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	<title>Comments on: Democrats Plan to Go It Alone on Healthcare Bill</title>
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	<description>Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer</description>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/08/18/democrats-plan-to-go-it-alone-on-healthcare-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-124194</link>
		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen, 

  I&#039;d imagine your idea of &quot;real freedom&quot; would closely resemble your idea of real truth, which is completely lacking in your entire comment.

Not surprising considering the sources you utilize and the amount of money you are paying for your indoctrination. (or are they paying you to indoctrinate?)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/20/progressive-change-campaign-committee/groups-claim-overwhelming-support-public-option/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Read this, then split the difference, if you like.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen, </p>
<p>  I&#8217;d imagine your idea of &#8220;real freedom&#8221; would closely resemble your idea of real truth, which is completely lacking in your entire comment.</p>
<p>Not surprising considering the sources you utilize and the amount of money you are paying for your indoctrination. (or are they paying you to indoctrinate?)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/20/progressive-change-campaign-committee/groups-claim-overwhelming-support-public-option/" rel="nofollow">Read this, then split the difference, if you like.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/08/18/democrats-plan-to-go-it-alone-on-healthcare-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-124148</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you fail to realize is that the loopy right-wing dogmas that premise your analysis have always been false, they took us to the brink of another great depression, and health care reform will be wildly popular, because it serves people&#039;s needs. 77% of the population wants the public option. The only people with which this reform it is not popular is you simple-minded economic fundamentalist right wing ideologues, who wouldn&#039;t know real freedom if it came up and bit you -- which it is about to do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you fail to realize is that the loopy right-wing dogmas that premise your analysis have always been false, they took us to the brink of another great depression, and health care reform will be wildly popular, because it serves people&#8217;s needs. 77% of the population wants the public option. The only people with which this reform it is not popular is you simple-minded economic fundamentalist right wing ideologues, who wouldn&#8217;t know real freedom if it came up and bit you &#8212; which it is about to do!</p>
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		<title>By: rjjrdq</title>
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		<dc:creator>rjjrdq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, they&#039;ll ramrod this thing through next month. Come 2010 though, there might be a funding problem. There&#039;s more than one way to kill this thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, they&#8217;ll ramrod this thing through next month. Come 2010 though, there might be a funding problem. There&#8217;s more than one way to kill this thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the healthcare,phamaceutical and insurance lobbies are succeeding in continuing to wring every cent out of the American public.  The only losers will be the people who drive this vast engine called the USA.  The people at the top will remain covered.  The people at the bottom and the illegal immigrants will continue to be covered by public money.  Only the people who are losing their jobs, homes, or any/everything else they have worked for, will continue to be raped by the system.
The promised efficiencies, cost controls, and fair practices will force the USA to be in that wealth redistribution where, like Egypt, we will have 5% upperclass, 5% middle class and 90% at the bottom.  We are looking to kill off that vast middle class which was the golden goose that fueled the economy and created the American dream, in order that the top 5% can wring the last wealth from the masses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the healthcare,phamaceutical and insurance lobbies are succeeding in continuing to wring every cent out of the American public.  The only losers will be the people who drive this vast engine called the USA.  The people at the top will remain covered.  The people at the bottom and the illegal immigrants will continue to be covered by public money.  Only the people who are losing their jobs, homes, or any/everything else they have worked for, will continue to be raped by the system.<br />
The promised efficiencies, cost controls, and fair practices will force the USA to be in that wealth redistribution where, like Egypt, we will have 5% upperclass, 5% middle class and 90% at the bottom.  We are looking to kill off that vast middle class which was the golden goose that fueled the economy and created the American dream, in order that the top 5% can wring the last wealth from the masses.</p>
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		<title>By: Democrats to &#8216;go it alone&#8217; on ObamaCare? &#124; Conservative Dallas</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/08/18/democrats-plan-to-go-it-alone-on-healthcare-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-123836</link>
		<dc:creator>Democrats to &#8216;go it alone&#8217; on ObamaCare? &#124; Conservative Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] New York Times: Democrats Seem Set to Go Alone on a Health Bill PoliBlog: Democrats to “Got It Alone”? Scared Monkeys: Democrats Ready to Go It Alone on Obamacare and Ram it Through …   Don Surber: Dems threaten unilateral health care  Rahm Emanuel: Bipartisanship Is Dead The Moderate Voice: No Bipartisan Consensus? Time To Use The Majority! Open Left: Breaking: 2008 Winners Considering Governing Without Permission From Losers the albany project: About Damn Time: Dems To Cut GOP Loose On Healthcare Gateway Pundit: Liberals “Tired of Compromise” &#8230;Ready to Ram Obamacare Down America&#8217;s Throat Moe Lane: ‘Liberals tired of health care compromise.’ Stop The ACLU: Democrats Plan to Go It Alone on Healthcare Bill [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] New York Times: Democrats Seem Set to Go Alone on a Health Bill PoliBlog: Democrats to “Got It Alone”? Scared Monkeys: Democrats Ready to Go It Alone on Obamacare and Ram it Through …   Don Surber: Dems threaten unilateral health care  Rahm Emanuel: Bipartisanship Is Dead The Moderate Voice: No Bipartisan Consensus? Time To Use The Majority! Open Left: Breaking: 2008 Winners Considering Governing Without Permission From Losers the albany project: About Damn Time: Dems To Cut GOP Loose On Healthcare Gateway Pundit: Liberals “Tired of Compromise” &#8230;Ready to Ram Obamacare Down America&#8217;s Throat Moe Lane: ‘Liberals tired of health care compromise.’ Stop The ACLU: Democrats Plan to Go It Alone on Healthcare Bill [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dems To Ram Through Government-Run Health Care &#171; The Underground Conservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dems To Ram Through Government-Run Health Care &#171; The Underground Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 05:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: NYT: DEMS PLAN TO GO IT ALONE ON HEALTHCARE &#124; Right Voices</title>
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		<dc:creator>NYT: DEMS PLAN TO GO IT ALONE ON HEALTHCARE &#124; Right Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 04:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] STACLU: I’m disappointed the article didn’t live up to the hype. I was hoping to watch the lemmings jump off the cliff. It sounds like a bluff to me that would only expose the Democrat bluedogs as the ones really keeping this from getting passed. Perhaps this was meant to pressure them? They really don’t have the votes with a public option, and that option is vital to the liberals. Of course this isn’t stopping some to scheme, but I’m calling bluff on this rumor. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] STACLU: I’m disappointed the article didn’t live up to the hype. I was hoping to watch the lemmings jump off the cliff. It sounds like a bluff to me that would only expose the Democrat bluedogs as the ones really keeping this from getting passed. Perhaps this was meant to pressure them? They really don’t have the votes with a public option, and that option is vital to the liberals. Of course this isn’t stopping some to scheme, but I’m calling bluff on this rumor. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to pro life folks &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jeremiahfilms.com/released/Congress/907240416&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;45 blue dogs&lt;/a&gt; broke off ... Maxine Water attacked them, they have now been home and realize they are not on the Obatanic I don&#039;t think they will get aboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to pro life folks <a href="http://www.jeremiahfilms.com/released/Congress/907240416" rel="nofollow">45 blue dogs</a> broke off &#8230; Maxine Water attacked them, they have now been home and realize they are not on the Obatanic I don&#8217;t think they will get aboard.</p>
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		<title>By: Elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a clarifying moment at the very least.

1) White House sends signals that public option is off the table.
2) Liberals get furious and threaten to vote against any plan without it.
3) White House reaffirms support for public option - trial balloon message returned...
4) Kyl and GOP leadership state they will not support anything coming out of the Finance Committee (not to mention the HELP Committee)
5) White House says, &quot;We tried to negotiate with the Republicans but they decided to be the &quot;Party of No&quot;. So we&#039;ll do it alone

6) Now is the interesting part - will co-oppers (Baucus, Conrad, Nelson, etc.) agree with the White House and let the public option go through? Or will they join a GOP filibuster?

Expect Obama to be working the co-oppers very closely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a clarifying moment at the very least.</p>
<p>1) White House sends signals that public option is off the table.<br />
2) Liberals get furious and threaten to vote against any plan without it.<br />
3) White House reaffirms support for public option &#8211; trial balloon message returned&#8230;<br />
4) Kyl and GOP leadership state they will not support anything coming out of the Finance Committee (not to mention the HELP Committee)<br />
5) White House says, &#8220;We tried to negotiate with the Republicans but they decided to be the &#8220;Party of No&#8221;. So we&#8217;ll do it alone</p>
<p>6) Now is the interesting part &#8211; will co-oppers (Baucus, Conrad, Nelson, etc.) agree with the White House and let the public option go through? Or will they join a GOP filibuster?</p>
<p>Expect Obama to be working the co-oppers very closely.</p>
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