Comments on: Smack Down of Obama Administration on KSM Trial Decision http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/11/13/smack-down-of-obama-administration-on-ksm-trial-decision/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:01:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Role of ACLU Decisive in Moving KSM Trial to New York | Right Wing News http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/11/13/smack-down-of-obama-administration-on-ksm-trial-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-130282 Role of ACLU Decisive in Moving KSM Trial to New York | Right Wing News Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:55:14 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=29675#comment-130282 [...] controversial one. In my opinion, it was also the stupidest one. The decision has rightly received plenty of criticism, but what has not been talked about is the months of lobbying behind closed doors that made this [...] [...] controversial one. In my opinion, it was also the stupidest one. The decision has rightly received plenty of criticism, but what has not been talked about is the months of lobbying behind closed doors that made this [...]

]]> By: Role of ACLU Decisive in Moving KSM Trial to New York : Stop The ACLU http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/11/13/smack-down-of-obama-administration-on-ksm-trial-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-130273 Role of ACLU Decisive in Moving KSM Trial to New York : Stop The ACLU Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:57:50 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=29675#comment-130273 [...] controversial one. In my opinion, it was also the stupidest one. The decision has rightly received plenty of criticism, but what has not been talked about is the months of lobbying behind closed doors that made this [...] [...] controversial one. In my opinion, it was also the stupidest one. The decision has rightly received plenty of criticism, but what has not been talked about is the months of lobbying behind closed doors that made this [...]

]]> By: ACLU Instrumental in Bringing 9/11 Trials to New York « Palmetto Conservative http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/11/13/smack-down-of-obama-administration-on-ksm-trial-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-129783 ACLU Instrumental in Bringing 9/11 Trials to New York « Palmetto Conservative Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:24:40 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=29675#comment-129783 [...] controversial one. In my opinion, it was also the stupidest one. The decision has rightly received plenty of criticism, but what has not been talked about is the months of lobbying behind closed doors that made this [...] [...] controversial one. In my opinion, it was also the stupidest one. The decision has rightly received plenty of criticism, but what has not been talked about is the months of lobbying behind closed doors that made this [...]

]]> By: Pajamas Media » Role of ACLU Decisive in Moving KSM Trial to New York http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/11/13/smack-down-of-obama-administration-on-ksm-trial-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-129743 Pajamas Media » Role of ACLU Decisive in Moving KSM Trial to New York Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:25:48 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=29675#comment-129743 [...] controversial one. In my opinion, it was also the stupidest one. The decision has rightly received plenty of criticism, but what has not been talked about is the months of lobbying behind closed doors that made this [...] [...] controversial one. In my opinion, it was also the stupidest one. The decision has rightly received plenty of criticism, but what has not been talked about is the months of lobbying behind closed doors that made this [...]

]]> By: Tusec http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/11/13/smack-down-of-obama-administration-on-ksm-trial-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-129667 Tusec Sun, 15 Nov 2009 06:47:06 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=29675#comment-129667 The truths are self-evident (not that any leftist really believes them) but not everyone in the world is a US citizen. Even more to the point, some people are unlawful combatants who are afforded only minimal rights according to international convention. And wouldn't it be kind of perverse if the surest way to being granted the full Constitution protection were to commit a terrorist act against American citizens? To the other leftist poster -- what is at risk here is precisely that we have another OJ. It's the same legal system. If we get a leftist judge and a leftist jury and a skillful leftist defense team, who knows what the outcome might be. Make no mistake, your comrades on the defense will be working hard to find any technicality that undermines the case against KSM -- and there will probably be many such technicalities given that he was not read his Miranda rights, and was waterboarded for information, and that the evidence against him was not collected with tweezers and placed in little ziplock bags. Your leftist friends will have a field day trying to decide which argument would be best for springing KSM loose. If you guys really wanna git tuff with the terrorists, the best thing is to put them before a military tribunal. Then the justice you pretend to crave would be swift and sure. Besides, Obama and the Democrats revamped the procedures to make sure the tribunals are as fair as possible. Sure it would be military courts doing the deed, but you patriotic leftwingers have full confidence in our military folks to do the job right, right? Because you guys really love the military, right? Yeah, right. The truths are self-evident (not that any leftist really believes them) but not everyone in the world is a US citizen. Even more to the point, some people are unlawful combatants who are afforded only minimal rights according to international convention. And wouldn’t it be kind of perverse if the surest way to being granted the full Constitution protection were to commit a terrorist act against American citizens?

To the other leftist poster — what is at risk here is precisely that we have another OJ. It’s the same legal system. If we get a leftist judge and a leftist jury and a skillful leftist defense team, who knows what the outcome might be. Make no mistake, your comrades on the defense will be working hard to find any technicality that undermines the case against KSM — and there will probably be many such technicalities given that he was not read his Miranda rights, and was waterboarded for information, and that the evidence against him was not collected with tweezers and placed in little ziplock bags. Your leftist friends will have a field day trying to decide which argument would be best for springing KSM loose.

If you guys really wanna git tuff with the terrorists, the best thing is to put them before a military tribunal. Then the justice you pretend to crave would be swift and sure. Besides, Obama and the Democrats revamped the procedures to make sure the tribunals are as fair as possible. Sure it would be military courts doing the deed, but you patriotic leftwingers have full confidence in our military folks to do the job right, right? Because you guys really love the military, right?

Yeah, right.

]]> By: 1 Boring Old Man » so?… http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/11/13/smack-down-of-obama-administration-on-ksm-trial-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-129658 1 Boring Old Man » so?… Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:24:34 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=29675#comment-129658 [...] News. Then bringing the alleged plotters to justice is far too scary. Such is the reaction of the far right to the news that the alleged plotters involved in the 9/11 attacks will be tried in a court of law [...] [...] News. Then bringing the alleged plotters to justice is far too scary. Such is the reaction of the far right to the news that the alleged plotters involved in the 9/11 attacks will be tried in a court of law [...]

]]> By: Father Panic http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/11/13/smack-down-of-obama-administration-on-ksm-trial-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-129642 Father Panic Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:56:04 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=29675#comment-129642 Mabad misses the point. The self evident truths are our natural rights. KSM and his ilk are being given acces to the resources behind our legal system, resources that the average American will never get. KSM will be given a top notch legal team to avoid any hint of impropriety, and this will cause a trial that goes on and on, costing everyone millions of dollars. Being as concerned with natural rights as you are, would it not be better to insist that average Americans be able to access the same resources, at the same level KSM will be, instead of an enemy combatant? You need to set a better straw man if you hope to make your "relativist" garbage stick. KSM should have been tried by military tribunal and executed as soon as we got what we needed from him. I feel less for that SOB than the deer I kill with regularity. Mabad misses the point. The self evident truths are our natural rights. KSM and his ilk are being given acces to the resources behind our legal system, resources that the average American will never get. KSM will be given a top notch legal team to avoid any hint of impropriety, and this will cause a trial that goes on and on, costing everyone millions of dollars. Being as concerned with natural rights as you are, would it not be better to insist that average Americans be able to access the same resources, at the same level KSM will be, instead of an enemy combatant? You need to set a better straw man if you hope to make your “relativist” garbage stick.

KSM should have been tried by military tribunal and executed as soon as we got what we needed from him. I feel less for that SOB than the deer I kill with regularity.

]]> By: ACLU pops corks with Al Qaeda as Obamanable Admin gives “shout out” KSM : Stop The ACLU http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/11/13/smack-down-of-obama-administration-on-ksm-trial-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-129638 ACLU pops corks with Al Qaeda as Obamanable Admin gives “shout out” KSM : Stop The ACLU Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:21:02 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=29675#comment-129638 [...] A sampling of those from Jay’s post from last night: Smack Down of Obama Administration on KSM Trial Decision [...] [...] A sampling of those from Jay’s post from last night: Smack Down of Obama Administration on KSM Trial Decision [...]

]]> By: po http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/11/13/smack-down-of-obama-administration-on-ksm-trial-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-129631 po Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:01:24 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=29675#comment-129631 What are y'all so afraid of? Bringing these terrorists to justice is so long overdue its not even debatable. Your side had years to do so, and didn't. Preferring instead to keep them as the rallying point for radicals around the world in the most un-American of places - Gitmo. Trying mass murderers who kill Americans in American courts is the American way. It's also the way that every other advanced nation in the world deals with terrorist. You and yours inflate their importance and their strength with your most un-American of tactics. You'd prefer to keep them detained indefinitely. If your side is to be believed, Americans right now are dying to uphold the US Constitution and all that it means and to fight the very excesses you seem to advocate. Trial by jury is one of those rights. If you don't trust the American legal system to handle this matter, you don't really think much of your country. All the other terrorists the US has tried have been convicted. This ain't OJ. What are y’all so afraid of? Bringing these terrorists to justice is so long overdue its not even debatable. Your side had years to do so, and didn’t. Preferring instead to keep them as the rallying point for radicals around the world in the most un-American of places – Gitmo.

Trying mass murderers who kill Americans in American courts is the American way. It’s also the way that every other advanced nation in the world deals with terrorist. You and yours inflate their importance and their strength with your most un-American of tactics. You’d prefer to keep them detained indefinitely. If your side is to be believed, Americans right now are dying to uphold the US Constitution and all that it means and to fight the very excesses you seem to advocate. Trial by jury is one of those rights. If you don’t trust the American legal system to handle this matter, you don’t really think much of your country.

All the other terrorists the US has tried have been convicted. This ain’t OJ.

]]> By: mabad http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/11/13/smack-down-of-obama-administration-on-ksm-trial-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-129628 mabad Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:51:34 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=29675#comment-129628 "American rights" So-called "American rights" are universal rights. Or are you the sort of relativist who does not hold those truths to be self-evident? “American rights”

So-called “American rights” are universal rights. Or are you the sort of relativist who does not hold those truths to be self-evident?

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