Comments on: Are Birthers Nuts? http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/07/29/are-birthers-nuts/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:22:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Say, About That Poll Where 28% Of GOPers Believer Barry Is Not A US Citizen…. » Pirate's Cove http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/07/29/are-birthers-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-121866 Say, About That Poll Where 28% Of GOPers Believer Barry Is Not A US Citizen…. » Pirate's Cove Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:39:24 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=25463#comment-121866 [...] should be focused on. A mere 28% believe Obama wasn’t born in the US. That could easily be settled for most, along with the not sure’s, by releasing the long form birth certificate. That would make [...] [...] should be focused on. A mere 28% believe Obama wasn’t born in the US. That could easily be settled for most, along with the not sure’s, by releasing the long form birth certificate. That would make [...]

]]> By: Say, About That Poll Where 28% Of GOPers Believer Barry Is Not A US Citizen…. : Stop The ACLU http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/07/29/are-birthers-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-121865 Say, About That Poll Where 28% Of GOPers Believer Barry Is Not A US Citizen…. : Stop The ACLU Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:38:35 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=25463#comment-121865 [...] should be focused on. A mere 28% believe Obama wasn’t born in the US. That could easily be settled for most, along with the not sure’s, by releasing the long form birth certificate. That would make [...] [...] should be focused on. A mere 28% believe Obama wasn’t born in the US. That could easily be settled for most, along with the not sure’s, by releasing the long form birth certificate. That would make [...]

]]> By: Lipiwitz http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/07/29/are-birthers-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-121791 Lipiwitz Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:05:28 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=25463#comment-121791 Well...good luck with it. Well…good luck with it.

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/07/29/are-birthers-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-121780 Jennifer Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:26:54 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=25463#comment-121780 Alright then, forget the birth certificate. What about all the other records he refuses to release, records which other Presidents released. Things like transcripts, college thesis, etc. Bush knew he'd be teased for being a 'C' student at Yale, but he released his transcripts anyway. Obama won't release his Occidental Scholarship records cause it might show that particular scholarship was reserved for foreign-born students. He won't release his college thesis because the content is so radical, it would turn off most of America. What about his school records when he was in Indonesia? They might show that he was indeed an Indonesian citizen - by way of his step-father's adoption. If you dig just a little into all the OTHER documentation that Obama is working hard to keep secret, you realize that this is much bigger than just not being able to provide a long-form birth certificate. The web is deep, and obviously there is something to hide, or else, why would he work so damn hard to hide it? Alright then, forget the birth certificate. What about all the other records he refuses to release, records which other Presidents released. Things like transcripts, college thesis, etc. Bush knew he’d be teased for being a ‘C’ student at Yale, but he released his transcripts anyway. Obama won’t release his Occidental Scholarship records cause it might show that particular scholarship was reserved for foreign-born students. He won’t release his college thesis because the content is so radical, it would turn off most of America. What about his school records when he was in Indonesia? They might show that he was indeed an Indonesian citizen – by way of his step-father’s adoption. If you dig just a little into all the OTHER documentation that Obama is working hard to keep secret, you realize that this is much bigger than just not being able to provide a long-form birth certificate. The web is deep, and obviously there is something to hide, or else, why would he work so damn hard to hide it?

]]> By: Randyg45 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/07/29/are-birthers-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-121762 Randyg45 Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:20:45 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=25463#comment-121762 Charles Bell is completely right. I came to this issue a total skeptic, but slowly got into researching it because of the Occam's razor aspect of the adamant, arduous, expensive fight of Team Obama to avoid producing an actual birth cetificate (as opposed to the redacted- what's up with THAT?- Certification of Live Birth). At any rate, the real reason Team Obama is refusing to release the birth certificate is, imo, that the resultant controversy serves as a useful distraction from the real issue: Barack Obama is very probably not a "natural born citizen" (as opposed to, simply: "citizen") regardless of his birthplace. I say "very probably" only because "natural born citizen" has never been formally defined by SCOTUS. For a fuller explanation of some of the legal issues that may well (by which I mean: "in my opinion, DO") render the birth certificate issue moot, search for "Vattel decoded", Vattel having offered the definition of "natural born citizen" most likely used by the Founders. The Constitution matters. Every jot. Every tittle. Every word. Charles Bell is completely right.
I came to this issue a total skeptic, but slowly got into researching it because of the Occam’s razor aspect of the adamant, arduous, expensive fight of Team Obama to avoid producing an actual birth cetificate (as opposed to the redacted- what’s up with THAT?- Certification of Live Birth).
At any rate, the real reason Team Obama is refusing to release the birth certificate is, imo, that the resultant controversy serves as a useful distraction from the real issue: Barack Obama is very probably not a “natural born citizen” (as opposed to, simply: “citizen”) regardless of his birthplace.
I say “very probably” only because “natural born citizen” has never been formally defined by SCOTUS.
For a fuller explanation of some of the legal issues that may well (by which I mean: “in my opinion, DO”) render the birth certificate issue moot, search for “Vattel decoded”, Vattel having offered the definition of “natural born citizen” most likely used by the Founders.
The Constitution matters. Every jot. Every tittle. Every word.

]]> By: Bill G. http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/07/29/are-birthers-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-121759 Bill G. Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:49:47 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=25463#comment-121759 This record, of his birth, is one for a Constitutional Requirement. If pressed properly, it may begin to crack a hole in the shield being held up in front of all the other records being refused. Regarding Dr. Fukino's statement, George W. Bush had his Honorable Discharge, not a statement of someone seeing it, and it was insufficient to stop the massive spread of slander. Break the shield, the Big "D". Get his records. Prove Democrats are accountable to the American public, not just Republicans. This record, of his birth, is one for a Constitutional Requirement. If pressed properly, it may begin to crack a hole in the shield being held up in front of all the other records being refused.
Regarding Dr. Fukino’s statement, George W. Bush had his Honorable Discharge, not a statement of someone seeing it, and it was insufficient to stop the massive spread of slander.
Break the shield, the Big “D”.
Get his records.
Prove Democrats are accountable to the American public, not just Republicans.

]]> By: Charles Bell http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/07/29/are-birthers-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-121758 Charles Bell Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:01:35 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=25463#comment-121758 Leo Donfrio's case that Obama is not a natural-born citizen regardless of where he was born is compelling to those who are Constitutional orginalists in that Obama, Sr. was never U.S. citizen and the meaning of the phrase, "natural-born" in Article II meant that both parents needed to have been U.S. citizens ("owing no allegiances to foreign powers"), and that neither in word or intent does the 14th Amendment change that requirement. Leo Donfrio’s case that Obama is not a natural-born citizen regardless of where he was born is compelling to those who are Constitutional orginalists in that Obama, Sr. was never U.S. citizen and the meaning of the phrase, “natural-born” in Article II meant that both parents needed to have been U.S. citizens (“owing no allegiances to foreign powers”), and that neither in word or intent does the 14th Amendment change that requirement.

]]> By: Lipiwitz http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/07/29/are-birthers-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-121754 Lipiwitz Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:46:24 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=25463#comment-121754 Here is a sample of a long form birth certificate. If you take a close look, you will see that some parts of the form involve personal information concerning both the Mother and the Father that Obama (or anybody else) would probably consider none of our business. Obama is not required by law to submit to bloggers anything let alone personal information involving his parents. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Weird.gif What has been submitted is what is legally recognized as a Birth Certificate that is accepted by the US State Department as legal requirements to prove citizenship. Anything more than that involving personal and confidential information is NOT required by law (blogger or legitimate) and is none of our damn business! For Conservatives who are supposed to be for less intrusion, they're being awfully intrusive. Here is a sample of a long form birth certificate. If you take a close look, you will see that some parts of the form involve personal information concerning both the Mother and the Father that Obama (or anybody else) would probably consider none of our business. Obama is not required by law to submit to bloggers anything let alone personal information involving his parents.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Weird.gif

What has been submitted is what is legally recognized as a Birth Certificate that is accepted by the US State Department as legal requirements to prove citizenship. Anything more than that involving personal and confidential information is NOT required by law (blogger or legitimate) and is none of our damn business! For Conservatives who are supposed to be for less intrusion, they’re being awfully intrusive.

]]> By: Lipiwitz http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/07/29/are-birthers-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-121753 Lipiwitz Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:16:34 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=25463#comment-121753 Nice post by the way but yeah...some of them are completely Looney! Nice post by the way but yeah…some of them are completely Looney!

]]> By: Lipiwitz http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/07/29/are-birthers-nuts/comment-page-1/#comment-121752 Lipiwitz Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:10:42 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=25463#comment-121752 Are Birthers nuts? Yup! Are Birthers nuts? Yup!

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