ACLU of Ohio Refuses Funds From United Way
Posted on August 9, 2005
In an earlier post I pointed out how the ACLU refused contributions from organizations that were concerned about their money knowingly going to the cause of terrorism.
In October of 2004, the ACLU turned down $1.15 million in funding from two of it’s most generous and loyal contributors, the Ford and Rockefeller foundations, saying new anti-terrorism restrictions demanded by the institutions make it unable to accept their funds.
“The Ford Foundation now bars recipients of its funds from engaging in any activity that “promotes violence, terrorism, bigotry, or the destruction of any state.”
The Rockefeller Foundation’s provisions state that recipients of its funds may not “directly or indirectly engage in, promote, or support other organizations or individuals who engage in or promote terrorist activity.”
Well it looks like the ACLU of Ohio has added another organization to the list.
CLEVELAND (AP) — The American Civil Liberties Union of Ohio said today it will no longer accept funding from the United Way so as not to complete a required counterterrorism compliance form.
At issue is a counterterrorism form the ACLU believes can be intrusive on individual liberties. The form requires agencies to comply with the U.S. Patriot Act by assuring they are not involved with anyone on a federal terrorism watch list.Source
I’m sure it won’t take long for the National ACLU to follow suit on these principles. Who’s side is the ACLU on? For all their talk about protecting liberty, they sure play dangerously with it. They oppose the terrorist watch list, and just about every other means our government tries to use to protect us from terror. I think the freedom the ACLU advocates must be more closely related to the kind of freedom one would find in anarchy rather than democracy. Its past time for America to stand up against this enemy within.
Thank you Mudville Gazette and Outside The Beltway
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Let it go national - the more the ACLU does that leaves questions in peoples minds, the better.
Someday the FBI will probably disclose it all for them - whether they like it or not.
I hope more organizations follow suit , then when the well dries up maybe they will too … still sounds like wishful thinking though ….but can become reality … hopefully ..
They have a pretty hefty account when they can turn down millions rather than state that they do not support terrorists…I wonder why they would do that?
August 9, 2005
ACLU Rejects United Way Funding,
Cites Concerns for Due Process, Free Speech
CLEVELAND— The ACLU of Ohio announced today that it would no longer accept funding from the United Way amid concerns that the organization would be forced to monitor whether its employees were placed on government terror watch lists.
“These lists have been shown to be inaccurate and unreliable and they provide no means for those who are on the lists to correct or defend themselves from inaccuracies,” said Christine Link, ACLU of Ohio Executive Director. “Innocent lives can be ruined based on their inclusion on these vague and inaccurate government-sponsored lists.”
The ACLU also raised concerns that identifying terror suspects should not be a task for individual private organizations, but should instead be a duty of trained law enforcement officials using individualized, substantiated evidence.
In addition, Link also noted that these lists pose a grave threat to First Amendment rights of free speech and association for those who have not been convicted or charged with any crime. Link said, “Forcing non-profit organizations to use these large, ambiguous and inaccurate lists threatens the rights of many, but does nothing to provide better guards against terrorism and goes against the very principles of a free and open society.”
Essentially, the same goes for the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations.
That’s incredibly silly logic from the ACLU. The United Way is not a government agency. It was not forcing the ACLU to do anything.
The ACLU complains that identifying terrorsts should not be a task for private organizations — and it’s not! No one asked them to identify terrorists, they just asked them to use the government list to not associate with terrorists!
I still wonder if the ACLU opposes conforming to these lists because they cannot — because they already intentionally support known terrorists and they don’t want anyone else to know.
And the Bulldog has arrived….
Cl, you are missing the entire point again. Like that should be any surprise.
Now, before you respond to me, check out some information, written by others on this exact subject.
http://www.wvec.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D8BSJA7G0.html
http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=39077 (and Channel 3 is about the most liberal broadcast news organization in Northern Ohio. In case you doubt me, I live here.)
http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/localnews/daily/0810unitedway.html
It seems to me that all 3 articles posted on the internet by independent news agencies all have a common thread, the counterterrorism provisions in the Patriot Act.
It is my belief that all of that crap they were shoveling trying to get the Patriot Act to not be renewed was just a cover story to protect potential financial sources. They saw this conflict of interest coming and feared the loss of revanue.
Obviously, they cannot disclose their anti-American pro-terrorist activities on a form which will be seen by federal regulators. So naturally, they had to decline the funding. And your simple mind read something into it that isn’t true. Typical.
Again, stick to what you know, which isn’t much.
Gribbit, I’ll respond to your arrogant ignorance and I read the above news article and I still draft the same conclusion. You are the liberal reading into this story.
“At issue, Link said, is a counterterrorism form the ACLU believes can be intrusive on individual liberties,” By M.R. KROPKO / Associated Press.
Now how exactly is the money given by these organizations knowingly going to the cause of terrorism? The ACLU is doing its job to protect us from the government, which on almost a daily basis strips us of our civil liberties. I didn’t miss the point. There is no evidence that the ACLU supports terrorism, this is an insinuation on your part. However, I will not disagree that our civil liberties share a common line with terrorists, but to say anything other than that is wrong.
The ACLU is a terrorist supporting organization. And if you support them, then you are a terrorist supporter yourself. There is nothing that you have said in any of the comments that you have left here that has been critical of anything that they have done. Which begs the question why?
Well I’ve come to a conclusion, either you are a total fool, or you are in bed with them. In bed as in a Communist who is hell bent on the distruction of the country that I love and pledged my life to at one time.
Either way, you are a POS and need to be dropped from commenting here. Your pro-ACLU anti-American arguments hold no water. You call me ignorant, if anyone has shown ignorance here it is you fool. Do yourself a favor, go away.
Gribbit, you really need to step of your horse because you have yet to prove your superiority over anyone, especially me. You’re blinded by your prejudices.
Here is another discussion on the ACLU:
http://politicalwire.com/cloakroom/comments.php?DiscussionID=46&page=1
You are blinded by your loyalites. You are a leftie terrorist loving aclu dupe.
You need to learn how to read CL. Because the evidence is there. We have covered it time and time again. Jay has done a history of the ACLU, I’ve done one and so have many others. And the same things keep coming up. The ACLU has been on the wrong side since 1920.
Don’t fall pray to their misuse of the words Civil Liberties. What am I saying you are a die hard DUPE
“It was not forcing the ACLU to do anything.”
Actually it was, as a condition of funding.
Fark! What an idiotic statement. Of course it wasn’t forced, they refused it.
They obviously didn’t want their money going towards terrorism, and the ACLU had a problem with this.
Yes, I am blinded by my loyalty. My loyalty to the Constitution of the U.S. and for what it represents. Don’t accuse me of being a liberal when I read into things because that is exactly what you are doing here.
Don’t accuse me of being a terrorist because if staying true to the Constitution is being a terrorist, then this country needs some serious help.
Don’t accuse me of being a communist because time and time again, I’m not opposed to a society with classes and I want to own my own things.
Now that I’ve again proven my point, what name do you want to throw out at me?
The ACLU refused the funding because of what I commented above and like I said before, interpreting it any other way is reading into it.
If the ACLU is a terrorist organization because they uphold the Constitution, they what are you tearing the Constitution apart? Subject to treason? We have the rights we cherish because of the Constitution. If you continually give up these rights, eventually there will be no rights.
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” -Benjamin Franklin 1759
If you give up your rights for safety, then there is no freedom. You are now living in a dictatorship as you merely allow the government to tell you what is needed regardless of the Constitution or established laws.
“Fark! What an idiotic statement. Of course it wasn’t forced, they refused it.”
It would have been forced if it was accepted. Its not forced by it being refused. And your problem is that they shouldn’t have refused because it wasn’t forced?
I was just merely pointing out that you were wrong, nothing is forced when there are other viable options. There was no gun pointed to the ACLU.
The point is that for some reason the ACLU refuses money from people who are concerned it might be used to help terrorists, and I find that suspicious.
They may be standing on their principles, but they sure do play with liberty dangerously.
“The point is that for some reason the ACLU refuses money from people who are concerned it might be used to help terrorists, and I find that suspicious.”
People declared terrorists or put on watch lists, who the ACLU might represent. Makes perfect sense to me that someone who fights against unreasonable watch lists refuses conditions which prevent them from representing people on those watch lists.
Then you are backing the wrong horse moron
Thanks a lot for the information. Before I was against the United Way for giving part of their money to the crooked Red Cross. Now I know I will never again donate (which I have not for over 30 years because of what the Red Cross did to me.) because of them even thinking about giving to the sorry scum bags at the ACLU.
I think your ACLosers and Victory For Free Speech post shows that some of America is starting to stand up against the Anti-Christ Legions United.
God Bless America, God Save The Republic
Don’t fall pray to their misuse of the words Civil Liberties.
And don’t fall prey to Gribbit’s misuse of the word pray!
Quote: “The ACLU is doing its job to protect us from the government, which on almost a daily basis strips us of our civil liberties. I didn’t miss the point. There is no evidence that the ACLU supports terrorism, this is an insinuation on your part.” End Quote.
As soon as I stop laughing at the idiocy of this post I’ll make a reply.
OK…
Sentence 1: WRONG! Its the ACLU who continually strips us of our Civil Liberties on a daily basis. Why do you think a mother cannot repremand their child, why do you think a person cannot say a prayer before their sons ball game, why do you think the police cannot do their jobs effectively, why do you think it takes a [edited] act of congress to buy and carry a firearm these days, why do you think the moral fabric of this country is dissapearing rapidly, why do you think crime is rampant, to name only a few. You think these things just happened out of thin [edited] air?
Sentence 2: Yes you DID! Completely and totally.
Sentence 3: WRONG Again! There are reams of evidence that proves that this organization was formed by Communists, and its actions follow Communists modus operandi. This includes supporting terrorisim and terrorists, and opposing every measure put into place or proposed that would serve to protect the people of this country from harm, and allow authorities to do their job effectively. It is far from an insinuation, its is a documented FACT. This would be known and understood if someone did one ounce of frigging honest open minded research instead of being a gullable Liberal [edited].
God forbid they can’t support terrorists!
That’s a civil right. Right?
Great post.
Enlightening post and commentary. These foundations, like Ford, were funded by champions of the free enterprise system, but are now controlled by champions of socialism. Sickening. And I was disappointed to hear that a supposedly legit charity like UW would even try to give to the ACLU. But, if we keep these misguided donors’ feet to the fire, the terrorist-sympathizing ACLU could take a big hit in the pocketbook.
“Then you are backing the wrong horse moron”
Watch lists are the wrong horse, sure.
“Why do you think a mother cannot repremand their child”
That’s not illegal. The ACLU has never taken a case on that.
“why do you think a person cannot say a prayer before their sons ball game”
That’s not true. You can say a prayer wherever you want. What the ACLU challenges is an OFFICIAL pre-game prayer session where everyone gives thanks to God. You can pray before a game all you want. In fact, you and all the people who want to pray can do so right at the field, it just can’t be officiated by the league unless it’s some kind of religious league and not a state or recreation dept league that’s funded by taxpayer money.
“why do you think the police cannot do their jobs effectively”
Yes, civil rights are tricky for law enforcement. Life would be much easier for them if they could just randomly search and question everyone in the name of “keeping us safe.” But, then, that would mean we lived in a police/nanny state where “good old government” watched over all of us to make sure we “did the right thing.” I dunno, sounds a lot like Cuba to me. Law enforcement is a tough job, and perhaps the ACLU makes it seem tougher. But that’s because our law enforcement always wants more power to do their job: I’m sorry, but we can’t give them everything they want — there has to be a line. That line is our basic rights outlined in our constitution.
“why do you think it takes a [edited] act of congress to buy and carry a firearm these days”
That’s a gross exageration. It’s easier to get a gun in America than in virtually any other country in the world. Not only that, it’s easier to get any kind of gun here. So much so that there are people who buy guns here to export to other parts of the world to arm their soldiers (I’m not kidding). I don’t think guns cause crimes, and if you look at the ACLU, they don’t either. There’s this whole orgination called the NRA that does that just fine.
“why do you think the moral fabric of this country is dissapearing rapidly”
I guess that’s a qualitative judgements that can’t really be debated. I mean, maybe the reason you feel that is because communication is so much stronger that you can actually see and hear what people are doing elsewher (and they were doing it before, but now you can really know about it). Just a thought.
“why do you think crime is rampant”
Crime isn’t rampant. It’s fallen by record rates in the past 10 years. Crime is lower than it was in the late 1950s and early 1960s. Please look up the numbers.
Very nice blog.