Anti-Terror Critics Just Don’t Get It
Posted on August 10, 2006
In a Guardian editorial by Alan Travis, Guardian’s Home Affairs Editor, Anti-Terror Critics Just Don’t Get It - Politicians, Judges, and Media ‘Put at Risk’, Travis quotes British Home Secretary John Reid of Britain (not Pundit “Dingy” Harry Reid of the US) who sums up left wing wacko-ism and Political Correctness.
After the terrorist bomb threat to British airlines was revealed yesterday, Travis reported how Home Secretary Reid spoke frankly to the British people.
Reid accused the (British) government’s anti-terror critics of putting national security at risk by their failure to recognize the serious nature of the threat facing Britain. “They just don’t get it,” he said.
“Sometimes we may have to modify some of our own freedoms in the short term in order to prevent their misuse and abuse by those who oppose our fundamental values and would destroy all of our freedoms in the modern world,” he said.
Mr Reid said Britain was now facing “probably the most sustained period of severe threat since the end of the second world war” and that the country was facing a new breed of ruthless “unconstrained international terrorists”. The European human rights convention had been drawn up 50 years ago to protect against fascist states but now the threat came from “fascist individuals” unconstrained by such conventions, agreements or standards.
Everyone across the political, media, judicial and public spectrum needed to understand the depth and magnitude of the threat.
For the rest of the story, please go to UK Guardian, Anti-Terror Critics Just Don’t Get It - Politicians, Judges, and Media ‘Put at Risk’
The Bosun sincerely believes just like the naive, liberals, socialists and leftists of the Brit’s society put them at risk; the naive, liberals, socialists, and leftists of American Society put America at risk.
One should think that Jack Murtha, Dean, Pelosi, Clinton, Kerry, (our “Dingy” Harry) Reid, McDermott, Feingold, and other left wingers better get with the program, because if they do not, the Islamofacist Caliphate will spread to the North America, too. The battle lines have been drawn, do we have the guts to get the job done?
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Once again you are confusing the war in Iraq with the war on terror. You can keep repeating Karl Rove’s talking points all you want but it doesn’t make them true.
Prior to our invasion, there were no islamic terrorists operating in Iraq. If Saddam were to give any WMD’s to Bin Laden, they were more likely to be used on Baghdad than Boston.
None of the Senators or Congressmen you listed have ever argued against fighting terrorism, they just disagree on the best way to go about it. You don’t see anyone calling for our withdrawl from Afghanistan, do you?
camanintx,
You got it confused. It was not my talking points. This came right from the British. John Reid is the Home Secretary, or perhaps you do not know who he is.
But I guess your left wing mind did not pick that up. I realize you just got up. Go back to bed for a few hours, smoke a joint, or something. Surely you are not going to do anything to expand your mind.
I would like to expand on my points of view, the war on islamofacism has many facets, including Iraq. We are battling Iranian Shia influence along with al-Qaeda elements. al-Qaeda was in Iraq before the invasion. You may want to read some of the newly translated documents that are being released. Again, your left wing mind will probably say it was all President Bush’s fault. This battle with Islamofacism started long before President Bush thought about running for President.
I think you may want to do some research on the issue before you cement your mind to the lefti point of view. I was a liberal once, but, discovered that there is really a Gestalt effect on world politics and foreign relations. I do not appreciate being called a Rowe koolaide drinker.
My politics may surprise you sometimes as it does my liberal leaning friends.
camanintx,
One more thing, sounds to me that you got your talking points from the Daily Kos. The koskids are running a conspiracy theory that this whole airline threat was concocted by President Bush to muddy the waters.
Source: The Daily Kos
Talk about a bunch of dense minds,
“Prior to our invasion, there were no islamic terrorists operating in Iraq.”
What an ill-informed statement.
CFR analysis:
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9513/
More:
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6075
Abu Musab Zarqawi was welcomed in Iraq before the invasion, as were countless other “foreign fighters”:
http://www.nationalreview.com/smitht/smith200409100700.asp
Saddam hosted terrorist summer camps for thousands:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp
Saddam was cutting checks to suicide bombers’ families:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/03/world/main505316.shtml
Abu Nidal ring a bell?
…and there’s so much more. If you are at odds with any or all of aspects of the Iraq War, at least base your arguments on truth and facts. You’ll be far more respected.
I apologize for the hyperbole in my previous post. The point I was trying to make is that Iraq is far more hospitable to terrorists today than is was in 2001. If this is Bush’s idea of winning the war on terror, then we could definitely use a change in leadership.
…well we’ll get one in Jan. 2009.
In the interim c-tx, what do you propose? Since you have closely analyzed the situation and are willing to throw criticism around so freely, what are your ideas? I have not heard ONE idea from Left on how to IMPROVE our response…just Bush this, Bush that.
Empty rhetoric like “we need to build alliances with our allies,” or “we need to regain the good will we had in the wake of 9/11,” “we need to address the root causes…” and other nothingness like this does not count. Give me hard, implementable ideas.
Since I am just another member of Joe Public and don’t have all of the intellegence reports they do in Washington, it is not for me to propose policy. All I can do is watch and listen to our leaders and vote for who I think could do the best job.
After three years “stay the course”, we’ve seen Iraq morph from the successful overthrow of Hussein to a hotbed of foreign terrorists, then to a recalcitrant insurgency, and now a budding sectarian civil war. Since Bush doesn’t see fit to make any changes in the way he’s prosecuting this war, my only option is to support the opposition party.
As for the constant whining from the right that Democrats are “anti-terror”, I still haven’t seen any proof of this.
Glib,
I concur with your synopsis of Iraq.
camanintx,
You have the ability to access open source information regarding terrorism and study. I was once like you, I once though that things were going to be OK. Don’t think that things will be hunky dori now.
If you would like to see the free world get through the difficult times ahead, you better open you eyes, ears, and mind. Gestalt works. You have to step back and look at various views.
R/
Bosun
cam-tx:
So you’d rather Iraq not be a ‘hotbed of foreign terrorists’, where would you prefer to be ‘a hotbed of foreign terrorists’- New York, Chicago or L.A.?
Good point D-32. C-tx — what do you suppose the “foreign fighters” in Iraq would be doing if not killing in Iraq?
I can’t believe that there are people who are willing to comment in a public forum, yet when asked for an idea, just one, can’t produce. This is why I am confident for the future of this country — the intellectual heft and the vigorous idea-exchange necessary for a healthy society is on the Right side of the debate. There is much wider range of real ideas over here…if you’d like some intro reading suggestions that demonstrate this truth c-tx, I’d be happy to make some suggestions.
Bosun,
First you claimed that Democrats are soft on terror because they are critical of the war in Iraq. When I question this assumption, you said I am confused and that I am not seeing the big picture. You then state that we are in Iraq “battling Iranian Shia influence” which is strange since Saddam’s government was in no way pro-Iranian. One of the main reasons I don’t trust this administration is that they can’t seem to settle on a clear objective. First it was WMD’s, then it was promoting democracy, now it is to bring peace and stability to Iraq. As soon as one excuse falls apart, they just roll out another one. This doesn’t sound like a winning strategy.
You then dredge up a comment from Daily Kos trying to paint Democrats as conspiracy nuts. You should be careful using such a broad brush, there are nuts on both sides of the fence. You wouldn’t say that all Republicans are fasists because of these comments would you?
c-tx–
What about those comments on FPM are facsistic? The POSTS and comments on Kos and others that I document in a more recent post on this site are from “trusted” Leftist websites and cannot be called anything but demented, conspiratorial and hate-America. How do you compare?
Glib,
You’re right, there is no comparison. The left just suspect Rove and company of using this terror plot for political gain which we all know is within the realm of possibility. The right advocates trashing the Constitution if they don’t retain control of Congress. What was I thinking?
OK, so you can’t take a joke…I get it. Of course what OD wrote is distasteful (and I think as a former frequent contributor at FPM that OD was either hyperbolizing or has had his tag co-opted), but you miss the real.
That aside, if you perceive the comment by OD on FPM to be serious, you think a single post from a single reader on a single website is the same thing as conspiracy theories being seriously discussed across a wide swath of “respected” leftist commentary outlets. There is no comparison.
Anyway, read my more recent post about the “timing” of this “conspiracy.”
camanintx,
Your the one who is bringing everything up. I am not sure how comments on FPM got here. Don’t think that Mr. Reid was talking about it. I surely was not.
The left and the press are weak on security> NY Times and LA Times leak security information (apparently the same type of security measures the Brits used to round up the Jihadists but the left and your ACLU fights against here.) They (the two lefti newspapers of record then cry foul about the Republicans manipulating the release of the bomb plot in Britian. And, the yahoos from the left wing party put roadblocks up in America for security matters. For crying out loud, just to get an extension on the Patriot Act through took much time and red tape.
Back to my original article and comments at the end,
DAILY KOS WEBSITE: “Genuine plot, or is it the Bush admin dictating yet another ‘Oh wow, this is serious’…”
Air America host blames Blair, Bush for taking “vacations” that “seem to trigger plots”…
NBC REPORTER: “How long ago did they know of this and why are we just hearing about it right now?”… (I could not pass up the NBC liberal network blast.)
I stand by what I said. All your fluff and chaff that you throw out does not seem to dispute the basics.
Certain individuals seem ignorant of what is going on in the world. In Iraq you have the Al Sadir band of Shiites killing Sunnis and the Baath party Sunnis killing Shiites. The Shiites are funded by our friends in Iran while the Sunnis are funded by our friends in Syria. These two powers are also backing the Hezbollah who instigated war with Isreal. At the Same time Christians and Pagans are being wiped out by Muslims in Sudan. In Somalia the Islamic Courts have triumphed and the U.N. government was threatened. Europe has found itself with a fair share of it’s population being Muslim who’s main loyalty is to Islam. Russia and other countries are also fighting their Islamic terrorist elements. China seems to keep theirs in check but I suspect theirs is of a different sect than either Sunni or Shiite. In short the War on Terror is a world war that is fought as much in the political arena as it is anywhere else.
For reasons I do not understand the Left supports the terrorist. I say this because I do not believe the left is so foolish that they do not see the threat.
Kerwin,
Bravo. You said it all. Have a good Sunday, and a great new week.
R/ Bosun