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	<title>Comments on: Texas State Law Requires Teaching Of Bible In Public School</title>
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		<title>By: mikejgrant</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikejgrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont give $#%&amp; WHO you quote in the past. the bottom line is that we live in the PRESENT and we SHOULD have learned by now to RESPECT each others religious choices and not force any beliefs on anyone else. Respect, folks. Thats what it comes down to. Respect someone elses choice to NOT believe in YOUR religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont give $#%&amp; WHO you quote in the past. the bottom line is that we live in the PRESENT and we SHOULD have learned by now to RESPECT each others religious choices and not force any beliefs on anyone else. Respect, folks. Thats what it comes down to. Respect someone elses choice to NOT believe in YOUR religion.</p>
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		<title>By: William Teach</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Teach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please increase your reading comprehension, Stella. This was a discussion of the 1st. The second sure does apply to the States. The first doesn&#039;t. 

Most of the states patterned their constitutions on the federal one. &quot;Congress&quot; applies to the federal congress.

Nice try. Stay on topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please increase your reading comprehension, Stella. This was a discussion of the 1st. The second sure does apply to the States. The first doesn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Most of the states patterned their constitutions on the federal one. &#8220;Congress&#8221; applies to the federal congress.</p>
<p>Nice try. Stay on topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Stella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the Bill of Rights does apply to state governments as well as the Federal government. You&#039;ll note that when state and municipal governments try to enact gun control laws, challenges are brought under the Second Amendment - of the FEDERAL Constitution! It does work both ways. Prayer in public, state-run schools has been challenged under the First Amendment (successfully) many times. Just get your facts straight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the Bill of Rights does apply to state governments as well as the Federal government. You&#8217;ll note that when state and municipal governments try to enact gun control laws, challenges are brought under the Second Amendment &#8211; of the FEDERAL Constitution! It does work both ways. Prayer in public, state-run schools has been challenged under the First Amendment (successfully) many times. Just get your facts straight.</p>
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		<title>By: Cam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loboinok, I like how you asked me for a credible source, but ask for none by the actual author of this article.

His assassin/murderer statement needs citation before I write this site off as horse [expletive deleted]. 

But since you asked and a simple google search can turn up dozens of sources, here you go.
http://www.holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm

Assuming atheists make up the lowest feasible amount of 8%, they&#039;re the only underrepresented group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loboinok, I like how you asked me for a credible source, but ask for none by the actual author of this article.</p>
<p>His assassin/murderer statement needs citation before I write this site off as horse [expletive deleted]. </p>
<p>But since you asked and a simple google search can turn up dozens of sources, here you go.<br />
<a href="http://www.holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm</a></p>
<p>Assuming atheists make up the lowest feasible amount of 8%, they&#8217;re the only underrepresented group.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, no more most, if not all, domestic terrorist are christian fanatics. Abroad it is a mix of religions. Religion poisons countries. One of the reasons this country was founded. Freedom of religion which Christians feel the need persecute others for. I&#039;m christian but imposing beliefs on a family should be a crime. America has been on a downward spiral for 9 years now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, no more most, if not all, domestic terrorist are christian fanatics. Abroad it is a mix of religions. Religion poisons countries. One of the reasons this country was founded. Freedom of religion which Christians feel the need persecute others for. I&#8217;m christian but imposing beliefs on a family should be a crime. America has been on a downward spiral for 9 years now.</p>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
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		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no shortage of fiction and lies in our &quot;educational&quot; system as well, Kerwin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no shortage of fiction and lies in our &#8220;educational&#8221; system as well, Kerwin.</p>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
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		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“Education is useless without the Bible” - Noah Webster [Our Christian Heritage p.5 ]&lt;p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;


“The Bible was America’s basic textbook
in all fields.” [Noah Webster. Our Christian Heritage p.5]&lt;p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;


“In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed...No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.” - Noah Webster
[Source: 1828, in the preface to his American Dictionary of the English Language]&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;


&lt;blockquote&gt;“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.” - George Washington [speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779]&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;


&lt;blockquote&gt;“ Let divines and philosophers, statesmen and patriots, unite their endeavors to renovate the age by impressing the minds of men with the importance of educating their little boys and girls, inculcating in the minds of youth the fear and love of the Deity… and leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system.”  - Sam Adams [October 4, 1790]&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;

In Benjamin Franklin&#039;s 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania, he insisted that schools teach &quot;the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern.&quot;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;



&lt;blockquote&gt;“I lament that we waste so much time and money in punishing crimes and take so little pains to prevent them…we neglect the only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government; that is, the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by means of the Bible; for this Divine Book, above all others, constitutes the soul of republicanism.” “By withholding the knowledge of [the Scriptures] from children, we deprive ourselves of the best means of awakening moral sensibility in their minds.” - Benjamin Rush [Letter written (1790’s) in Defense of the Bible in all schools in America]
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;

&quot;Let the children who are sent to those schools be taught to read and write and above all, let both sexes be carefully instructed in the principles and obligations of the Christian religion. This is the most essential part of education” - Benjamin Rush
[Letters of Benjamin Rush, &quot;To the citizens of Philadelphia: A Plan for Free Schools&quot;, March 28, 1787]&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“Education is useless without the Bible” &#8211; Noah Webster [Our Christian Heritage p.5 ]
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<p>“The Bible was America’s basic textbook<br />
in all fields.” [Noah Webster. Our Christian Heritage p.5]</p>
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<p>“In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed&#8230;No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.” &#8211; Noah Webster<br />
[Source: 1828, in the preface to his American Dictionary of the English Language]</p>
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<blockquote><p>“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.” &#8211; George Washington [speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779]</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote><p>“ Let divines and philosophers, statesmen and patriots, unite their endeavors to renovate the age by impressing the minds of men with the importance of educating their little boys and girls, inculcating in the minds of youth the fear and love of the Deity… and leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system.”  &#8211; Sam Adams [October 4, 1790]</p></blockquote>
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<p>In Benjamin Franklin&#8217;s 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania, he insisted that schools teach &#8220;the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern.&#8221;
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<blockquote><p>“I lament that we waste so much time and money in punishing crimes and take so little pains to prevent them…we neglect the only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government; that is, the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by means of the Bible; for this Divine Book, above all others, constitutes the soul of republicanism.” “By withholding the knowledge of [the Scriptures] from children, we deprive ourselves of the best means of awakening moral sensibility in their minds.” &#8211; Benjamin Rush [Letter written (1790’s) in Defense of the Bible in all schools in America]</p>
<p>&#8220;Let the children who are sent to those schools be taught to read and write and above all, let both sexes be carefully instructed in the principles and obligations of the Christian religion. This is the most essential part of education” &#8211; Benjamin Rush<br />
[Letters of Benjamin Rush, "To the citizens of Philadelphia: A Plan for Free Schools", March 28, 1787]</p>
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		<title>By: kerwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct that the whole Bill of Rights is only meant to limit the federal and not state government but you forgot that legal fictions,lies, abound in the court systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct that the whole Bill of Rights is only meant to limit the federal and not state government but you forgot that legal fictions,lies, abound in the court systems.</p>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
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		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Funny how only 1% of the US prison population are atheists.&lt;/i&gt;

Do Atheists believe in prisons?

Seriously, what would be funny would be you supporting your statements with credible sources showing precise statistics on the religious demographics of U.S. prisons.

Good luck with that considering how Michigan, California and a few other states gather statistics on religious preferences.

(Oops... California hasn&#039;t maintained those stats for 15 years or so.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Funny how only 1% of the US prison population are atheists.</i></p>
<p>Do Atheists believe in prisons?</p>
<p>Seriously, what would be funny would be you supporting your statements with credible sources showing precise statistics on the religious demographics of U.S. prisons.</p>
<p>Good luck with that considering how Michigan, California and a few other states gather statistics on religious preferences.</p>
<p>(Oops&#8230; California hasn&#8217;t maintained those stats for 15 years or so.)</p>
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		<title>By: Cam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The vast majority of us turned out fine. Interesting how most killers and assassins tend to be left leaners who really do not have a notion of God, though, eh?&quot;

Funny how only 1% of the US prison population are atheists. Funny how that&#039;s an under-representation of the population of atheists as a whole, while every other religious group correlates almost perfectly with their population outside of prison and that inside of prison. (ie, Catholics represent 35% of the population and 35% of the prison population)

Funny how the most religious states are the most violent and crime filled. While the states with the most atheists are the least violent states in the USA.

&quot;But, at least they have a moral center, of which the Bible provides.&quot;
The bible provides a strong moral grounding? We&#039;re talking about a book which condones the stoning of women, where men can be killed if they&#039;re caught collecting firewood on the sabbath, where mothers are forced to watch as their babies are dashed against the rocks- as commanded by God.

But our morals come from that book? Absolutely not, we have a set of morals that come from outside any book. Perhaps the idea of heaven reinforces our determination not to steal or lie etc, but it&#039;s by no means a &quot;moral center&quot;. 
I&#039;ve never heard a preacher teaching why it&#039;s ok to kill women via stoning, and it makes you wonder, if the bible is such a strong moral guide why do we need to pick and choose its lessons?

I don&#039;t have a problem with what Texas is doing. I have a problem with whoever wrote this article. 
I also went to a private school, learned about the bible and came out of it fine. However judging by what I know of the USA and Texas, teaching the bible without any religion involved is just going to devolve into a creationist class- teaching kids that the world is 6000 years old, dinosaurs are made by Satan and that evolution is a lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The vast majority of us turned out fine. Interesting how most killers and assassins tend to be left leaners who really do not have a notion of God, though, eh?&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny how only 1% of the US prison population are atheists. Funny how that&#8217;s an under-representation of the population of atheists as a whole, while every other religious group correlates almost perfectly with their population outside of prison and that inside of prison. (ie, Catholics represent 35% of the population and 35% of the prison population)</p>
<p>Funny how the most religious states are the most violent and crime filled. While the states with the most atheists are the least violent states in the USA.</p>
<p>&#8220;But, at least they have a moral center, of which the Bible provides.&#8221;<br />
The bible provides a strong moral grounding? We&#8217;re talking about a book which condones the stoning of women, where men can be killed if they&#8217;re caught collecting firewood on the sabbath, where mothers are forced to watch as their babies are dashed against the rocks- as commanded by God.</p>
<p>But our morals come from that book? Absolutely not, we have a set of morals that come from outside any book. Perhaps the idea of heaven reinforces our determination not to steal or lie etc, but it&#8217;s by no means a &#8220;moral center&#8221;.<br />
I&#8217;ve never heard a preacher teaching why it&#8217;s ok to kill women via stoning, and it makes you wonder, if the bible is such a strong moral guide why do we need to pick and choose its lessons?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with what Texas is doing. I have a problem with whoever wrote this article.<br />
I also went to a private school, learned about the bible and came out of it fine. However judging by what I know of the USA and Texas, teaching the bible without any religion involved is just going to devolve into a creationist class- teaching kids that the world is 6000 years old, dinosaurs are made by Satan and that evolution is a lie.</p>
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