a right to burn a flag (and I have a right to put out that fire with a lot of water pressure) but that does not mean burning a flag is not disrespectful and wrong.
Something that is legally right can be morally wrong.
The ACLU (founded by a Communist) is not the answer. They will support a Muslim kid offended by a ham sandwich a sandwich I might add that a child has the freedom to eat. The schools will change menus to accommodate one group over another and that is viewed as acceptable.
At 0600 and at 1700 each day on the military post where I work, the flag is raised and it is lowered. People are expected to stop what they are doing and render the proper respect. It is the rule.
Now, the Flag Code describes proper courtesy. Is it OK to ignore this because we do not like it? In that case is it OK to ignore any other Code based on the same criteria? It is just something to ponder.
I don’t care what the kids did. I have no hope in the next generation of spoiled, privileged brats who take but never give. However, if there are rules then I expect them to be obeyed. I don’t know if they had to stand but I know they SHOULD have.
It is the respectful thing to do.
Kender:
It might surprise you to find out that I am a very conservative history teacher (just check out my blog) and that we do teach them that stuff — but some kids still don’t get it.
Big Dog:
I agree that they SHOULD HAVE stood, as a matter of respect, but there is plenty of settled case law that they don’t have to do so as long as they don’t cause a disruption, which the article clearly indicates they did not. And as far as the flag code goes, it carries with it no criminal or civil penalty — and the Supreme Court has ruled that we are free to ignore it (in the flag burning case).
And to both of you, the notion of giving a child an “ass kicking” goes beyond proper discipline into child abuse.
“We have the freedom to call our soldiers baby killers and war mongers yet no self respecting person does this….see the difference Ian?”
There you go again, stating that no “self-respecting” person does that. What does self-respecting mean? I have a different definition than you do. I for one think that the war in Iraq is an atrocious waste of life and resources. I also feel that everyone that an American soldier kills is tantamount to murder (just as it is when an insurgent kills a soldier). So I could, within MY definition of self-respect, call a U.S. soldier a babykiller and war monger and still feel good about myself.
And you still haven’t really stated WHY you feel it should be compulsory to not insult the flag by standing during the pledge.
One more thing, why the personal attacks? I’m not mentally handicapped in the slightest. I simply have a different viewpoint than yourself.
Ian, first off the personal insults fly because I consider you mentally challenged due to the fact that you apparently have the reading comprehension of a goat. A smart goat but a goat nonetheless.
I stated plainly why I feel it people should not insult the flag by remaining sitting while the pledge is said, but apparently you don’t understand english. Reread the post, and maybe have your mom come down to the basement to help explain what respect means.
As for your definition of self respecting, see again the comment above about your lowered mental capabilities and maybe consider having mommy take out a third mortgage on your trailer to send you to sylvan learning center.
moron…