The Gun Toting Liberal
Posted on January 28, 2006
The Gun Toting Liberal, one of my favorite liberals, is back and has some thoughts on HAMAS. While there have been many times that I have found myself in agreement with this “liberal”, I do not agree with his thoughts on this one. But I do want to welcome him back.
You see GTL, while GWB has stated that we support democratic countries, I think it is pretty oportunistic for you to take a position suggesting that this would apply to HAMAS. Furthermore, it is a dangerous position to adopt that we should support them. They are a terrorist organization, and take note that GWB has also stated that America will not fund any organization that promotes terror. If using common sense is not enough to convince people like Jimmy Carter that funding the Palestinians would not go to feed the poor people there instead of building an arsenal to “wipe Israel off the face of the map”, then take note of their own words.
HAMAS says it will not change. They have also stated today, that they would like to merge their terrorist into a single Palestianian army.
But the leader, Khaled Meshal, also said Hamas would not “submit to pressure to recognize Israel, because the occupation is illegitimate and we will not abandon our rights,” nor would it disarm, but would work to create a unified Palestinian army.
But the leader, Khaled Meshal, also said Hamas would not “submit to pressure to recognize Israel, because the occupation is illegitimate and we will not abandon our rights,” nor would it disarm, but would work to create a unified Palestinian army.
Your comparison of the U.S. using the nuclear bomb in WWII to an organization founded on the purpose of destroying Israel, is completely unfair and not an accurate analogy. I think your idea of supporting this government just because it was an elected one is dangerous, and foolish.
I’m glad your back GTL, but I would strongly urge you to re-think your position on this one.
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Jay, my friend… it’s great to be back, Sir!
First off; I never said we should SUPPORT Hamas. I just think we’re in grave danger of proving ourselves to be hyppocrites now that they’ve laid down their arms and have agreed to follow the democratic political process, and have won their democratic elections. We keep selling democracy, and I include myself in the “We” by the way; now let’s see if it proves to be the “be all, end all” of political structures as WE have always promised the world it is.
Did we “appease” Hans Schroeder? Did we “appease” the dood from France? We OPPOSED them, but not militarily if I recall correctly. Please do not take my article to mean I believe we all need to sit around the table smoking hookas with FORMER (until they strike again, they ARE “former”) terrorists? NO. We can still be firm and resolute while STILL supporting the will of the (Palistinian) people… and we SHOULD.
As always my friend, it is an honor to grace your radar screen. You and your readers should be proud for standing up for what you believe. I may not always agree with you, but I’m proud of you for having some serious gonies.
Blog ON, brother…
You usually have well thought out posts that I have found either agreeable or that actually made me think. I don’t think your post on this topic is fully thought out. It really came across to me as half baked, and I don’t think it was that heart felt of an opinion.
I don’t know who said a democratically elected country should be respected despite how evil they are, and if that was GWB, then I disagree with him. We know that the people of Germany believed in Hitler’s message, and what about that 100% vote for Saddam? Evil is evil, and if it is elected in landslide, it speaks volumes of the mentality of the people.
Don’t start with comparing Bush, or even a far left defeatocrat, because as much as I can’t stand far left liberals…they pale in comparison by far to people who kill innocent people.
Maybe it came off wrong, but what I was trying to convey was OPTIMISM. Cautious optimism of course, but OPTIMISM just the same, bro.
I have faith in democracy, and I will NOT let Hamas destroy that faith by simply winning an election. They’ve got their chance, now let’s pray and hope they’ll be statesmen about it and do the right thing.
As hard as it is, I wish them luck and I pray they’ll do the right thing now that they’ve won. They’ve campaigned, then WON. That is exactly the way we do it here, even though we often live to regret our choices.
They haven’t, nor do they have any intention of ever laying down their arms.
While I agree with Jay on this, I can see where GTL is coming from. I pray nightly believe it or not for the Palestinians, but as a Bible student, I already know where the country is headed. Optimism never killed anyone however, as long as that optimism is not allowed to cloud common sense. I agree with Jay that just because a country claims democracy does not mean they are not a threat. Iraq could just as easily continue to be a threat to the world as a democracy as it was under Saddam.
“now let’s pray and hope they’ll be statesmen about it and do the right thing.”
Keep praying.
Hamas will carry out its mission part of which is the destruction of Israel.
You are correct, they have won a democratic election and so I say…let them keep it. The US does not have to deal with them or any countries that have diplomatic relations with them.
As long as they stay in Paelstine…who cares what they do.
They first attack they make on Israel is one government attacking another and therefore a declaration or war. Israel can respond as any other nation would when attacked by another country.
I only hope that if this ever happens, Israel puts an end to them once and for all.
That’s how you fight a war.
Hamas is the Democratic elected government of Palestinian state. That we must accept and respect if we do not want to be hypocrites. We do not have to fund them or help them. We have no obligation to fund any government. Foreign aid is not an obligation of our government. It should only be doled out to entities who support us, not our enemies or the enemies of our allies.
America owes foreign aid to no country. Like anything else, it should be earned; through friendship and alliance.