Democracy Be Damned; The ACLU Will Have No Crosses
Posted on November 6, 2005
In yet another diplay of disdain for a government for the people, and by the people, the ACLU state that they know whats better.
REDLANDS – Voters decide next week if the “City of Churches” should restore the cross to the Redlands seal. When the American Civil Liberties Union threatened a costly lawsuit last year if the cross wasn’t eliminated, officials decided the cross must be erased from the city logo. Many residents were outraged and voters will now decide Tuesday if the religious symbol will return.
If Measure Q wins, the ACLU will likely go to court.
“This is the first time this has happened, to my knowledge,” said ACLU attorney Peter Eliasberg, who tracks crosses on seals statewide. He said it is “highly likely” a lawsuit would be filed against the city if it reinstates the cross.
Seriously, this is the guy? Peter Eliasberg is the Nationwide cross tracker? I mean for real? The ACLU really has one of those?
“The cross is clearly unconstitutional,” Eliasberg said. “It sends a message of favor for one religion over others.”
Last year, the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors voted to take a cross off the county’s seal under threat of a lawsuit by the ACLU.
Scott Siegel, who led the drive to put Measure Q on Tuesday’s ballot, resents that the ACLU forced the city into removing the cross from the city seal.
“What happens in this type of situation is that the ACLU threatens to sue, then the city capitulates on a cost basis, and the case is never decided on its legal merits,” he said. “The ACLU is telling us that it’s a foregone conclusion that we’re going to lose if a suit is filed. That’s just a ridiculous statement.”
Ridiculous indeed, but thats the ACLU for you. What the people want has no sway with this organization. Why would it? It might be suprising if they were founded on democracy instead of Communism. It is good to see this town has decided not to cower before the ACLU’s threatening methods to further its secular cleansing of America. Now, if I could only find hope in our judicial system.
Thank you, Michelle Malkin for the link. Michelle provides some more background information on this.
Angry in the Great White North has found more crosses for the ACLU to eliminate.
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The Los Angeles thing is what kills me the most.
What the hell do these idiots think “Los Angeles” means? It ain’t a reference to “Lost Anglos” (although there are lots of those there!).
John - not much time - gotta run, but could this be a “trojan cross” for the aclu? People “voting” for the cross will be seen as “imposing/instituting”..this could get smelly via SCOTUS….couldn’t it?
No telling how SCOTUS would interpret something like this, but the true imposing is coming from the ACLU.
Jay, the ACLU has more than just a nationwide “cross-tracker.” They have a whole bevy of lawyers that watch conflics in each state, picking the ones that the ACLU feels they need to butt in on.
Likely, they’ll use a very similar argument to the one they used against the Nebraska Same Sex Marriage Amendment: the democratic voting system does not give the minority viewpoint a chance to win.
You think I kid.
No, I know you don’t kid. I knew they tracked this kind of stuff, but I’d never seen it in a publication.
The ACLU seeks to undermine the very foundation of our nation.
One must ask what is the long-term agenda, for surely this persistent tactical approach cannot be without one?
Divide and conquer. By robbing a country of faith and national pride, what remains is vulnerable and weak.
See Paris burning.
“Democracy Be Damned; The ACLU Will Have No Crosses”
Huh? You write as if a vote should overtake the Constituion. *IF* the display is unconstituional, then democracy cannot and should not overcome that fact. I also wonder why it’s so critical for some people to erect a cross in public areas. Why is it so compelling for them to want to have it? They act as if it’s a religion or something.
Would a “crescent of embrace” be acceptable on a city seal?
Anti Christ Litigation Unit
ACLU has in the past won cases in Federal Court regarding the placement of religious symbols on government property. It’s that “Constitutional” thing with the amendments and all. However, most particular items would go unchallenged by the ACLU unless there is a specific complaint.
The ACLU does swing both ways.
Recent ACLU involvement in religious liberty cases include:
September 20, 2005: ACLU of New Jersey joins lawsuit supporting second-grader’s right to sing “Awesome God” at a talent show.
August 4, 2005: ACLU helps free a New Mexico street preacher from prison.
May 25, 2005: ACLU sues Wisconsin prison on behalf of a Muslim woman who was forced to remove her headscarf in front of male guards and prisoners.
February 2005: ACLU of Pennsylvania successfully defends the right of an African American Evangelical church to occupy a church building purchased in a predominantly white parish.
December 22, 2004: ACLU of New Jersey successfully defends right of religious expression by jurors.
December 14, 2004: ACLU joins Pennsylvania parents in filing first-ever challenge to “Intelligent Design” instruction in public schools.
November 20, 2004: ACLU of Nevada supports free speech rights of evangelists to preach on the sidewalks of the strip in Las Vegas.
November 12, 2004: ACLU of Georgia files a lawsuit on behalf of parents challenging evolution disclaimers in science textbooks.
November 9, 2004: ACLU of Nevada defends a Mormon student who was suspended after wearing a T-shirt with a religious message to school.
August 11, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska defends church facing eviction by the city of Lincoln.
July 10, 2004: Indiana Civil Liberties Union defends the rights of a Baptist minister to preach his message on public streets.
June 9, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska files a lawsuit on behalf of a Muslim woman barred from a public pool because she refused to wear a swimsuit.
June 3, 2004: Under pressure from the ACLU of Virginia, officials agree not to prohibit baptisms on public property in Falmouth Waterside Park in Stafford County.
May 11, 2004: After ACLU of Michigan intervened on behalf of a Christian Valedictorian, a public high school agrees to stop censoring religious yearbook entries.
March 25, 2004: ACLU of Washington defends an Evangelical minister’s right to preach on sidewalks.
February 21, 2003: ACLU of Massachusetts defends students punished for distributing candy canes with religious messages.
October 28, 2002: ACLU of Pennsylvania files discrimination lawsuit over denial of zoning permit for African American Baptist church.
July 11, 2002: ACLU supports right of Iowa students to distribute Christian literature at school.
April 17, 2002: In a victory for the Rev. Jerry Falwell and the ACLU of Virginia, a federal judge strikes down a provision of the Virginia Constitution that bans religious organizations from incorporating.
January 18, 2002: ACLU defends Christian church’s right to run “anti-Santa” ads in Boston subways.
The ACLU should sue Turkey for the Cresent and star. They stole it from the city and realm of Constantinople, and that symbol, going back to pagan reverence for Diana/Artemis and the star for Virgin Mary should be returned to Christians.
I notice that several of their lawsuits were started by the ACLJ, they only joined in because they knew the ACLJ would win, and they thought they could get some positive publicity that they do not deserve. I see that you listed that they are against intelligent design and that is definitely against christianity.
Funny. It’s as if Ghost Dansing never posted his list of cases where the ACLU took the side of the relgious. Hey Dansing, you’re getting in the way of ACLU opponents’ dogma. Stick with the program.
This has gotten so crazy. I am the furthest thing in the world from a
Christian and yet find the ACLU to be completely out of line.
I saw a good title assigned to this individual over at The Scriptorium.
They called him the “Cross Contention Coordinator” or CCC for short.
“Cross Contention Coordinator” or CCC for short.”
How appropriate!
(Mat 5:29) And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
(Mat 5:30) And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
The “Right” is an offense to God. You will be plucked out, cut off and cast back into Hell from whence you came!
what is wrong with the world what happen to love everything is just money and lust lately it is sick and dis hearting there will be know one EVER TO TELL ME THAT I CAN HAVE A CROSS ever DO NOT TRY AND PUSH YOUR BELIEFS ON ME I DON’T PUSH MINE ON YOU