The Mourning After
Posted on January 20, 2008
I have still not ceased being amazed at how many conservatives have been fooled by Huckabee. Even more amazing to me is that in a state where illegal immigration was quoted as being the most important issue voted for the king of amnesty. Perhaps there was a reason that Fred Thompson’s campaign headquarters felt like a funeral last night. Duncan Hunter dropped out too. It makes one wonder if conservatism was buried last night.
Jeff Goldstein strikes in on the depression:
I will not, will not, vote for John McCain.
I will not, will not, vote for Mike Huckabee.
I will not, will not, vote for Ron Paul — unless he runs for Fuhrer. In which case, he’s got my full support.
I might hold my nose and vote for Mitt Romney, but to be perfectly honest, I have no confidence in him, and my vote would be moot, anyway: there’s no way he wins a national election. Because let’s face it: the average US voter is simply not ready to give the White House to a guy named after a first baseman’s glove.
Which means that if Fred Thompson drops out of the race (aside: I have no idea what Republican primary voters are thinking — other than that they are no longer interested in conservatism, and have become every bit as statist as their progressive counterparts), I’m resigning myself to a Democratic presidency in 2008 — and to the years of pain that will follow should the Dems maintain control of both the Executive and Legislative branches of government. Who knows? Maybe they even get the courts, too.
I really can’t see a strategy at this point that could bring a win for Fred if he stayed in. If anyone else is holding out hope and sees one, please share it. If he stays in, it will be interesting to hear the new strategy. So where to go from here? I have to agree with Bob Krumm, anyone but Huckabee! I’m pretty sure I want be joining my friend at the Scratching Post’s choices. I could probably hold my nose and vote for Mitt, especially if he were to pander to me and pick Fred for VP…if Fred is up for that. I’m sure anti-gun Rudy is hoping we all come flock to him. I’m really left in a state of not knowing where to turn.
So, I stand with the Discerning Texan with his plea to Fred:
Senator, I cannot tell you how much pride and admiration I have for you, your positions, and the classy way you have been conducting this campaign. I’ve supported you all along, and I believe that it would be by far the best thing for the party and the country if you stayed in the race and gave it your best shot at least until Super Tuesday. Because you ARE the example of how a campaign should be conducted, and of what a real Republican ought to be.
Even if you did not win the day outright today, you finished respectably and momentum was building for you all week. You passed up Romney, and you were nipping at Huck’s heels, I think if you stayed in for the long haul, you would easily garner enough delegates to have a serious say in the Republican platform; and there is a distinct possibility you might even decide who the candidate is to be in a brokered convention.
I know you are tired and road weary, and want to be with your family. Running for President is one hell of a tough thing to do. ( being the President isn’t exactly easy either). But Americans who really love their country have always found a way to perservere for things that really matter. Washington crossing the Deleware. Lincoln hiring Grant. Petraeus turning Iraq around in its darkest hour. This is what patriots do.
You can still have a huge impact–one way or another–on who becomes the next President; Senator, you can still be the next President. That is far too valuable to abandon the playing field to some two-bit Arkansas shyster now.
The bottom line is that you are still the standard bearer for the vision of the founders and of the vision of Reagan. We need that vision right now. The longer you can stay in and get your message out there, the better.
Take Huckabee out; the rest will take care of itself. And let’s see what your count is in February. It is not too late to win this election; just ask Rudy Giuliani…
Then again, for a more optimistic view-point…you do have to fight with the politicians you have.
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Fred was my second choice behind Romney, but all he is doing right now by staying in is helping McCain. Most Fred backers I have sen would vote for Mitt if Fred got out. That would be enough votes for Mitt to stop the liberals Huckabee and McAmnesty.
Jay - prepare to see alot of this line of bull in the future:
“I’ve been a big supporter of Fred, blah, blah, blah, but now I think I’m going to support Mitt Romney”.
/because of electability!
They’re so much alike aren’t they? Kind of like how newspapers have a penchant for finding those “lifelong Republicans” who now support Barack Obama.
Jeff Goldstein obviously has no clue what fascism is. Neocon = fascist
Ron Paul is the only conservative who stands a chance of beating a Dem in Nov. Actually, he’s the only conservative in the race.
“Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.”
– President Dwight D. Eisenhower
Weird how you lump in the one true conservative, whose views line up more closely than the sainted William F. Buckley than anybody else running (anti-Iraq war, pro-life, anti-drug war, anti-tax, pro-budget cuts, etc.) in with the likes of liberal Republicans like McCain & Huckabee.
Either you’re not looking very closely at the policy positions of Ron Paul, or your just such a big fan of our occupation of Iraq that it has blinded you to every other issue.
My thought is that if you vote for any of the other “Republicans” you are voting for the next Fuhrer. Ron Paul has said repeatedly that he does not want to run our lives and his voting record reflects his principled support of the Constitution. Dr. Paul has my vote.
It’s 1996 and Bob “It’s My Turn” Dole all over again.
We’re going to get our clocks cleaned in November.
Reality check:
Staying home is not an option when pure evil is running on the Democratic side. What kind of spoiled little children are we? Can’t have my candidate, so i am going to take my ball and go (or, stay) home on election day? Sorry, no sympathy here — unless you quit your job and cashed in all your IRAs to support Fred or whoever it is that is good enough to get your vote.
I too am amazed at how many conservatives are being fooled. Both sides of the divide - Dems & Reps - are dominated by members of the anti-American, globalist Council on Foriegn Relations. Our foriegn policy is regarded worldwide as dangerous and schizophrenic. Why we continue to place trust in the CFR is a mystery. The question we should be asking is who can we elect that will NOT continue the madness. One man has a chance, however slim, to turn the creeping tide of global government that is gradually burying our America. Connect the dots: rampant illegal immigration, a dollar that is fast approaching the value of the peso, due to the FED expanding the supply of paper money to “pay for” the Iraq war. The ultimate goal of these globalists is to bind us all under the yoke of the socialist-dominated U.N. and World Court. Only one candidate is not a member of the cabal. They’ve already beaten down and squelched the other non-CFR voices in both major parties, and minor parties still have no hope as the system has been redesigned and tweaked to assure they will NEVER gain traction. The one voice they continue to try and drown out gets more money from grassroots supporters than any other. Expect another surprise when this candidate they have tried unsuccessfully to smear as a racist, gets another 6 million dollars raised on Jan. 21, commemerating a dream, on Martin Luther King day. He will continue spreading the message of freedom and adherence to our Constitution as long as we keep financing his campaign.
Chances are, if you don’t like Ron Paul, you either haven’t taken time to read and/or listen to what he stands for, or you have bought into the idea that we need dictators and tyrants fro the other side of the world telling us how to live. If you vote for a CFR-approved candidate, that’s exactly what you’re asking for.
By the way, I like Fred, too, but I have a question: What is Fred’s relationship with the internationalist CFR?
It is a mystery to me why the Limbaughs, the Hannitys, the Malkins all give the CFR a free pass every day of the week . . . .
. . . . if for no other reason than to be intellectually honest enough to ask why this one organization (the CFR) has such a disproportionate influence (by virtue of membership) over such a huge proportion of our governing elites.
This lack of curiousity betokens something less than commendable in my book.
Still, I will admit that I would vote for CFR McCain or CFR Huckabee or CFR Romney before I would vote for CFR Obama or CFR Clinton.
He’s part of the CFR cabal too. Personally, I think Thompson, like Huckabee, is a “stealth” candidate. The CFR stacks both sides of the deck, and when they get wind of a popular candidate that isn’t part of their club, they produce token candidates that will say what people want to hear, thus diluting the vote for the popular threat to their little party. Fred didn’t really want to run, but he’s been pressured into it. He and Huckabee, and even Romney have co-opted Ron Paul’s issues to an extent. I don’t think this is by desire - it’s by design.
You know what, all this CFR crap really has nothing to do with anything I wrote. I’ve got an idea, find your own blog and write about that stuff.
‘m not an activist and I’m not a cynic. I’m just a person who wants to redefine in practical terms the immutable ideals that have guided us from the beginning. The key point of the following exposition is that I have a scientist’s respect for objective truth. That’s why I’m telling you that the next time the Ron Paul claque decides to evoke a misdirected response to genuine unresolved grievances, it should think to itself, cui bono? — who benefits?
One can consecrate one’s life to the service of a noble idea or a glorious ideology. The Ron Paul claque, however, is more likely to detach individuals from traditional sources of strength and identity — family, class, private associations. Some people have said that this is the precondition for my crusade against addlepated materialism. Maybe. But I’m more inclined to believe that it is not possible fully to understand the present except as a projection of the past. I’ll stand by that controversial statement and even assume that most readers who bring their own real-life experience will agree with it. At a bare minimum, the Ron Paul claque plans to fill our children’s minds with rude and debasing superstitions. It has instructed its flunkies not to discuss this or even admit to its plan’s existence. Obviously, the Ron Paul claque knows it has something to hide.
Today, as yesterday, it would be nugatory to discuss the Ron Paul claque’s subliminal psywar campaigns without first mentioning that the Ron Paul claque’s failure to acknowledge that you shouldn’t take threats made by benighted sad sacks too seriously is so unregenerate that the Ron Paul claque disguises its iron fist with a velvet glove, so to speak. The Ron Paul claque promises its agents provocateurs that as soon as it’s finished giving rise to the worst kinds of coldhearted autocrats there are, they’ll all become rich beyond their wildest dreams. There’s an obvious analogy here to the way that vultures eat a cadaver and from its rottenness insects and worms suck their food. The point is that comments like that don’t sit well with what I call amateurish, saturnine snobs. As long as I live, I will be shouting this truth from rooftops and doing everything I can to convert retreat into advance. I’ve left out many criticisms of the Ron Paul claque from this wailing wall of a letter. Nevertheless, I assert that it’s a start — a philosophical space where we can plant a new flag symbolizing all that is wrong with the Ron Paul claque.
Go ahead and vote for who you think is best suited to lead the country. Just know that your choice, if elected, is going to lead the country for at least another 4 years; look what’s happened to America in that time.
Whomever gets the credit/blame I don’t care; the fact is President Bush started with a balanced budget and, after campaigning on a platform of reducing the federal government and NO NATION BUILDING, he’s spent us into a huge crater with his obsession to “help Iraq.” I submit the Bush admin WANTED to spend America into this huge hole because only with a DEVALUED DOLLAR can the globalist agenda of merging North America into one Union, and delivering it to the world government, become a reality.
Connect the dots. It’s U.S. against them. (To paraphrase Bush, you’re either with U.S. or against U.S.)
This is likely our last chance to be able to speak out. When this election season is over, bank on HR955 and HR959 getting a big “bi-partisan” push through Congress. These are bills designed to prevent “homegrown terrorism” and “dangerous speech” from influencing Americans. The internet has been a thorn in the global elite’s side from the start, and following Ron Paul’s popular support scaring them, you can expect the U.S. to go the way of China, deciding who can and who cannot publish to the Internet.
These bills have been written in such a way as to make it easy for OUR government to abolish free speech by Americans who think their government is on the wrong path. Look it up, this is no “tin hat” story, it’s real as a heart attack. While you’re at it, seek out recent legislation that will take firearms away from veterans diagnosed with PTSD. Ask any veteran who has seen action and they’ll tell you that would include just about everyone.
So, go ahead and vote for those CFR candidates, comrades.
Eilers, I think you mean “clique.”
Wrong Jay. The CFR has everything to do with what you wrote. They are the iron fist, and America is in their grip. The Ron Paul “clique” just wants people to open their eyes and see.
Eilers, I’m not sure what you’re alluding to, but you come off sounding like just another American who is happy to be happy to be spoon-fed your opinions. When you actually visit ronpaul2008.com, read the material and let it sink in, and have actual arguments that work, please write me at jamoore@wcnet.org. No topic is off limits with this Paulite. I don’t claim to know everything, and Paul hasn’t claimed to be perfect although some of his supporters have. I’m not one of them, but I have no doubt he is the right message in spite of his personal flaws.
What Ron Paul stands for is a return to what Republican meant before the Bushes and the Clintons came to power. It really is that simple.
Thanks for the link, amigo. I’m sorry that we’re writing these posts, but as far as I’m concerned, McCain is the only real choice. It’s all about integrity and honesty and the ability to tell the hard truth regardless of its effect on you personally. McCain will do that and maybe Rudy, but never any of the others.
Whats more important to you? Not voting for McCain, or Paul, or anyone but Huckabee? You’d better figure out who your voting for if Thompson and Romney aren’t still in the game when your state votes. I’m not sure yet who I’ll vote for on Feb 5th, but I’m leaning towards Paul because I’m an active duty military officer with three tours in Iraq and I like what he says on foreign policy. (Why do we need to keep paying to keep troops in Japan and Germany anyway?)
I can live with McCain, because I respect him. Romney is completely full of sh#t and I have no idea what he really stands for. Giuliani and Thompson are 2 weeks from dropping out. Huckabee is by far the worst choice, he’s just a democrat who goes to church and calls himself republican for it.
To sum it up, I’ll vote for Paul or McCain, if any of the others get the nomination I’ll stay home at the general or even vote for the democrat. Maybe the republicans need to lose big to get themselves focused and organized again.
First to James: No, I’m not talking anything about the CFR and my post had nothing to do with it. Don’t tell me what I meant in my own post.
KT Cat: McCain has a history of stabbing conservatives in the back. I fear that history will repeat itself.
Randy: I already voted absentee for Florida. That vote went to Fred Thompson. The only other vote I have is whether I will vote against the Democrat, or sit out becuase the Republican is just as liberal.
Oh, and maybe losing big is the medicine conservatives need. If we can survive through a socialist regime like Hitlery.
I can understand what you say about McCain stabbing conservatives in the back. I used to think the same thing. Not any more.
I like the fact that he’s his own man. Given the kind of lousy performance by the Republicans when they had both the presidency and the congress, that’s not a bad thing at all.
My dream team would be Newt’s congress with Fred as president, but that’s not gonna happen. Until then, I want a president who doesn’t kiss Rush’s ring, doesn’t tell Michigan that 1972 is coming back and one that can work with both sides of the aisle to get things done.
He wasn’t my first choice, but he can kick any of the Dems in the general election and he’d nominate pro-life judges. He’d win the war, too. That’s a lot more good than bad.
Jay,
What brought me here was your tasteless remark about Paul for fuhrer. Uncalled for.
What made me think CFR was your statement about conservatives being fooled by Huckabee. Fair enough. Dig a little deeper and discover conservatives are about to be fooled by the rest of the pack as well. Except of course one man.
Check this out…
http://www.grassfire.org/27042/offer.asp?PID=
James, if you read carefully the words about Ron Paul were not mine, but Jeff Goldsteins. I quoted them. If you understand his sense of humor, you will know that it was not so much a literal insult, as a poke for fun. Regardless, that line is the least important part of the entire quote.
Jay, I apologize for attributing that quote to you. I was wrong.
As for it being a poke for fun, there is nothing funny about slander, and that little bit of so-called humor approaches it. The media has tried to bury this good candidate from the beginning, and bloggers have merrily went along trying to make it a pecking party, piling on at every opportunity with virtually no substance to back up their ridicule. I can laugh at lots of things, but this is kind of like cutting off a mans legs and then making amputee jokes. Not funny.
We haven’t had an election this depresssing since Franklin Delano Roosevelt. And he lasted for FOUR (count them) FOUR TERMS. The seeds of our destruction were planted during his incumbencies — the incipient socialism, the loss of personal responsibility, etc. And I fear Hillary will be worse.
Fred had two options now to aid his ally McCaine by pulling out of the race and backing him publically thus encouraging his supporters to support McCaine or to continue attacking Huckabee and thus decrease the laters support. I am interested to see which way he decides. Of course he can take a third unexpected corse.
Jeff Goldstein has a great plan for loosing the general election. Don’t vote and let the Democrats win who are even more opposed to his ideas than those he does not want to vote for. I hope he changes his mind but I do understand how demoralizing it is for your canidate to not meet your expectations.
Mr. Moore: Say what you will about Jeff Goldstein, you would be quite mistaken to say that he follows along with anything “the media” decides.
Oh, and I suspect Mr. Goldstein would be first in line to tell you it’s not slander but libel.
Or it would be except for the fact he’s dead on target. Again.
The last thing Ron Paul wants to do is run our lives. If Mr. Goldstein knew anything about the man, I could excuse him, but continuing to add to a media slur just because it’s fun I can’t excuse.
But, so what. I expect Paul to continue to gain in popularity as he has slowly but surely done in spite of the anti-Paul cheerleaders. If I’m wrong, so what. Odds are we’ll get a globalist CFR stooge regardless of what I think, since the odds are 8 to 1. It doesn’t change the way I’ll vote. I encourage everyone else to do the same, just hope they actually think and don’t swallow the media popularity pill blindly. I’ve held my nose and voted for the last two presidential elections, and I’m just hoping I won’t have to do it again.
Fred should stay in the race as long as he likes. The convention may well be brokered and he should arrive at that table with as many chips as possible. If he gets the VP nod, great.
I think the trunk’s chances are bleak at the moment, regardless of the nominee. As soon as the election is over, Fred should hit the chicken dinner circuit preaching the message every chance he gets. Because in ‘12 the Jimmy Carter of the 21st century will easily defeated by a distinct conservative message.