Comments on: Hey, How Am I Driving, Man? I Think We’re Parked http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/05/17/hey-how-am-i-driving-man-i-think-were-parked/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:22:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Sean http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/05/17/hey-how-am-i-driving-man-i-think-were-parked/comment-page-1/#comment-118149 Sean Wed, 20 May 2009 14:26:45 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=22677#comment-118149 I call BS on that driving figure, no matter what you come up with, number of deaths cause by marijuana throughout its 5000 years of recorded use. ZERO. You have nothing on that, oh those 15% trauma patients? They were drinking too, but they won't say that they'll say they had pot in their system, not that their BAC was .12 Grow up, it's completely harmless and you all know it. Here's a statistics, percent of studies commissioned by the federal government on marijuana that came back recommending either decriminalization or legalization? 100% Stop listening to politicians and listen to science. I call BS on that driving figure, no matter what you come up with, number of deaths cause by marijuana throughout its 5000 years of recorded use. ZERO. You have nothing on that, oh those 15% trauma patients? They were drinking too, but they won’t say that they’ll say they had pot in their system, not that their BAC was .12 Grow up, it’s completely harmless and you all know it. Here’s a statistics, percent of studies commissioned by the federal government on marijuana that came back recommending either decriminalization or legalization? 100% Stop listening to politicians and listen to science.

]]> By: ron http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/05/17/hey-how-am-i-driving-man-i-think-were-parked/comment-page-1/#comment-118093 ron Tue, 19 May 2009 12:45:11 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=22677#comment-118093 College kids should receive the same rough treatment any kid in the hood would. One of the most unjust aspects of the drug war is it's uneven enforcement. Maybe when young college kids are having guns shoved in their face and their lives ruined for "recreational" drug use the injustice will be seen. As far as 15% of auto injuries from marijuana... Is that really significant? How many drivers (in an accident or not) have used marijuana. I would guess it's somewhere around 15% or higher. I bet the number of trauma patients injured while driving a car or motorcycle that have heard a Britney Spears song is about 95%. Does not mean that Britney Spears songs increase the likelihood of accidents. College kids should receive the same rough treatment any kid in the hood would. One of the most unjust aspects of the drug war is it’s uneven enforcement. Maybe when young college kids are having guns shoved in their face and their lives ruined for “recreational” drug use the injustice will be seen.

As far as 15% of auto injuries from marijuana… Is that really significant? How many drivers (in an accident or not) have used marijuana. I would guess it’s somewhere around 15% or higher.

I bet the number of trauma patients injured while driving a car or motorcycle that have heard a Britney Spears song is about 95%. Does not mean that Britney Spears songs increase the likelihood of accidents.

]]> By: Verimius http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/05/17/hey-how-am-i-driving-man-i-think-were-parked/comment-page-1/#comment-118084 Verimius Tue, 19 May 2009 04:10:34 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=22677#comment-118084 Trusting the ONDCP for reliable information on drugs is like trusting the ACLU on the constitution. Trusting the ONDCP for reliable information on drugs is like trusting the ACLU on the constitution.

]]> By: A Real Person http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/05/17/hey-how-am-i-driving-man-i-think-were-parked/comment-page-1/#comment-118066 A Real Person Mon, 18 May 2009 15:28:23 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=22677#comment-118066 Stop the ACLU? Why not just stop invading people's lives for no good reason? Marijuana is safer than Tylenol, and it grows naturally like tomatoes. In fact, the only way you could kill yourself with marijuana is by choking on it. This isn't a dangerous substance that needs to be controlled. It's a substance that needs to be legalized and taxed. "But wait, the government says it's more potent than ever! 10% in fact!" Notice that still doesn't make it more dangerous than Tylenol, and in reality it just means people need to use less. It has a plethora of medical uses. It's natural. It's God's gift to mankind. Stop abusing the citizenry. Legalize. Tax. Be happy. Stop the ACLU? Why not just stop invading people’s lives for no good reason? Marijuana is safer than Tylenol, and it grows naturally like tomatoes. In fact, the only way you could kill yourself with marijuana is by choking on it.

This isn’t a dangerous substance that needs to be controlled. It’s a substance that needs to be legalized and taxed.

“But wait, the government says it’s more potent than ever! 10% in fact!” Notice that still doesn’t make it more dangerous than Tylenol, and in reality it just means people need to use less.

It has a plethora of medical uses. It’s natural. It’s God’s gift to mankind. Stop abusing the citizenry. Legalize. Tax. Be happy.

]]> By: TYC http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/05/17/hey-how-am-i-driving-man-i-think-were-parked/comment-page-1/#comment-118064 TYC Mon, 18 May 2009 14:18:02 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=22677#comment-118064 If prohibitionists like the system currently in place then by all means continue to allow the drug gangs to distribute drugs to all and to receive all profits. The only other option is to LEGALIZE, REGULATE, AND TAX. Currently children can access drugs because there is no regulation. The government has taken a hands off approach. They only step in to arrest and eradicate which doesn't seem to be working. The Tucson Sector of the Border Patrol captures nearly 4,500 lbs a DAY. And they readily admit that they only get 5 - 10 %. That's not what I call winning the drug war. If prohibitionists like the system currently in place then by all means continue to allow the drug gangs to distribute drugs to all and to receive all profits. The only other option is to

LEGALIZE, REGULATE, AND TAX.

Currently children can access drugs because there is no regulation. The government has taken a hands off approach. They only step in to arrest and eradicate which doesn’t seem to be working. The Tucson Sector of the Border Patrol captures nearly 4,500 lbs a DAY. And they readily admit that they only get 5 – 10 %. That’s not what I call winning the drug war.

]]> By: Mitchell http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/05/17/hey-how-am-i-driving-man-i-think-were-parked/comment-page-1/#comment-118058 Mitchell Mon, 18 May 2009 07:25:54 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=22677#comment-118058 Great points Kristin and Wayne Reed! The study that the government released is somewhat misleading. Read Page 12 of the full report for marijuana THC samples and it says that for domestic samples the potency in 2007 was 4.8% with 800+ samples, then in 2008 the THC potency was 10%+ but there were only 10 samples of DOMESTIC product. Go read the FULL government report. The media misconstrues the evidence. Great points Kristin and Wayne Reed!

The study that the government released is somewhat misleading. Read Page 12 of the full report for marijuana THC samples and it says that for domestic samples the potency in 2007 was 4.8% with 800+ samples, then in 2008 the THC potency was 10%+ but there were only 10 samples of DOMESTIC product.
Go read the FULL government report.
The media misconstrues the evidence.

]]> By: Wayne Reed http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/05/17/hey-how-am-i-driving-man-i-think-were-parked/comment-page-1/#comment-118054 Wayne Reed Mon, 18 May 2009 05:13:20 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=22677#comment-118054 Such a fair and balanced article! Next time try to be more one sided and badly informed. Medical Marijuana is about compassion and legalizing is about rights. Such a fair and balanced article! Next time try to be more one sided and badly informed. Medical Marijuana is about compassion and legalizing is about rights.

]]> By: Kristin http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/05/17/hey-how-am-i-driving-man-i-think-were-parked/comment-page-1/#comment-118051 Kristin Mon, 18 May 2009 03:04:20 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=22677#comment-118051 Education is a great alternative. Unfortunately, the "education" that our government has chosen consists of telling outright BS lies that most people see for what they are. I was a teen not too long ago (I'm only 22 now) so I remember what it was like having my head filled with propaganda that I KNEW was false. Our government needs to stop lying to teens and start telling them the truth: Marijuana isn't going to kill you, it's NOTHING like heroine, and as far as drugs go, it's definitely the least harmful. However, these things being said, it's also a fact that ANY drugs have a detrimental effect on a developing adolescent brain, THIS is the reason why we have age limits on certain drugs, THIS is why you shouldn't use marijuana until you are an adult and your brain is fully developed. If someone had told me this when I was a teen, I would've had much more respect for them then if they had told me marijuana is no different from heroine. I may have been a teen, but I wasn't a complete idiot. Lying to our kids is NOT going to keep them off drugs. Neither is allowing the coke addict down the street to sell drugs on the corner of the road. This is what happens with prohibition. You can't control a drug that you refuse to touch. If the government wants to stop kids from getting their hands on drugs, they need to legalize and regulate. Put it behind a counter in a store that minors aren't allowed in and threaten the guy selling it with losing his business license, shop, house, car, etc. if he sells to a minor. That license should be hard to get and easy to lose. THIS is what will lessen the use of marijuana by underage teens. Prohibition just doesn't make sense, it's totally counterproductive. One of the biggest reasons that it's still illegal (or at least one of the biggest reasons that our government gives us) is that it's "not the gentle marijuana of the 60's". First of all, I find it hard to believe that we have improved on a product that has been around for 5000 (recorded) years. The "potent" weed of today that is regularly used is no more potent the marijuana we had in the 60's, it's just that it was much harder to find and more expensive to buy it back then, so most people smoked the less potent Mexican brick weed. Today, the marijuana counter-culture has grown so big, that the big growers have long since passed on their growing tips to other people, making the potent weed much more common. But here's the thing: It's no different than liquor. Anyone who drinks knows that you drink less hard liquor to get drunk than you do beer. Same with marijuana, people adjust their intake to suit the substance that they're using. If you think about it, it's actually HEALTHIER to smoke the potent weed, it's not the THC that hurts you, it's the carcinogens that you take into your lungs that causes the problem. And if you can smoke less marijuana to get the same high, then your lungs spend less time in contact with the carcinogens. Anyways, my point being, if you think more potent pot is a problem, it's all the more reason to legalize. If it were legal and regulated, we could control the amount of THC in the buds (just like we control the amount of alcohol in beer and liquor) and list it on the package, that way people always know what their getting. Yet another reason why prohibition is counterproductive. For any thinking person, regulating it is just more effective then prohibition. And don't let the government tell you it's impossible to regulate, we did a well enough job of it when we shortly legalized it in order to fund our efforts in WWII. If we did it then, we can do it now. Education is a great alternative. Unfortunately, the “education” that our government has chosen consists of telling outright BS lies that most people see for what they are. I was a teen not too long ago (I’m only 22 now) so I remember what it was like having my head filled with propaganda that I KNEW was false. Our government needs to stop lying to teens and start telling them the truth: Marijuana isn’t going to kill you, it’s NOTHING like heroine, and as far as drugs go, it’s definitely the least harmful. However, these things being said, it’s also a fact that ANY drugs have a detrimental effect on a developing adolescent brain, THIS is the reason why we have age limits on certain drugs, THIS is why you shouldn’t use marijuana until you are an adult and your brain is fully developed. If someone had told me this when I was a teen, I would’ve had much more respect for them then if they had told me marijuana is no different from heroine. I may have been a teen, but I wasn’t a complete idiot. Lying to our kids is NOT going to keep them off drugs. Neither is allowing the coke addict down the street to sell drugs on the corner of the road. This is what happens with prohibition. You can’t control a drug that you refuse to touch. If the government wants to stop kids from getting their hands on drugs, they need to legalize and regulate. Put it behind a counter in a store that minors aren’t allowed in and threaten the guy selling it with losing his business license, shop, house, car, etc. if he sells to a minor. That license should be hard to get and easy to lose. THIS is what will lessen the use of marijuana by underage teens. Prohibition just doesn’t make sense, it’s totally counterproductive. One of the biggest reasons that it’s still illegal (or at least one of the biggest reasons that our government gives us) is that it’s “not the gentle marijuana of the 60’s”. First of all, I find it hard to believe that we have improved on a product that has been around for 5000 (recorded) years. The “potent” weed of today that is regularly used is no more potent the marijuana we had in the 60’s, it’s just that it was much harder to find and more expensive to buy it back then, so most people smoked the less potent Mexican brick weed. Today, the marijuana counter-culture has grown so big, that the big growers have long since passed on their growing tips to other people, making the potent weed much more common. But here’s the thing: It’s no different than liquor. Anyone who drinks knows that you drink less hard liquor to get drunk than you do beer. Same with marijuana, people adjust their intake to suit the substance that they’re using. If you think about it, it’s actually HEALTHIER to smoke the potent weed, it’s not the THC that hurts you, it’s the carcinogens that you take into your lungs that causes the problem. And if you can smoke less marijuana to get the same high, then your lungs spend less time in contact with the carcinogens. Anyways, my point being, if you think more potent pot is a problem, it’s all the more reason to legalize. If it were legal and regulated, we could control the amount of THC in the buds (just like we control the amount of alcohol in beer and liquor) and list it on the package, that way people always know what their getting. Yet another reason why prohibition is counterproductive. For any thinking person, regulating it is just more effective then prohibition. And don’t let the government tell you it’s impossible to regulate, we did a well enough job of it when we shortly legalized it in order to fund our efforts in WWII. If we did it then, we can do it now.

]]> By: DaveinPhoenix http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/05/17/hey-how-am-i-driving-man-i-think-were-parked/comment-page-1/#comment-118047 DaveinPhoenix Mon, 18 May 2009 01:19:19 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=22677#comment-118047 Yep, you're right, Kristen. The answer to all problems shouldn't necessarily be a new law or any government solution - maybe education is the best alternative. It is frustrating to see so many wasted lives. Yep, you’re right, Kristen. The answer to all problems shouldn’t necessarily be a new law or any government solution – maybe education is the best alternative. It is frustrating to see so many wasted lives.

]]> By: lolgrammar http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/05/17/hey-how-am-i-driving-man-i-think-were-parked/comment-page-1/#comment-118046 lolgrammar Mon, 18 May 2009 01:11:39 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=22677#comment-118046 Good stuff, but please go back to grammar school and learn the difference between then and than. :) Good stuff, but please go back to grammar school and learn the difference between then and than. :)

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