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	<title>Comments on: Obama Health Plan Going Over Like Lead Balloon to American Public</title>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
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		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why are so many of you so scared of all this – this is what your people need.&lt;/i&gt;

Arno,
  
  We are fearful that the people will end up like you. Someone old enough, by your own admission, to know what is socialism but not wise enough to know that you are up to your neck in it.

&lt;i&gt;Calling it socialism is crazy;&lt;/i&gt;

so·cial·ism   (s?&#039;sh?-l?z&#039;?m)   
n.  

   1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is &lt;b&gt;owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy&lt;/b&gt;.

socialism

An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are controlled &lt;b&gt;substantially by the government rather than by private enterprise&lt;/b&gt;, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides economic activity. 

Calling it socialism isn&#039;t crazy. Living under socialism and then denying it or attempting to call it something else is crazy and delusional!

What we &lt;b&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/b&gt; need is for people who don&#039;t know what they are talking about and don&#039;t live here, telling us what we need!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why are so many of you so scared of all this – this is what your people need.</i></p>
<p>Arno,</p>
<p>  We are fearful that the people will end up like you. Someone old enough, by your own admission, to know what is socialism but not wise enough to know that you are up to your neck in it.</p>
<p><i>Calling it socialism is crazy;</i></p>
<p>so·cial·ism   (s?&#8217;sh?-l?z&#8217;?m)<br />
n.  </p>
<p>   1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is <b>owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy</b>.</p>
<p>socialism</p>
<p>An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are controlled <b>substantially by the government rather than by private enterprise</b>, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides economic activity. </p>
<p>Calling it socialism isn&#8217;t crazy. Living under socialism and then denying it or attempting to call it something else is crazy and delusional!</p>
<p>What we <b>don&#8217;t</b> need is for people who don&#8217;t know what they are talking about and don&#8217;t live here, telling us what we need!</p>
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		<title>By: Arno Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arno Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m English and 56 years old. I have lived under our National Health System all my life. Calling it socialism is crazy; Britain is not a socialist country. It is about the welfare of all its people, not just the lucky rich. You are hearing that our NHS doesn’t work – well it does, but like every large organisation it has its faults and some mistakes do get made. But, please believe me, a system like the NHS is a basic part of a decent civilisation. Who is your country for? Is it just the well-off or is it for all your citizens? Plenty of you work very hard and earn very little. Why the hell should your life and well-being not be as important as that of a New York banker? Why are so many of you so scared of all this – this is what your people need.

Arno Brooks
York, England</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m English and 56 years old. I have lived under our National Health System all my life. Calling it socialism is crazy; Britain is not a socialist country. It is about the welfare of all its people, not just the lucky rich. You are hearing that our NHS doesn’t work – well it does, but like every large organisation it has its faults and some mistakes do get made. But, please believe me, a system like the NHS is a basic part of a decent civilisation. Who is your country for? Is it just the well-off or is it for all your citizens? Plenty of you work very hard and earn very little. Why the hell should your life and well-being not be as important as that of a New York banker? Why are so many of you so scared of all this – this is what your people need.</p>
<p>Arno Brooks<br />
York, England</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 00:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So because we don&#039;t like Obama&#039;s health plan we&#039;re an idiot who think&#039;s it&#039;s better to do nothing? No, what we do think is let&#039;s not try and rush it through so fast there&#039;s no time for all the details to come out. This is a huge, critical reform that deserves more than a &quot;let&#039;s try and vote before August recess.&quot; I mean really? Let me tell you my family has paid a high price for the insurance crisis, almost losing my husband and now having a kidney transplant and required medication for the rest of his life all because he was told at a Texas emergency room to come back when he was in kidney failure and they could help him them but since we at the time didn&#039;t have insurance they wouldn&#039;t do anything to save his kidneys, which could have been done and would have been a lot less of an expense on our government. Regardless of all we walked through with that and we walked through a lot, I still do not sit here and quickly endorse a reform I have many, many concerns about. One of them being if my husband needs another transplant after he is 59, which could very easily be the case, will the law simply say &quot;sorry, you&#039;re too old&quot; because as of right now, that is the case with this current health care reform. Not to mention the extreme concern that any voice that is against this administration is tarred and feathered quicker than we can turn our heads, we all ought to wake up a little and value our voices while we still have them or our grandchildren won&#039;t have the right to speak their minds regardless of their opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So because we don&#8217;t like Obama&#8217;s health plan we&#8217;re an idiot who think&#8217;s it&#8217;s better to do nothing? No, what we do think is let&#8217;s not try and rush it through so fast there&#8217;s no time for all the details to come out. This is a huge, critical reform that deserves more than a &#8220;let&#8217;s try and vote before August recess.&#8221; I mean really? Let me tell you my family has paid a high price for the insurance crisis, almost losing my husband and now having a kidney transplant and required medication for the rest of his life all because he was told at a Texas emergency room to come back when he was in kidney failure and they could help him them but since we at the time didn&#8217;t have insurance they wouldn&#8217;t do anything to save his kidneys, which could have been done and would have been a lot less of an expense on our government. Regardless of all we walked through with that and we walked through a lot, I still do not sit here and quickly endorse a reform I have many, many concerns about. One of them being if my husband needs another transplant after he is 59, which could very easily be the case, will the law simply say &#8220;sorry, you&#8217;re too old&#8221; because as of right now, that is the case with this current health care reform. Not to mention the extreme concern that any voice that is against this administration is tarred and feathered quicker than we can turn our heads, we all ought to wake up a little and value our voices while we still have them or our grandchildren won&#8217;t have the right to speak their minds regardless of their opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Bush Basher?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bush Basher?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh and a couple of crazy &#039;fact based points&#039; that you might want to consider- Obama isnt writing the legislation- different groups in the house and the senate are. What the Democrats produce and Obama signs off on-that you can certainly call Obama&#039;s plan.
In the meantime I don&#039;t have health care. I haven&#039;t seen a doctor in years. I eagerly anything that they might produce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and a couple of crazy &#8216;fact based points&#8217; that you might want to consider- Obama isnt writing the legislation- different groups in the house and the senate are. What the Democrats produce and Obama signs off on-that you can certainly call Obama&#8217;s plan.<br />
In the meantime I don&#8217;t have health care. I haven&#8217;t seen a doctor in years. I eagerly anything that they might produce.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All right.  You don&#039;t like Obama&#039;s health plan.  Do you have any ideas for a better health plan?  Or are you one of those idiots who think it&#039;s better to do nothing about the state of our health provisions, which are draining our pocketbooks?  What?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right.  You don&#8217;t like Obama&#8217;s health plan.  Do you have any ideas for a better health plan?  Or are you one of those idiots who think it&#8217;s better to do nothing about the state of our health provisions, which are draining our pocketbooks?  What?</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they should start acting like the black panther punks and the nuts and criminals 
that belong to acorn there your dems in action. impeach obimbo now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they should start acting like the black panther punks and the nuts and criminals<br />
that belong to acorn there your dems in action. impeach obimbo now.</p>
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		<title>By: xerocky</title>
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		<dc:creator>xerocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that really alarms me is how un-organized these folks seem. It seems VERY grassroots seat of their pants sort of thing... for example, have you ever noticed that when leftoid types protest something there are signs that all match, and you see the same slogan over and over again? Not the case here, just seems like a bunch of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that really alarms me is how un-organized these folks seem. It seems VERY grassroots seat of their pants sort of thing&#8230; for example, have you ever noticed that when leftoid types protest something there are signs that all match, and you see the same slogan over and over again? Not the case here, just seems like a bunch of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 03:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Self-delusion is one of the key aspects of pathological narcissism. We see an entire political party in denial (the Democrats) -- after all the years of intense Bush-bashing, they cannot comprehend that the mainstream American voter would do the same to them...and this business about reporting to the White House website any counter-arguments to the Obama healthcare plan would be laughable, if it were not so inherently disturbing. The 60s-era radicals are out -- trying to resurrect their non-democratic socialist ideals. This is not Western &quot;Eurozone&quot; Europe they want to emulate, it has shades of the former Soviet-allied Eastern bloc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Self-delusion is one of the key aspects of pathological narcissism. We see an entire political party in denial (the Democrats) &#8212; after all the years of intense Bush-bashing, they cannot comprehend that the mainstream American voter would do the same to them&#8230;and this business about reporting to the White House website any counter-arguments to the Obama healthcare plan would be laughable, if it were not so inherently disturbing. The 60s-era radicals are out &#8212; trying to resurrect their non-democratic socialist ideals. This is not Western &#8220;Eurozone&#8221; Europe they want to emulate, it has shades of the former Soviet-allied Eastern bloc.</p>
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