( Video) Glenn Beck Vs. Charles Johnson
Posted on April 16, 2009
Update: (Perhaps a coincidence or mistake, but for some reason my account at Little Green Footballs is suddenly blocked. How odd. Surely it was just a fluke; a mistake of some kind. Maybe I should have took sides?)
It’s at about 7 minutes in on this video. Of course we aren’t taking sides. Glenn says Johnson is ludicrous and Johnson says Glenn is a punk. You decide.
Today’s Glenn Beck expert: Charles Johnson, a jazz musician, software programmer and writer for the blog “Little Green Footballs.”
Johnson says: “I don’t know if he’s necessarily going to incite violence, but I do think it’s irresponsible. It kind of drags down the discourse to a level that I, for one, am not comfortable with.”
As evidence of this lowered discourse, he posted a video that supposedly showed a fan of mine yelling “burn the books” at a 9/12 project meeting. Only later, did someone do the two clicks of research that showed she was actually just a liberal there to make fun of the gathering.
That’s not really the point. There probably are a couple of stupid people at the meetings. There always will be stupid people saying stupid things. There will always be violent people doing violent things.
But the insinuation that this network is somehow responsible or approving of anything violent is ludicrous and quite honestly a destructive attempt to silence free speech. That’s something blogger Charles Johnson should know about, since he’s been called an anti-Muslim bigot by most of the same people that unfairly said the same things about me.
We’ve come to a place where we’re not even playing a game of “blame the messenger,” it’s a game of “blame the messenger who’s specifically saying the opposite message.”
That message — for the one trillionth time — is: If you are considering violence against anyone who isn’t a pirate off the coast of Somalia, you are not only wrong, you are an enemy of the state and an enemy of freedom and liberty.
The Founding Fathers fought and died for our freedom so that we would have the structure available to achieve change without doing the same.
And you know that: 300,000 people peacefully gathered yesterday and honored our founders. That’s why today, instead of an honest critique of the spending of Barack Obama, George W Bush and both sides of the aisle in Congress, you’re getting non-stop “tea bag” jokes and accusations.
It’s almost like they want to distract you from what’s really important.
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Charles Johnson is turning (has turned) into a Leftist following almost the exact same trajectory as Andrew Sullivan did. To Charles the Tea Parties were “Ron Paul Parties,” and the “vast middle” of America support Obama’s socialist policies.
Sorry Chuckie, but your a dinosaur.
“…you’re a dinosaur.”
Thing is, Charles was never really anything but left of center. He found common cause with the right in the wake of 9/11 with regard to national defense, but that’s it; and as the importance of that issue fades in the public eye, his left-leaning nature is reasserting itself.
He’s weathered so many attacks on his character from radicals and trolls that he’s come to view the slightest disagreement with his views as a direct threat. He’s accumulated a dedicated group of followers who insist he can do no wrong, with the result that he’s begun to believe it himself; he doesn’t *need* to suffer anyone else’s opinion.
He’s done good in the past. It’s not his fault, really…anyone perpetually at the center of a shower of ass-pats can start to believe in their own infallibility. Look at any major celebrity in modern times – they didn’t all start out that way, y’know.
Anton
Charles was never a conservative… he is a 9/11 Democrat, but he has become a megalomaniac with an anti-religion obsession. He tolerates no dissent on his blog and has an enemies list that rivals Nixon’s.
He did wonderful work on the Rather FauxMemo and was a champion of working against Islamofascism. But that has devolved horribly.
This Mr. Beck person makes good sense and he seems a lot classier than the Charles Johnson one. The Charles Johnson one pouts and pouts and I can’t imagine who cares.
Charles Johnson is a liberal moron.Period. He “became” a conservative on 9/11 and an “expert” [HA!] on conservatism on 9/12.
But in reality ,if you needed the “visual aid” of watching planes fly into buildings before you “became” a conservative you are nothing more than a cowardly joiner.
But if anyone needed any other evidence of chuckie’s major issues….how many conservatives do you know are against free speech?
I’m going to stick up for Charles Johnson at LGF because he is one of those people that clearly sees the WoT and the threat of creeping sharia and Islamofascism.
I’m also a Beck fan that knows Glenn is speaking from the heart and via his own research.
Glenn is a religious conservative, and Johnson waxes more Southpark conservative. Both have excellent points, both have something to offer, but neither is 100% right or wrong about everything.
Do they already know who their seconds are going to be?
Wow this is weird. Just today I deleted LGF from my favorites folder. I just couldn’t understand where he was going with his blog. Then I come across your comments and they make me see what I have been feeling for some time. Same kind of feeling came across to me in 2001 when I stopped reading the NYT.
John…do you really feel the need to stick up for Charles? Are you trying to put his “minions” out of work?
On a serious note, to put chuckie in the same league with Glenn Beck or Hugh Hewitt is quite unfair to both the aforementioned men.They actually believe in something other than themselves…charles is an ego maniacal [edited],and the only thing he thinks is important is his own opinion.
He and Obama have a lot in common…they both think they are the second coming……
Mike…BINGO! I am removing his trashy site from my sidebar tonight.
We dumped LGF from the blogroll (and from my bloglines) quite a while back. How many times can I read the same anti-creationist post over and over again? Charles is going the way of the Kommissar and it’s a shame. LGF was the first blog I really loved, but all good things eventually die.
littlegreenfootballs use to be a good site…NOW it is ALL about exposing European Nazis and mocking Intelligent Design and Creationisn……BORING!!!!!!
I deleted my LGF bookmark last week.
“That’s something blogger Charles Johnson should know about, since he’s been called an anti-Muslim bigot by most of the same people that unfairly said the same things about me.”
You say that like it was a bad thing…
I stopped going over to LGF a LONG TIME AGO.
I’m going to stick up for Charles Johnson at LGF because he is one of those people that clearly sees the WoT and the threat of creeping sharia and Islamofascism.
If you replace the “sees” with “saw” your note is more accurate. He has few posts on GWOT, Islamo-fascism or the latest multi-cultural outrage anymore.
Charles Johnson made his reputation at Little Green Footballs by helping debunk Dan Rather’s pathetic attempts to smear Bush with phony National Guard documents. He also spends a lot of time documenting the Islamofascists phenomenon. In fact this latter issue is his primary focus.
But he seems to have a bee in his bonnet about evolution. It’s a theory he cherishes, adores and holds dear. And he will not let an opportunity pass to smear or otherwise demean people who believe in God.
Have you ever been in a situation where someone you thought was on your side, reveals something that made you wish that he was not identified with you? Made you want to leave the room? That’s how I feel about Johnson.
I’m sorry to say that this is an ugly side of Johnson that has made his blog something that I now wish to avoid. It makes you wonder what other issues he’s rabid about.
“Wow this is weird. Just today I deleted LGF from my favorites folder.”
Okay, so it’s *not* just me.
Hmmmm…now I’m blocked at LGF. I guess thats what I get for not taking sides.
Dittoes on used to make LGF a regular read. It’s been a year or more since I last stopped by there. The guy is a borderline kook.
Charles Johnson believes the earth is billions of years old! What an idiot!
I normally couldn’t care less, but in this case I think Johnson has made WAAAAY too much out of this video. The guy talking is clearly a nut, and everyone in the room is making fun of him or trying very hard not to make eye contact with him. The “applause” is people clapping and laughing when the girl sarcastically yells “burn the books!”.
I am in the every growing number of people who no longer bother with LGF. As most posters have pointed out, Charles Johnson is a leftist, and a rabid, intolerant one at that.
Mind you, I do check it out occasionally, just to see if it is still bad. Impressively, it is actually getting worse. Charles Johnson is a bore!
LGF can be interesting and informative when Johnson is not ranting about the Creationists, by which he seems to mean anyone not a fully committed Darwinist. But lately he does little more than rant against the Creationists and so, because the whole Creationism/Darwinism debate is stupid and boring, I don’t go there much any more.
TO: Whomever
RE: Don’t….
“Perhaps a coincidence or mistake, but for some reason my account at Little Green Footballs is suddenly blocked. How odd. Surely it was just a fluke mistake of some kind” — whomever
….feel like the ‘lone ranger’. Charles Johnson killed me after I started making solid args about God on his Little Green Footballs blog site.
He is, in my honestly held opinion, nothing more, nor anything less than the sort of people he frequently rails about: a petty tyrant in his own little green kingdom who will kill whomever disagrees with him.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....and Charles is NOT going to like it one bit.]
Ooo…
Now Charles is mad a Glenn Reynolds for linking to this blogpost!
He has turned into a petty tyrant. More living proof that 100% pure self-righteousness is the pathway to tyranny and purges… and a secular, “rational” mindset is no protection.
I liked LGF for a long time, and I don’t really mind all the anti-creationist posts. It is his passion of the week. It does get tedious though.
It is just lately Charles has started to sound like a conspiracy nut himself. Every single thing is some how tainted by kooks, Ron Paulians, or nuts. These kooks are somehow in control of the right wing media!, every single vent, Beck, Rush, etc all. Or being promoted by them.
I stopped going to LGF when Johnson decided Orthodox Christianity and Islam were just the same. There is nothing worth reading there that is worth putting up with the mocking of my religious faith.
And what he did regarding the video of a book burner linking it to Glenn Beck is not a lick different than what Rather did with the faux Bush memo.
I didn’t read that as him being mad at Mr. Reynolds.
“That person used LGF to promote his blog relentlessly. No more.”
That doesn’t sound like anger, ‘feets? Sounds like he’s excommunicating Insty too.
Man! What a coincedence. I was just barred from LGF for writing him and telling him to get off the creationist and nazi stuff. Ofcourse, I used some mildly embarrassing phrases to describe him.
ok, i don’t go to LGF much any more either. But, let’s be real.
We can not forget Rathergate. Or his lasering in on fauxotography.
Even now he says useful things. Yeah he’s harsh on ID, but, please, hopefully everyone here knows that that stuff has the potential to destroy Republican’s.
It is too important for R’s too win and not become a circus for the lefty press.
LGF has turned to crap. It is nothing but a dictatorship of Charles Johnson speaking and his mindless cultists following. If you stray from the path, you get the boot.
I am about the most anti-religious mofo around and I got sick and tired of the guy beating a dead horse with the creationist stuff. I guess that’s where he wants his blog to go… instead of the war on terror/Islamic fundamentalist thing he has turned his guns towards Christians and right-leaning pundits.
How is Charles any different than a standard brain-dead liberal?
It is amazing to me that people still visit his website… of course, this doesn’t apply to the people who only visit to just watch the evolving train wreck. I’m taking about the remaining ones that still buy CJ’s garbage.
I think he means this blog was promotey, dicentra. Not Mr. Reynolds’. But maybe I’m missing something.
I stopped reading Charles Johnson when he got on his “I see Nazi’s” kick.
“I saw a Nazi on a TV show with that guy, he must be a Nazi too!” – “Is that Odin’s cross on his bookshelf? – He’s a Nazi” “Doesn’t that guy shadow look like he has a Hitler mustache? he’s a Nazi” “Did all those bloggers get invited to an international event about Islamic extremism, and I didn’t ? THEY’RE ALL NAZI’S” I have a feeling he likes to ride his bike without the saddle too.
Charles Johnson is an idiot. I’d go to his site to tell him that, but you have to register to comment, and I hear he’s banning dissenters anyway.
Roger that Moneyrunner. He deleted some perfectly legitimate comments that I’d written on one of his anti-Creationist threads a while back. I remember feeling absolute shock that someone who had seemed to be such a champion of free speech could be so intolerant and downright nasty. It’s really good to know I’m not alone. Charles, if you’re reading these comments, wake up and smell the roses that your God so lovingly CREATED for you sometime around 4000 BC. (HA!)
Sullivan jumped the shark when he started talking about his sleep apnea machine and got fixated on gay marriage. LGF boy jumped the shark when every moment on his site was devoted to attacks on creationism.
Add LGF to yet more pundits and bloggers who cease being interesting, and start getting on my nerves.
I quit you LGF. Link removed after 5+ years in the top 10 of my Blogs to visit. Not that I visited much in the past year or so anyway.
Charles is a free thinking liberal. If I could get him to make as big a stink about bailouts as he does about creationism it would be good times again.
Look, even Herbert Hoover gave speeches to audiences that included Josef Stalin. Some of this absolutist demands of Charles is quite alarming.
If anything at all, he’s sticking to his guns. I listened to the comment at the 9/12 meeting. The book burning suggestion sounds more like hyperbole. As I’ve been to both left and right wing events to hear people speak you really do get a lot of suggestions that are sincere and realist and others that are just plain out of this world.
Usually, the last person to speak at the event is probably the craziest of the night.
When I finally gave up and deleted “LGF” from my “favorites” list last week, I felt a little bad about it. For years (since Rather’s fake but true episode) I had used LGF as a sort of “clipping service,” since I figured he would come across or have brought to his attention almost anything of interest in the war on terror. The other stuff was often in the way, but was sometimes interesting. Then it got less interesting, and finally it got to be either boring or irritating. When I realized that I was skipping that blog more often than not, and that I went to it with a little dread rather than interest, I clicked “delete.” I guess it wasn’t just me.
If anyone had any, and I mean ANY doubts that charles is nothing more than a lefty tool look at how he deals with people that even ask him questions. He and his toadies immediately start referring to you [the poster that was silly enough to ask the question] as “it”. As in “oh, look IT has a blog”
That was actually the “high crime” that I committed. I asked why he was so into the creationist thing and was told by all his little toadies that I “shouldn’t ask questions.”
The second crime I committed? I hadn’t mentioned that I had a blog. Really? Why should I? And wouldn’t little chuck then accuse me of “using his blog to promote my own”???
He likes to go on and on [and on] about ron paul [hey, I am not a fan either] because [so he says]it “pollutes” the cause.
Good grief…isn’t that EXACTLY what chuckie is doing to conservatives? He isn’t a conservative, wouldn’t know a real one if it jumped up and bit him in the arse [better Jay?][[Yes...but it wasn't Jay. Lobo]]and does not speak for any conservative. He needs to slither back to KOS where he really belongs.
Yes, I understand the RatherGate thing was good…but at this point it falls in the same category as “Hitler did lovely watercolors”…which he did, but he was still Hitler at the end of the day wasn’t he?
Now, of course, charles is hardly Hitler…BUT, the way he treats people and the way he throws his “minions” at anyone who dares to have an opinion of their own is frankly quite chilling.
And that is what is really hurting conservatives right now….phony posers like him.
Charles Johnson jumped the shark about two years ago. As for comparisons with Sullivan, I think that may be an insult to Sullivan. At least Sullivan can put together a five paragraph essay, even if it is incoherent.
I think Charles is someone with whom I agree on somethings, and disagree with on other things. I agree with him on the middle east and on creationism. I disagree with him on other issues.
Kind of like Mr. Beck. As for violence, I sincerely hope to avoid it, but know that not everyone feels that way. I hope to retain the option of responding with violence to protect myself and my family until legitimate help arrives to help.
Plan for violence? No. Plan to protect myself from the violence of others? Every day. The only people who would be offended by me protecting myself would be those who may intend to use violence. You know who you are.
I really see him as being more like Al Gore than Andrew S.
Between Al and Charles, who do you think would be the most likely to use the following argument?
All the scientists agree, there should be no futher discussion and anyone who disagrees is an evil kook or moron mouth breather who must be controlled.
It’s too bad that he got so obsessed. He had/has so much to offer. Sadly, his site has become one tiring anti-Creationism crusade. It’s unreadable now.
I still have LGF in my Google reader, but there seems to be little point to that now because all I end up doing is marking all of the posts read without opening any of them.
It’s just anti-Christian and Nazi conspiracy nutter stuff now.
[He needs to slither back to KOS where he really belongs.]
OK. No. Charles has never and will never belong at Daily Kos. “Screw them”. Remember that. LGF was a huge part of the pushback for that skullduggery from Kos.
Bill Quick is another loon who is taking a leftward turn (although he clearly never had the success as LGF did). He tolerates no questions on his poorly-written blog, even if they are polite. He quickly devolves into vulgarity when faced with questions that don’t fit his narrative. He is pro-Amnesty, and anyone who opposes Amnesty is a racist according to DailyPundit. All are lefty traits.
He has had a couple of meltdowns in just the last week.
Plus he has gender confusion issues (authoring novels under a *female* pseudonym of Margaret something), and lives very near to the Castro District of San Francisco (which is Homo Central USA). Of course he is a lefty.
WTF
It is so sad because now Charles is out-Kossing Markos himself.
He or his ankle-licking followers are trolling threads looking for people who used to have accounts there so they can be banned, like Jay above.
WTF….perhaps you are right. But he does use the same “arguments” and language to suppress free speech and other’s opinions.
So really, what is the difference?
LGF was useful during the years that the WoT was intense (9/11 until about 2007).
Now, the WoT has receded in importance, and LGF doesn’t have a niche anymore.
I’m one of those 9/11 conservatives. Like Charles, I’m a musician. Unlike Charles, I don’t find creationism alarming. I was raised to not discuss religion with strangers, and that’s how I live my life.
Most of my favorite blogs are run by people who are likely devout Christians and who would therefore be closer to the creationist end of the spectrum than I am.
I don’t care. I agree with them on most issues, especially the really important ones. It’s none of my business what they believe. And, if they live in states that pass laws allowing schools to teach creationism along with evolution, that’s none of my business, too. That’s what happens in republics. The states decide what they’re going to do.
Charles lost me a year ago. It’s too bad. He did some good work.
I got banned from LGF, too, for disagreeing with Charles. My completely civil posts were deleted.
Then, like a day later, after he made fun of comments on a liberal site, the liberal site claimed LGF would never even allow such a discourse. LGF denied the claim which is obviously true. I sent Charles an email from my work pointing out what a hypocrite he was for banning my contrary opinion and
even deleting my posts. Soon afterward, my work IP address is blocked from accessing LGF.
LGF used to be interesting. Something happens to prominent bloggers. I believe Charles has had his “Andrew Sullivan moment” where he has gone from what seems very reasonable to over the edge.
I believe in evolution and I also believe that Charles Johnson is a giant douche.
His “ban the books” video is one lefty chick walking into a small gathering at a bar, videoing it, yelling “ban the books,” and thinking this is some gotcha moment.
“I got banned from LGF, too, for disagreeing with Charles. My completely civil posts were deleted. ”
Yes. When a blogger starts doing this, they have moved over to the left. This is the way the left operates, not the right or libertarians.
Bill Quick has done the same (except that he never had the success of LGF). The same pattern every time a former pro-US person makes a sharp left turn.
Oh, but you have.
You see, when you’re an egomaniacal cult leader like CJ, not taking his side is equivalent to taking the other side. It’s just the way it works.
I mean, think about it. If, after CJ drew a line in the sand and called Beck a “punk”, some lizard over there simply posted “I’m not taking sides”, they’d be gone. You doing it over here doesn’t make a bit of difference.
Add to that the fact that you’re actually allowing criticism of CJ over here, well, he probably couldn’t have clicked the big green ban button any faster.
Charles has created a glass house where dissenting discussion is not allowed. He wants yes men, all day, all the time all while bitching about intolerant fascists and extremists.
He’s rapidly deleting anyone who doesn’t agree with him 100% on every single one of the eccentric list of issues he’s rallying against.
Doesn’t he realize he basically IS Glen Beck with a blog?
“LGF boy jumped the shark when every moment on his site was devoted to attacks on creationism.”
It’s true.
Now he’s moved on to vaccinations… all while having an idntity crisis fighting “unfair” criticism of Obama, and purposely obscuring the difference between the Right, the Religious Right, and conspiracy white power fringe.
You guys are getting a bit carried away in my opinion. Charles is one man and his site is about his own ideas. You all agreed with him on libtards and Islamofascists; now the news on those fronts has taken a back seat and he is talking about stuff you disagree with him on. Its his blog, and its perfectly reasonable to disagree on whether fringe politics is or is not your flavour.
I started there a long time ago and dropped it because the commenters included some real ratbags. Now if I go I never read the comments and its miles better!
Charles Johnson and LGF didn’t accidentally take a clip of a liberal agent provateur yelling “burn the books” any more than he accidentally took a one frame screen grab of W leaning over to receive a medal from the king of saudi arabia and call that Bush’s bow to the king.
As a liberal he’s constitutionally incapable of making an honest argument when the demons in his head tell him he is being persecuted. Any day now LGF will go wall-to-wall with the equivalent of hysterical Andy’s obsession with one of the Palin babies or Capt Quiq’s hunt for 2 quarts of strawberries.
Remember kids, when some young earth creationists petition a textbook committee it’s exactly like the Taliban chopping off the hands of theives, exactly. I know this because Johnson’s paranoid postings say it.
ChrisPer, it’s not that many of us are disagreeing with his new favorite topics. The affront has become his total inability to tolerate disagreement when he is asked legitimate questions regarding those topics. You’re right, he is but one man and one website. Personally, I am disappointed to watch someone that for years I admired and looked to for information metastasize into someone so hateful and intolerant of his own Christian audience. Guess it was a relationship that was never meant to be. So long, Charlie.
I asked before: Who is Andrew Sullivan? Now I have to ask who is this Johnson guy? Little Green Footballs I know but do not have time to visit the site. Guess more of my time can be spent over at Team Sarah’s or Smart Girl’s Politics, now.
When Conservative Women change like the men seem to have then I will take sides and leave them.
FAT CHANCE OF THAT HAPPENING.
“for some reason my account at Little Green Footballs is suddenly blocked.”
Charles Johnson turned LGF into an echo chamber quite a while ago. Don’t expect him to let you back in.
Charles Johnson is smearing Rush because Johnson doesn’t know anything about ad buys on syndicated radio. Of course, since he bans anyone with less than 100% devotion to him he’s unlikely to ever learn of the dishonesty of his smear, which fits nicely with his other dishonest attempts lately.
I have never seen anything like the insanity at LGF.
I used to go there quite frequently, but the non-stop anti-creation binge Charles has been going on was too much.
He also seems to think that everyone is either a Ron Paul supporter or Nazi supporter.
I think he bans more people than the dailykos.
Charles can keep his crazy little kingdom.
LGF was turning into a creepy echo chamber.
Good riddance.
TO: All
RE: Most Places….
….where I’ve been banned have been operated by atheists and the ‘banning’ is over my expression of my Christian faith.
LGF is just the same.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Consider it all joy....]
As our country slides into socialism, and psychotic jihadists work feverishly on obtaining nukes, Charles’ biggest worry is…creationists!
No movement is 100% pure, but the Tea Parties are as pure as it gets. I know 20 people who’ve never been to a protest who went to these, and they could give a rats [edited] about Ron Paul. These are middle class working stiffs writing their own (correctly spelled!) signs, showing up in there own cars, protesting passionately but peacefully because they see the country they love going the wrong direction. It’s as American as America gets.
The fact that Charles tolerates no dissent, follows individual people around on the internet, bans their accounts and then blocks their IP address, shows that the man has completely come off the rails.
I have never seen anything like this type of paranoid schizophrenia on the internet.
At LGF, Charles was asked by a poster to give an example of a conservative he liked. Charles responded – Krauthammer and Victor Davis Hanson. That is all well and good. Too bad no one followed up and asked Charles “who do you think Krauthammer and VDH would have more in common with – you or Glenn Beck?” Charles thinks everyone but he is suddenly nuts. He’d be pained to learn that guys like Steyn, VDH, the cartoon guys that made his lizard logo, and many others think he’s gone kinda stupid.
About the Jazz musician comment from Beck – that one really bothered Charles. So much so, that he quickly informed his lizards that he, Charles, “has two gold and one platinum” record(s). Funny that I never heard of the guy. Nor has his lizards as most of them were surprised to hear this. It shows that for all their idol-worship of the man, they have really very little interest in him. No one cared to learn more about his personal history. Charles had to tell them! And he was happy to do so.
I’ll defend Charles Johnson for being a rational reasoned person. I can’t say the same for Glen Beck.
I used to read LGF daily – multiple times daily, in fact – but I don’t anymore. No huge loss.
I was one of the first regulars on LGF after 9/11. Over the last few months I have started visiting the site less and less, and now I’ve permanently deleted LGF from my bookmark list.
I can’t abide the man’s increasing intolerance, paranoia, creationist monomania and the disturbing cult-like chorus of his commenters. It’s a sad sight.
To those of you who’re a little peeved about having your account blocked at LGF remember this. It’s Mr. Johnson’s site so it’s Mr. Johnson’s rules. You’d be none too happy if your house guest took a dump on your living room couch. You’d most likely never invite them to your home again. In much the same way Mr. Johnson feels opinions different from his are like excrement on his couch. Of course, it hurts the credibility of his blog and will drive traffic away but that’s his prerogative.
The bottom line is if Charles Johnson wants to be an anal orifice with his blog he has every right to do so. If you don’t like it, don’t visit. (but then we also have the right to call him out for it, too.)
Charles’ pony needs to learn a new trick.
I was a regular visitor to LFG till recently. The nazi/creationist line is way overdone.
“But the insinuation that this network is somehow responsible or approving of anything violent is ludicrous and quite honestly a destructive attempt to silence free speech.”
It’s ridiculous when liberals use this line, and it’s equally ridiculous as used here. “A destructive attempt to silence free speech”? Really? The cops were called and asked you to not talk and then dragged out downtown in cuffs when you didn’t comply? That being said I like both guys. I think the conservative crowd is just annoyed that Johnson doesn’t buy into creationism hook line and sinker. Not sure what is so wrong about that. Folks are allowed to have their own thoughts on how the world was created.
TO: Jack
RE: Actually….
“The cops were called and asked you to not talk and then dragged out downtown in cuffs when you didn’t comply?” — Jack
….it’s considerably worse.
Charles Johnson ‘kills’ people in HIS Little Green Footballs kingdom.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[If you can't beat them, kill them.]
Beck’s correct, Johnson is a race baiting punk.
And yeah, he banned me from his site over a year ago for not being enough of a Jewish cheerleader.
My account was blocked in LGF last week, too, after I wrote a two-line post critical of Johnson’s recent tone. That’s fine since I rarely post there any more, so I just don’t care, but really – shades of KosKids evicting and silencing anyone but the sycophants.
CJ jumped my arse in the comments just for *suggesting* that it *might be* counter productive to do the left’s dirty work for them by smearing Beck, Hannity, etc. Then I remembered that CJ is a liberal, and he’s doing what comes natural to him – squashing dissent, and acting like an egomaniac whose opinion is fact.
I am done with LGF. It’s a toilet now.
If you think Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck is the voice of freedom’s future, then you have no idea what is about to hit you. None.
I have to post here under a pseudonym because what I have to say will result in my being banned at LGF. Much of what people are saying is accurate. Charles is a LOC 9/11 person who gained prominence after Rathergate and Fauxtography scandals. He has done a lot of good things in the blogosphere but this has been tempered by his crusade against creationists and European white supremacists.
While the site used to have interesting dialogs and discussions, now the utility rests in the links. The threads are usually tirades against the aforementioned suspects and more recently conservatives who don’t find acceptance in Charles’ eyes.
One has to consider that the blog is his creation and he crafts the rules. Unfortunately, there has been a descent into darkness which I suspect will lead to irrelevency.
I can remember when Right-thinking.com became pretty much exclusively bushtortureseveryoneincludinggirlscouts.com and anyone who strayed the path in the least was denigrated.
Funny but essentially, I agree(d) with Lee and Charles points but OMFG, when the horse is not only dead but run through a Hussein wood chipper; then fed to ANOTHER horse that’s again beaten dead – drop it already!
The sad part is – if this was sixth grade, Beck and Johnson would just meet at the flagpole after school; slap each other around and probably end up best buds.
I got kicked for calling someone a tard after they called me unintelligent… he said he wasnt going to let me name call but the other guy he left alone cause he was defending chuck, then he scrubbed my comments like he rips on others for doing. I have seen him call other worse things and his i get kicked for not agreeing with him. He is a petty tyrant whos positions are so weak they cant withstand debate so he kicks and cries. A pure jacka**.
Please, do enlighten us, hdd. Vague, threatening portents are far more interesting if spiced up with a detail or two. Something cryptic but creepy, think “M. Night Shaymalan.”
Or at least twirl your mustache menacingly, or something.
TO: All
RE: Upon Reflection….
….of Charles Johnson’s obvious hatred of Christians and of God, e.g., focusing his anger at ‘creationism’ and ‘intelligent design’ and the ‘killing’ of those who disagree with him on those topics….
….I’m seeing the proverbial chickens ‘coming home to roost’.
I was initially ‘disappointed’ to discover I’d been ‘killed’ by Charles at LGF, but that still small voice told me, “Patience.”
Well….
…..look at what’s happened here?
Johnson’s LGF kingdom is the only web-site I’m aware of that has been brought out into the light of day and exposed for what it’s done. I see a ‘Hand’—one of rebuke—in this matter. And the writing on the wall is obvious to the intelligent observer.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Mene. Mene. Tekel. Upharsin.]
Charles Johnson is having way too much fun at your expense. He is eating up this hatred and in the process…
…exposing the interminable brotherhood between the worst dominionist elements of the republican party and the religious folks who believe Noah’s Ark is the reason for the Earth’s biodiversity. Charles, perhaps single-handedly, has made this crew into a laughing stock; which is why you obsess over his every move and participate in a “2-minute hate” on every blog in which his name is mentioned. Does anyone really care if LGF is no longer bookmarked in your browser? (Internet Explorer 5 or Netscape 3.0, of course)
Why do you think Glenn Reynolds linked to this piece? It is always best to let the crazy ostracize itself.
LGF had been my first stop on my daily blog tour for quite awhile. Then he got stuck on two issues, both of which have some merit, but neither of which is as one-dimensional as he portrays them. The first was the association of some euro right-wing fringe groups in the fight against the morphing of Eurabia; the second, as has been duly noted, is his denunciation of all things not in lock step with Darwin.
I have no problem with evolution to a point. But I also step back, look at the majesty of life, and cannot imagine all of this without the hand of God involved in whatever way He wanted to meddle with His creation. That notion makes me a persona non grata in Charles’ little world.
His feud with Pam Geller of Atlas Shrugs over the former issue is also sad. They should be, and were allies. She’s told me that she regrets the split, but that he’s driven it.
I still visit his site, maybe once a week, hoping to see it break out of the rut in which Charles has it parked. So far, nada. Might be time to cut the cord..
Johnson has gone off the deep end. (Andrew Sullivan anyone) I use to be a regular at LGF, before teh crazy set in. And he blocks anyone that hints of disagreement. I’m newly banned from his site, and can’t say it’s not a good thing.
Just what is about to hit us? Since you have the answers, perhaps you’d care to share.
I haven’t been back to LGF for a while. I made a comment after hearing about Gitmo detainees getting released back into their folds.
Basically I said that our troops should just change their policy from capture to kill.
Big mistake. I had Little Green Robots everywhere, frothing about how advocating violence – even against admitted enemies of the US – is not allowed. Of course, I counted about half a dozen other posts from “veteran” posters saying the same thing, only slightly differently than me.
I apologized for the rule violation, and requested that all other posts advocating violence be removed as well. My request ended at about a -15 when last I last looked.
Oh well. Let Charles the Whiner feel threatened if it makes him feel better. The rest of us will look at him – and his koolaid drinkers – as nothing but sheer cowards who would lay down at the first sight of an AK-47.
TO: Grace
RE: Maybe….
“Just what is about to hit us? Since you have the answers, perhaps you’d care to share.” — Grace
….you’d be less cryptic and ‘care to share’ some attribution here. Who said something is “about to hit us”?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[New crypt. See /usr/news/crypt. -- A System User's Nightmare]
Why doesn’t it shock me that he banned you for NOT taking sides? You must agree with his every word or you’re banned. Killgore and the few bootlickers left have it down to a science.
Also, how long until he starts whining incessantly about all the mean things people are saying about him? His thin skinned martyrs complex is beyond annoying.
TO: Jeff
RE: Wowzers!
“Basically I said that our troops should just change their policy from capture to kill.
Big mistake. I had Little Green Robots everywhere, frothing about how advocating violence….” — Jeff
Thinks HAVE changed over at LGF!
I guess Charles has indeed gone back to his 9/10 ‘liberal’ mentality. The anti-Christian bent was evidently an early indication of the resurgence of his previous illness.
Thanks for the information.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[A leopard may be able to change its spots. But apparently it's only a temporary change.]
P.S. I guess Charles’ ’spotted hair’ was ’singed’ by 9/11. And since then it has grown back in all it’s rapacious ‘gory’.
Thanks for the kudos, Chuck(le)… I was able to handle the anti-creationist line he was putting out (it’s a difference of opinion), but it started rapidly going downhill after he started going after Geert Wilders, who is arguably one of the most important fighters of islamofacism overseas.
But when you can’t make a comment about granting our own troops the ability to kill combatants, enough is enough.
Jeff,
Maybe he was hoping you would have called for a strongly worded letter instead. I agee, kill them on th battlefield and then no worries with GitMo or Obama trying to give unlawfull fighters constitutional rights. If all the world has them why is he not sueing someone, after all he was a lawyer right?
TO: Jeff
RE: You’re Welcome
“Thanks for the kudos….” — Jeff
I appreciated the additional ‘intelligence’ as I’ve not visited LGF since I was ‘killed’ for debating on PRO side of the issue of ‘Intelligent Design’.
RE: He IS ‘Threatened’
“Let Charles the Whiner feel threatened if it makes him feel better.” — Jeff
But not REALLY by the likes of Christians. Rather it is all in his mind about God. We who witness to Him are just evidence that he could well be very, very ‘wrong’. And in order to do away with that sort of evidence, he, like the HAL 9000 in 2001, has to do away with such evidence. So he ‘kills’ it.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Ignorance here is less than bliss. -- Newsboys, Truth Be Known]
Johnson’s done great work battling Islamic terrorism. For that I’m grateful. Beck, until his recent apocalyptic panic mongering, was a charming, humorous conservative. I don’t disagree with Johnson on a lot of the evolution stuff. But I question why it’s so important to him that it requires dozens of obsessive blog posts that alienate allies in the anti-terror movement. It reminds me of Andrew Sullivan and his gay marriage obsession. And you know where that led.
If you want to get a really good idea how far Johnson and LGF has fallen go over there and look how vigorously Johnson is defending this weeks DHS report on “right wing extremism” and its insinuation veterans should be feared as future terrorist.
Johnson and his sycophants are disgracing themselves.
I like to visit LGF daily and I appreciate all the Charles has done from Rathergate to his steady focus on Islamofacsism.
I dont’ visit as often because I’m not interested in the creationist talk. I’d prefer that he wouldn’t make his website so one-dimensional, but it’s his website and he can do with it what he wants.
I’m assuming that he’s an atheist and because of that any attempts to bring religion into a science curriculum is alarming just as I find atheists’ attempts to remove God from our money, the Pledge of Allegiance and federal buildings alarming.
But I don’t have a blog where I can rip into those atheists that tie up our court system and endlessly fight over what the majority want. If I did and I was irritated by commenters, I might consider banning some, but that would be my choice since it would be my blog.
I suspect that Charles is trying to break from conservatives just as he broke from liberals over the War on Terror in 2001. Rather than simply acknowledging that he has doesn’t agree with many of the religious-oriented aspects of the right, he gets in fights and can then blame them for driving him away.
I don’t have cable and therefore don’t see any of these shows. Personally I think personality-driven programming annoying because it always focuses on the person and not the issue. Since all of us are flawed, the flaws make the hosts into caricatures.
Pop psychology, I know. Just my two cents.
Wow – just got to this thread directly from LGF, so I think reports of censorship over there are a bit exaggerated…
The people who despise Charles are mostly Creationists, and they certainly have a right to their feelings.
Charles is a very intelligent, very practical guy, who realizes the implications of the Creationist push in education and in the Creationist proselytizing on his blog. These implications are very negative, politically speaking.
1) Like it or not, the Republican Party is the only available vehicle to stop Obama’s programs and ideology at this moment. People can talk all they want about ideas and third parties, but Obama must be stopped now, and that involves breaking his momentum.
2) The Republican Party is in a quite weakened condition, and Creationists from Huckabee to the people pushing Creationism on LGF are working very actively to take it over and make it a vehicle for their agenda. This is their right, obviously, but since Creationism is a point of view with a very small percentage of voters (and which indeed many people find threatening), if they succeed at taking over the Republican Party it will most likely become insignificant and the Obama people will then be able to do whatever they want.
This would be a very bad outcome indeed, and Charles is correct in seeing it coming. The people who complain here about being banned despite being polite are the very people who posted one thing after another about Creationism which paid no attention to the back-and-forth discussion that is a highlight of LGF threads.
They would assert, for instance, that the complicated nature of the eye proves that God was involved. Some biologist would contradict this cogently and knowledgeably, and they would just repeat their assertions, with an “I believe” thrown in, as though that were an argument in and of itself. It got so tedious. Every topic turned into a struggle between people with all kinds of evidence and people who said “I believe”. The believers were asked either to make arguments or be quiet, and they did neither, simply clogging up the threads with their assertions. Charles lost patience, and who can blame him – if you’re going to proselytize, you could at least argue!
Our Creationists are well known to make common cause with Muslims who are also Creationists, and who use this as yet another wedge to break apart Western ideals. How can you say that you are for Charles’ anti-jihad politics while you join forces with Muslims in an intellectual/political realm like this?
Charles may well be a liberal, but of the Classical variety, in other words pretty much the exact opposite of today’s leftists. Free Speech, no ad hominum attacks, no ideology or religion which closes out open discussion of the issues, etc.
I’m all for that. And I’m all for the Republican Party being strong enough to take on Obama. Creationists make this very much harder to achieve, and I wish they would stop trying to take over the Republican Party for their own ends. They will never achieve political power beyond the force of their numbers, which are relatively small, but if they manage to take down the Republican Party in their attempt to control its agenda, they will do the cause of freedom and economic common sense irreparable damage.
[This is probably why the MSM pay them so much attention, but that's another post.]
For what it’s worth, Glen Beck is certifiable a wacky cook-ball. Remeber the creepy giant-eyes segment? Ack…
Charles Johnson is an individualist who sees the Socon side of the conservative shpere for what it is: a joke and a noose. You guys are all up in arms over his hate for Creationism? No wonder I’m on board with him. You all really believe in that crap? I will now do everything possible to keep you from power. And no, I’m not a leftist.
James Richman
I said nothing about creationism, i just called someone a tard after they called me names and he said i was gone for calling names. Ok so maybe i should not have told chuck to stop being a dhimmi but come on he should have thicker skin. So much for free exchange of ideas and opinions huh? They he scrubbed me which he slams other sites for, just sad.
“Let Charles the Whiner feel threatened if it makes him feel better.”
“You really believe all that crap”
This is why we have flame wars. I found this site from the link at Instapundit. And thought I’d read what Jay posted and what Charles posted. But you get to the comment section and Charles is referred to as Chuckie the Tyrant (I’m assuming someone thought it was funny to use the Chuckie name from the horror movies) and his supporters calling religion crap.
As I said above I always try to read LGF. I don’t like that he’s made his site so one-dimensional, but it’s his choice. Does that make me a creationist because I believe in God? Is God and believing in God crap? Is criticism of Glenn Beck really worth defending in this manner. Can’t he take care of himself? Sheesh, have an open mind.
I’m a Catholic (not one of those pick and choose types) that doesn’t believe that our science classrooms should be politicized either by including religion or so-called man-made global warming. If you disagree convince me otherwise.
But people need to stop bouncing from blog to blog spitting on one another and instead have rational conversations. Let Charles and Glenn argue their points with each other and stop acting like the kids on the playground who egg on the fight.
Favre4favre -
You know he’s had problems with leftists mining LGF for intolerant name-calling so as to prove that the whole site is worthless…
Maybe he over-reacted in your case but this has been an issue more than once.
I mostly lurk. It’s too easy to get emotional over issues that really matter!
James Richman on April 17th, 2009 11:33 am
I noticed you didn’t address the other issues discussed here, such as:
1. Charles supporting the DHS report fully.
2. He now believes Obama didn’t bow.
3. Claiming Rush Limbaugh is advertising a troofer on his show which he doesn’t, but some of the many stations his show is broadcast on do. Rush has never personally advertised for a troofer. Why did Charles choose to say that?
4. Has denigrated nearly every republican and Conservative pundit and other bloggers such as Ace, Michelle malkin, Hot Air, Protein Wisdom, Stop The ACLU, Jihad Watch, Powerline, etc., including luminaries such as Robert Spencer, Mark Steyne, Geert Wilders, Dennis Praeger, etc.. And just name a prominent Republican he hasn’t denigrated.
Do some deserve it? Perhaps, I have no problem with Charles pointing out differences he has, but he’s on the record saying if Jindal or Palin were ever on the Presidential ticket he will vote Democrat or not at all.
That’s not Classic Liberalism. I mean, think about it, the Democrats cause far more damage than even the worst Republicans, and yes, I would prefer a candidate or representive I agree with 100%, but guess what? There is nobody like that.
Oh and now, Charles supports AGW (global warming/climate change) BS.
Charles is so paranoid that the Christians will impose some kind of theoligical fascist state that he’s ignoring the Leftist fascists who are shredding our Constitution.
And please, the neo-nazi/white supremicists are a very tiny fringe that Charles is chasing while America is sacked.
The Christian Fundamentalists used to be far more powerful than they are now and they never took over the country and forced their beliefs on anyone. They still believe in liberty like any American should.
Add to this Johnsons refusal to agree to disagree and to demonize anyone who doesn’t see things his way and he’s as far from a Classical Liberal as he can get.
Johnson has nothing to contribute to Conservatives/Classic Liberals/Libertarians or principled Independents. So he seeks to destroy what he once supported, believing that he is the one that’s pure and principled, but like Leftists the ends justify the means for Johnson. That’s why he is so dishonest and without honor.
I watched the Glenn Beck video in question and he came across as a simpering clown. I’m sick of personality politics and the lazy MSM of which FOX is just another flavour. We need a conservative alternative to the liberal news that raises the standards of journalism, FOX falls far short of that ideal.
This “we should all agree because we have a common enemy” rhetoric is farcical, for conservatism to survive against the current onslaught it will have to rid itself of association with crackpots.
What I see now is “our” side devolving in the same derangement that the left suffered when Bush was POTUS.
As to creationism, religion and science are two very different things. It is foolish and subversive to impose religious beliefs masquerading as science to be taught in public schools.
Regarding the banning practices in the LGF forum, I’ve only followed a small percentage of the chat threads, but from what I’ve seen, everyone who was banned displayed some sort of emotional meltdown, resort to insults or conspiracy nonsense.
Personally, I far prefer to chat in a forum that is moderated so as to remove the nutters and champions rational thought over faith based emoting.
Now that is rich irony there. Johnson turns everything in to “personality politics” at its nastiest level.
“Does that make me a creationist because I believe in God? Is God and believing in God crap?”
Nope. Just creationism.
TO: Jame Richman
RE: Really?
“Wow – just got to this thread directly from LGF, so I think reports of censorship over there are a bit exaggerated…” — James Richman
Then get me and the other ‘killed’ back on LGF posting. With no chance of being ‘killed’ again.
Go on….I DEFY you…..
Plead our ‘case’. Defend it. See what happens to YOU….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....]
USS Ben,
“Oh and now, Charles supports AGW (global warming/climate change) BS.”
Sorry mate, but everything you wrote is an misrepresentation. For example, I’ve posted dozens of links to articles challenging the media bias and exaggerations of the AGW narrative. Charles has never taken a stand against them except to challenge one that turned out to have some crackpot associations.
To conclude that he “supports AGW BS” is simply wrong.
Sounded kind of tongue in cheek, but why not take sides? Are you scared of getting blacklisted by LGF and labeled a . . . “Creationist!!” The horror.
Seriously, though. Do bloggers need to take sides and form cliques, or just sort of operate independently?
I also find it idiotic that Johson would sneer at the possibility of Leftist plants at Conservative protests. Especially since every major Leftist blog is full of commenters and even writers who encourage that despicable tactic. But oh no, the Leftists would never sink that low, would they?
And Johnson, in the comments, doesn’t believe that most of the Leftist/liberal colleges indoctrinate their students. That’s just conspiracy hogwash according to Johnson.
For those defending Johnson:
Most of you claim you don’t read a lot of the comments. Well, I challenge you to enter Johnson’s name and read just his comments for a day or two. You’ll be surprised at the nasty things he says, the deflections, ommissions, the extreme paranoia, and the personal attacks.
Bagua on April 17th, 2009 12:38 pm
Apparently you don’t read all of Johnson’s comments. Go ahead, ask him. Don’t take my word for it.
Mr. Johnson has his own
website, he tightly censors the
posters and comments unlike the
vast majority of sites I view.
Its easy to get banned on his site,
just disagree with him.
Why anyone would bother posting
there is a mystery to me since
its clear from his threads that
he enjoys being a censor.
No surprise to me that discussions
with him would degrade to 8th
grade caliber, lunch time
disagreements.
I too have deleted LGF from my Favorites list. I used to open it everyday and read his site for years. Even passed his site on to many friends around the globe. Over the last year I have found I no longer have interest in his obsessions. Maybe his Mom made him go to church when he was young or he sees Ron Paul behind every door, I don’t know. It’s sad and a good time to move on.
Just posted my so long and thanks for all the fish response at LGF:
“Charles, I am not sure why the main thrust of LGF has moved from combating Jihad to combating conservatives you don’t like (and vice versa)
I have been here since the beginning. I started reading, and sparsely commenting in Sept 2001. I have to say that I have been gradually moving away since LGF simply isn’t interested in what I came here for anymore. You have done great work, and I can not say how much I appreciated what you stood for in the past. But since you are moving on, so will I.
Peace.”
Charlie’s little sycophants have arrived to lick his boots much like they do in the comment section of his blog: “All hail CJ, All hail CJ, must not think independently, I agree, I agree, must not disagree with the “lizard king”, All hail CJ”
USS Ben,
“Apparently you don’t read all of Johnson’s comments. Go ahead, ask him. Don’t take my word for it.”
Ben, I’ve posted almost 200 links on LGF linkviewer, many of them challenging AGW, I experienced zero “censorship” and I’ve never received a comment from Charles that was other than well reasoned and supported.
I don’t need anyone’s “word” as I have extensive experience and it simply contradicts what you are asserting.
Jack @6:53am
That was me who posted that question. I noticed he didn’t mention a politician. I wanted to follow up respectfully, but am reluctant to do so.
Well I have’nt had my account blocked at LGF yet, but I have stopped going. I am truly sick of his anti-creationist postions.
I am sure that he knows that there are a huge number of folks on the right (and left too for that matter) that don’t buy evolution and never did and who read (or did read his blog)
But he doesn’t care what they think. To him they are all ingorant, stupid redneck hicks.
I frankly got sick of that.
Bagua-
That’s nice that Charles allows you to do that, but my claim is that Johnson believes in AGW. I saw his comments on it. But go ahead and ask him, or go back and search out the comments.
As for cnsorship, perhaps you can explain why Jay was banned for simply posting what Charles posted. He didn’t take sides. Doesn’t sound reasonable to me to ban him just because he has some commenters like me criticizing Johnson.
Jack-
I wouldn’t recommend it, but a lot depends on his mood at any given moment so you might skate by with it. Don’t expect any deep answers though.
AGW is a crock of sh*t. Co2 does not driv or determine temperature. Ice core samples tell us in the Ordovician era the co2 was 4400 ppm and it was an ice age. Kinda blows the whole co2 it evil thing out of the water huh?
Maybe thats what chuk didnt like about my post, facts.
To: Chuck
RE: Freedom of Speech
Oh no chuck, you were killed from commenting a website! Call the Freedom Police and urge them to bring gigantic tissues. What in the world will happen to this country without your wit? Wait a minute, it is here, in all it’s glory. We are saved, SAVED!!!
USS Ben,
I’ve not seen anything to suggest that he “believes” in AGW in the manner that Warmists do. He does acknowledge that at present the peer reviewed science supports the AGW theory and that happens to be an accurate and reasonable opinion at the moment. In time that may change as the science matures.
Science should not be about “beliefs” full stop. Beliefs are fine for other fields, such as religion or philosophy, but we need to raise our standards if we want to be effective in countering the excesses of Warmism.
As far as why Jay was banned, I didn’t follow that one, I’m not a regular commenter, I do read the front page every day, read and post to the linkviewer and occasionally chat on subjects that interest me. I’m jumping in here because I also read this blog from time to time(following links from LGF linkviewer) and I object to all the LGF bashing that is going on in this thread.
well, charles blocked me after I posted my so long and thanks for all the fish post, he also deleted it.
I used to visit LGF back when he did his good work on fauxtography and rathergate. But in the past 6 months his site has become way leftist and paranoid. It’s like last month when you saw Cramer switch on a dime from criticizing Obama to immediately bowing down. Someone got to him. Very sad. RIP LGF.
I have to say, that Despite the fact I was deleted and tarred, I won’t call Charles Names. He simply has moved his concerns from Jihadis to Creationists and Libertarians.
I lasted about an hour or less on LGF before being blocked. My crime was to defend Scripture, in particular the Genesis account of creation, against their constant, condescending, and monolithic evolutionary and anti-faith rants. I thought I was pretty reasoned in my posts, but I was unprepared for the vicious and profane vitriol that came back at me. I logged off and tried to return later, only to find myself “blocked,” with no explanation.
I got banned after saying LGF was all ready for the era of the Fairness Doctrine with the latest posts, and then making a joke about ordering one of the Obama tshirts featured in the Ebay advertisement on the LGF front page.
Clearly the guy is trying to alienate his audience intentionally to the point of comedy, but I consider myself a Left leaning moderate Democrat, and I mean, should I ever feel possessed to read Conservative/ Republican bashing, there are much better sites for that…
Oh, and I fear for the robots who brag about getting 100% of their news from LGF….
Although I don’t agree with Beck, there’s more to him that creationism and alarmist bs. I find him to be humorous, a fairly regular guy, and spot on when it comes to taxes/spending, and dealing with islamic fascism. I’ll take the bad with the good, and I don’t see it as productive to have a childish pissing match that would have the left standing back laughing. I also support Geert Wilders, and Johnson lost me on that one. The whole thing is just pointless, and Johnson is doing the left’s dirty work for them. In addition, Johnson does come across as self-righteous, a bit of an ego-maniac, and he’s quick to ban people for simply disagreeing with him. Yes, that’s his right, but it also makes him look bad. If I agree with someone 6 or 7 out of ten times, I don’t consider them a political enemy. Maybe CJ does. I don’t know.
Its been stated that Creationists are a small minority of the public, and that we will destroy the Republican Party if we succeed in taking it over. Oh, and that Creationists don’t make arguements at LGF.
Hmmm…
1. 89% of the American Public are Creationists of one sort or the other.
2. Social Conservatism is more popular than Republicanism in California, a very blue state.
3. The arguement about the eye is an arguement for Irreducible Complexity by Michael Behe. You need all the parts in their specific order in order to have anything. Anything less is simply worse than useless since its a drain on survivability. And thus it will be naturally selected against.
As Behe explains, a mousetrap with one less part is nothing.
I generally enjoy arguing with Darwinian Fundamentalists. They stumble around moaning “Darwin!” and you plug them full of holes as I’ve done with the arguements essayed by the Defender of LGF.
That’s weird. I just nuked LGF from my bookmarks a couple of days ago. I’m a long time reader – started right after 9/11 and i was living in the middle east.
Like most here I simply got tired of seeing his OCD reflected in the constant beating of the creationism dead horse. I’m a geologist. Personally, I think creationism & ID is a crock. It’s not science, it’s faith and should not be taught in schools. That said, it’s getting boring over there.
Combine that with willful ignorance on the DHSreport, Obama’s Saudi bow (you’d have to be blind not to think the man didn’t bow), Rush Limbaugh.
I found I was visiting less and less. I appreciate his WOT and islamofascim coverage, dan rather debunking, fauxtography, etc… but I just don’t have much use for his site any more. I’m sure he doesn’t care. It’ his site.
Not a creationist(carbon dating proves the age of planet/ man did nto walk with dinos) here but it does not have to be at odds with evolution. someone had to start the ball moving right? I think Aquinas said it best with his first 2 Proofs for the exsistence of god.
1 – FIRST MOVER: Some things are in motion, anything moved is moved by another, and there can’t be an infinite series of movers. So there must be a first mover (a mover that isn’t itself moved by another). This is God.
2 – FIRST CAUSE: Some things are caused, anything caused is caused by another, and there can’t be an infinite series of causes. So there must be a first cause (a cause that isn’t itself caused by another). This is God.
“The people who despise Charles are mostly Creationists, and they certainly have a right to their feelings.”
Oh,please! Are you trying to be simply annoying or just simple? The people who despise charles can be more accurately categorized as having a pulse and a brain.And despise is a little strong…..charles is simply not worth that much emotion.
I am the last person on the planet that anyone could say was a creationist [but charles did....]but having said that I would hardly consider anyone who believes in creationism to be a threat or a nut.It’s part of their faith and it doesn’t harm anyone.
Yes, it’s HIS site [as he states about ten million times a day] BUT,having a blog myself I can attest to the fact that you don’t have to allow comments. I do and would never delete anyone for their opinions.
AND, think about this. charles has sign up moments [more and more all the time as he is losing readers]and right after the sign up his creepy mindless “minions” make statements like “has anyone been hit with the ban stick yet?”
They also refer to the “hatchlings [god...he's so creepy] as “fresh meat”.
This is hardly even a “thinker”.
charles is a creepy little cult leader wanna be…and his site is the best example on the web today of the ‘hive mind mentality’ and charles is definitely the queen bee.
Drone on charles, drone on……
“Charles Johnson is having way too much fun at your expense.”
He’s not having fun sunshine. He’s taking it personal and its been getting more personal with him over the past few months.
Bagua on April 17th, 2009 1:44 pm
Well, personally it seems like faith to me (at least to the extent that one accepts it as the truth with so much contrary evidence) when the science is that shoddy and so many lies (the hockeystick) and “mistakes” have been made.
And this is mostly due to the politicalization of the science, and incomplete computer models without all the necessary info inputed.
Hell, the best meteorologists and climatologists can’t even predict weather very accurately one week from now if at all, and thus far all the dire predictions of increased warming and more devastating storms has not come to pass.
However, Charles is at least not rabid about it like Gore (at least not yet).
Be that as it may, I truly do hope Charles realizes someday that there’s nothing helpful about throwing out the good because it ain’t perfect and there’s no need to attribute the worst of intentions (or to demonize) to folks he disagrees with on one or two issues.
Sometimes I wonder if he sees the difference in the fun and interesting LGF he ran 4-8 years ago and the LGF of today.
Good luck to you and thanks for the civil responses.
I attend one of those “mega churches” here in North Idaho (at last count they had around 8,000 members and growing). I think the draw in SOME of these new churches is that they leave politics alone. The message I take away from my church is that it is my responsibility and privilege to share the message of Christ’s love (through my actions, not words) with the people that God has placed in my life. Jesus came to change hearts and minds. He didn’t try to overthrow any earthly governments. Our job as Christians is to win others’ hearts and minds to Christ through our actions of love and we’ll never do that while shouting each other down with our political opinions. I get that. I think the Religious Right (I have no use for religion) has done irreparable damage to the body of Christ and I just want you people out there who are on the fence about Christianity to know that they do not represent what being a disciple of Jesus really means.
Bagua
if co2 drives temp then more co2 = higher temps right? co2 is 360ppm today and they say we will get to 400ppm andthn melt the caps and raise sea levels and temps. So whot do you think would happen with co2 at 4400 ppm? Back in the Ordovician era it was 4400ppm and this was durring an ice age. Only 2 times in the last 600 million has the temp and co2 been as it is today so that would make the present an anomoly when compared to history of climate on earth. We do know co2 is not a polutant for without it we would all die, as would all plant life on earth. Facts not consensus
Kit Kat is right: “Our job as Christians is to win others’ hearts and minds to Christ through our actions of love and we’ll never do that while shouting each other down with our political opinions.”
The Bible says the earth is about about 6000 years old. What is so hard to understand about the word of God? There is no politics involved in the Bible so why should we argue about these things when there are larger issues at hand that should unite us, such as the growing Islamic menace (which is political by nature and a real threat to democracy).
A**hat chuckie back to defending the DHS report, what a TARD!
TO: All
RE: Obviously, Jack….
“Oh no chuck, you were killed from commenting [on] a website!” — Jack
….has a hard time putting 2 and 2 together. Or metaphor. Probably both.
The point was that in Jack’s scenario, see item posted by Jack on April 17th, 2009 8:35 am…..
“Really? The cops were called and asked you to not talk and then dragged out downtown in cuffs when you didn’t comply?” — Jack
….the cops just take you downtown if you don’t ‘comply’. Eventually, you see a judge and you are released back onto the streets.
In the kingdom of Little Green Footballs, the cops ‘kill’ you in order to silence you.
So much for ‘Jack’. He don’t know s— about law enforcement.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[If they can't silence you, they will kill you.]
TO: Sultanofsham, et al.
RE: Interesting
“He’s taking it personal and its been getting more personal with him over the past few months.” — Sultanofsham
I’m not surprised. Sounds to me like some atheist desperate to prove there is no God. Why? Because the alternative is truly mind-boggling.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Atheist, n., One praying to God that He doesn't exist.]
IT’s time for you guys to remove LGF from “THe Giants” part of thsi blog.
OMG, CJ is having another meltdown. This particular one is over the way in which the Washington Times is reporting a story about the DHS report on “right wingers”. He’s banning people left and right and is really becoming unglued. Bye-Bye Charles.
I used to post as a regular at LGF. Charles lost his mind some time ago and I left. Others are finally noticing.
USS Ben,
“Good luck to you and thanks for the civil responses.”
You are welcome, and likewise thank you for the same.
Regarding the AGW, I certainly concur that the science has been misrepresented, distorted and taken on a faith based ideology I like to term “warmism.” The hockey stick is but one example. Add to this a tremendous amount of media bias and typically clueless politicians and we are in a world of hurt. Bear in mind please that I am highly skeptical and all of the links I have posted on LGF are critical of the whole AGW charade. However, I am well aware that the science has yet to catch up with the skepticism in terms of peer reviewed papers and such, thus an undecided viewpoint such as Charles represents is an entirely reasonable position at this point.
What is happening, however, is not only reasoned skepticism, but uninformed knee jerk exaggeration on the skeptic side as well, which does nothing except weaken the cause of people like myself who wish to highlight that the science is not “settled” and skeptism is not “denial.”
As witness:
Favre4favre:
Who, rather than reading my comments, automatically launches into a simplistic attempt to convince me that CO2 is not a problem. Had he bothered to read my comments before responding he would have read:
“Ben, I’ve posted almost 200 links on LGF linkviewer, many of them challenging AGW, I experienced zero “censorship” and I’ve never received a comment from Charles that was other than well reasoned and supported.’
Clearly he was not responding to anything I said in any relevant or meaningful manner. This, by the way, is what I’ve observed with most of the people who I have seen banned over at LGF, rather than discuss the topic being considered in a rational manner, they spout off about their pet ideas, often with a totally irrelevant reference to creationism, with added drama and emotion. This is tiresome and interferes with a rational discussion.
TO: Bagua
RE: I Have My Doubts….
“This, by the way, is what I’ve observed with most of the people who I have seen banned over at LGF, rather than discuss the topic being considered in a rational manner, they spout off about their pet ideas, often with a totally irrelevant reference to creationism, with added drama and emotion.” — Bagua
….about your premise.
But you’re entitled to your opinion.
Fortunately for YOU, you likely won’t get ‘killed’ in this venue for disagreeing with the principal premise of this thread. Unlike what so many have rationally expressed here what happened to them on LGF.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[California raisins murdered: Cereal Killer suspected]
Chuck(le)
Thank you for tolerating my dissent.
And yes, to be clear, I disagree with the premise that people that I saw banned were merely disagreeing or expressing their opinion.
Rather, they found their comments edited due to what I agreed was good cause.
So interesting to watch Liberal Green Footballs go down in flames. Psychologists could study Charles’ constant mental hand washing. Out stain! OUT!
TO: Bagua
RE: ‘Good’ Cause?
“Rather, they found their comments edited due to what I agreed was good cause.” — Bagua
Well. I guess we have VERY different definitions of what constitutes ‘good’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. Did you study English from Bill Clinton?
Chuck(le)
No doubt we may disagree as to whether the cause was good or not, but I highly doubt we would have different definitions of the word “good.”
Do you intend your comment as humour or insult by the way?
TO: Bagua
RE: If Not ‘Good’….
“No doubt we may disagree as to whether the cause was good or not, but I highly doubt we would have different definitions of the word “good.”” — Bagua
Please have Charles explain why I was ‘killed’. I asked, but he never replied. And all I did was start showing and explaining passages of that Old Book in a manner that made them understandable to others, during a discussion of ‘proof’ that what was written therein was possible.
Suddenly, I could no longer post.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. I have serious doubts as to your understanding of ‘good’. Or maybe you’re using the wrong term. Learning English from Bill Clinton can do that to you…..
P.P.S…..
“Do you intend your comment as humour or insult by the way?” — Bagua
You can take it as you deem ‘good’.
Bagua,
“This, by the way, is what I’ve observed with most of the people who I have seen banned over at LGF, rather than discuss the topic being considered in a rational manner, they spout off about their pet ideas,…”
Here are the first four comments on the first post on his page:
1 Alouette 4/17/09 4:25:15 pm reply
What kind of seekrit homey handshake is that?
2 Nevergiveup 4/17/09 4:25:26 pm
Who’s the devil now?
3 quickjustice 4/17/09 4:26:11 pm
Obama to Chavez: “Hey, I buy CITGO gas! What’s wrong with that?”
4 Killgore Trout 4/17/09 4:26:13 pm
Weakness with a smile.
—-
Typical, unsupported, blog gibberish, not reasoned argument.
I don’t have a problem with those comments, but you seem to think Charles will ban them…HA HA HA
Hmm now my account is blocked over there without posting anything. Nice.
I had no idea that there were other people who were fed up with Charles Johnson’s neoNazi/anti-creationism rants. I had been steering clear of the comment swarm (what else can you call it these days?) for the last couple of years, mostly due to his tolerance of rabid anti-Catholics, but was still reading the posts and the links provided by the other lizards. After the start of the anti-Geert Wilders stuff (I just couldn’t care less, honestly) and then the anti-creationist obsession, I eventually had to stop reading the posts, too. The funny thing is that, as a Catholic, I am free to subscribe (I don’t use the word “believe” in connection with evolution)to the theory because we believe that natural law and science are a reflection of God’s laws. My mother expressed it as, “Science is of God and so cannot contradict God.” Ironically, Johnson follows the Catholic view with his stated position that belief in God does not preclude “belief” in evolution but he certainly does not make people of faith feel welcome at all.
Whatever, it’s his blog so he can do what he wants. I just am no longer interested.
TO: Bagua
RE: Soooooo……
“Hmm now my account is blocked over there without posting anything. Nice.” — Sultanofsham
….what was ‘good’ about Charles ‘killing’ this fellow?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....]
ranting against creationism and creationists goes right along with the rest of the untoward behaviors that have been described in the comments here.
nobody should be surprised. we all know what happens to people in university settings that don’t follow the darwinist illusion.
Charles in his bunker responding to being mocked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkQiyySS5wU&feature=related
TO: Jack
RE: Impressive!
I wonder how long it will last before Charles starts action for violation of copyright laws….on behalf of the movie producer that whomever got the footage from.
Thanks for pointing it out.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Wit makes its own welcome, and levels all distinctions. No dignity, no learning, no force of character, can make any stand against good wit. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson]
Say what you will about Charles but he’s the best moderate out there, the kind of moderate unafraid to tell the truth to the faces of both parties and to side with the party with its head on straight on a particular issue rather than belligerently stay in the middle ground over some pedantic idea of balance. He is the kind of person we need to win over moderates, if nothing else than for his links to libs saying stupid stuff, though I suppose AoSHQ could do it well enough with substantial quantities of Valu-Rite
I don’t agree with Johnson’s absolutist, pompous dismissal of european anti-islamists he describes as “nazis”.
He is 100% correct to reject creationism. It is nothing more than irrational superstition, and a guaranteed vote loser if the Republicans pander to biblical literalists.
Now that Sir Charles is getting the
publicity he desires, he is exposed
as bigoted, petty, unoriginal
and childish.
Why would anyone take LGF seriously after
his Glenn Beck performance?
Best thing to do is ignore him.
I know it’s more sad than funny, but I found it amusing CJ banned your acct. God he is such a tool.
Just a quick tip, since I speak from experience:
The quickest way to get banned from LGF is to post these 4 words on any one of his creationist posts:
“Change the record already.”
It only took about 45 seconds before it was deleted and I was hit with the banhammer.
The dude has gone full retard.
TO: Benschachar
RE: Yeah….Sure…..
“Say what you will about Charles but he’s the best moderate out there….” — Benschachar
….You Betcha!
All the great moderates I know ‘kill’ those who disagree with them. I’m reminded of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao. All great atheists and likewise, great ‘moderates’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. I wonder how many Charles the Great Moderate has ‘killed’ in his Little Green Football kingdom.
I’ll wager that based on proportion of his ‘registeriees’, he’s killed a higher percentage of his ‘population’ than all those I named earlier together.
CJ’s blog has become unreadable. I dont care about those crappy music vids. I dont care about his hypertechnical server issues. While I agree with him about crerationism, I really dont think the issue is pressing enough to post about it so often. His pouty obsession with Ron Paul supporters is embarassing. He has done some good things in the past, but I have taken the site off of my favorites.
LGF has become the new Daily Kos, full of spite and hatred towards any who don’t obey the Revealed Religon; and I became sick of it a long time ago.
I’ve had enough of the ignorant and bigoted hatred of Christians and Christianity to waste any more of my time reading it.
Charles Johnson is a damn idiot i bet he has no problem with people burning books on creationism
I must, on my birthday (3 score and ten) confess to some concern for my sanity.
What on God’s green earth mad me think I wanted to work so hard to get an account on his LGF?
Thank heaven I don’t read him or Sullivan any more.
Were they moles? Did their brains rot? What the heck happened?
He banned me from posting when I dared to suggest that I doubted any force would be strong enough to save Europe except a nationalistic right-leaning movements and that would be preferable to an Islamic takeover. No, this doesn’t equal Nazism, and I said that, but it still offended his sensibilities enough to ban me immediately.
I was getting sick of the endless creationism posts anyway.
I remember last year when I started looking at and reading conservative blogs and every site I went to recommended LGF as a place to check out. So I did, but when I started reading some of the posts there I couldn’t for the life of me understand why anyone would recommend LGF as good reading for conservatives especially now as all they seem to do is bash the conservative movement and rip on high profile conservatives.
I stopped reading Little Green Footballs soon after I started because of Charles Johnson’s hysterics over creationism. His gnashing and wailing over the Texas School Board somewhat ironically evoked images of the many Biblical figures who would sit around in ash heaps, beating their breasts. I kept wondering if I was on the wrong site because I had heard so much about LGF, but the rabid scribblings told of some pathetic in need of an ice bath, not the citizen journalist I had expected to find.
To Chuck Pelto
From Grace
was asking vdd about this post–If you think Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck is the voice of freedom’s future, then you have no idea what is about to hit you. None.
April 17, 0930
Thought it was just odd, and was waiting for the villain laugh.
The thing about the joke/theory that LGF is run by a leftist mole is that something changed drastically around the same time with Alex Jones and his crazycakes site infowars where he alienated his die hard Leftist conspiracy theorist audience that he had embraced post 9-11 by now turning on them to the point that moonbat types are claiming he also was a mole. They’re very different characters but the timing is good for a laugh.
Used to visit LGF all the time. Makes me puke now. Seems to spend all his time looking for whites to denegrate as anti-semitic while turning a blind eye to Jewish extremism.
I used to visit the lgf blog daily, but have found my enthusiasm waning in the alst few months as he is stamping down hard on anyone with a differing opinion to his, though the religious element attacking his stance on religious pseudo-sciences are a different topic, I am more on about his seemingly constant generalities about republicianism through cherry pickes [edited] from protest crowds, much the same as CNN did the other day.
But, it is his blog, and if he wants to spit his dummy at any dissenter it is his choice, as it is mine to not visit so often. Reps are now viewing him as tainted meat, and the dems will never accept him back into the fold. but he can enjoy his righteousness all alone in the void.
First clue LGF wasn’t what it appeared to be: all the bike posts.
Second clue: his propensity to ban anyone who doesn’t agree 100% with him. You’d think someone like him would have developed thick skin.
TO: Grace
RE: Hannity and Beck
“….If you think Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck is the voice of freedom’s future, then you have no idea what is about to hit you. None.” — Grace
Sorry to disappoint, but I don’t listen to much of ANY radio or television.
We killed our television 12 years ago. And I’d rather listen to good music than someone ranting on the radio.
I get 90% of my information from browsing the web. That includes dropping in on CNN, MSNBC and their ilk to see what they have to say.
My POINT here is exactly as I’ve described in all the posts on this thread. If you don’t quite understand that, in your own words, “you have NO IDEA what just ‘hit’ you. None.”
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[For additional information, please re-read this post.]
P.S. And if you are truly a member of Densa, I’ll spell it out for you.
Hannity, Beck, Johnson, myself and you all have a right to speak our piece.
And people who ‘kill’ other people who are just trying to speak their piece are the true fascists of the first water.
Please. Tell me. Did Beck ‘kill’ Johnson for disagreeing with him?
Then again, does Beck get to post on Little Green Footballs?
I read LGF everyday for years, but he lost me when he started going after the anti-Islamic Euro’s. Looks like he has only gotten worse.
Just as Andrew Sullivan sees everything as “through a crotch, darkly,” now Charles is seeing everything “through a cross, darkly.”
When one becomes obsessed with a particular meme, it’s time to do some self-examination. I know it can never happen with Sullivan for a variety of reasons. With Charles, I yet hold hope.
Update: (Perhaps a coincidence or mistake, but for some reason my account at Little Green Footballs is suddenly blocked. How odd. Surely it was just a fluke; a mistake of some kind. Maybe I should have took sides?)
Join the club. I’ve been blocked for a year now.
TO: Bagua
RE: Wakie! Wakie!
Looks like Bagua may have tied one on last night, as he/she hasn’t responded to my query regarding the sad situation of Sultanofsham.
Well…he/she likely has good reason because of their sorry defense of what I consider to be the indefensible, the black heart of Charles Johnson.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Evil magical types are particularly bad at defending themselves from non-magical, high-velocity blog bullets.]
I quit Charles’s site a year ago. He became more obsessed with attacking Christians/Intelligent Design than anything else.
I recently joined the site (after lurking for 3-4 years), and had found it odd at the time I was attacked by one of the members just for my choice of screen name. The same one I use here. It all started when I made a general comment on a topic (I do not even remember what it was) and then, due to work, could not read any responses for a day or two. By the time I got back, I had been labeled a NeoNazi/Troll by the poster Sharmuta. I avoided saying much more on the site until the bowing incident, when Charles made the statement that bowing to accept a medal form the king of Saudi Arabia made you, in essence, a traitor. I asked the question did that apply to those of us that accepted the Defense of Kuwait medal from the Kingdom for Operation Desert Storm. His response was a snotty “Are you the president?” When I quoted him that he had made a general statement, not a specific one, his minions jumped all over me. I then requested my name be removed from the rolls, as I did not want to be associated with any site that impugned the honor of all of the fine folks I served with. I am sure I am blocked by now.
Sad really. I did enjoy the site for many years.
TO: Bagua
RE: Another Interesting Report
See Cdat88’s comment at April 18th, 2009 1:58 pm and please explain the ‘good’ reason Charles ‘killed’ Cdat88.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Woe to them that call good 'evil and evil 'good'. -- Isaiah]
TO: Pat
RE: Ouch!
“Just as Andrew Sullivan sees everything as “through a crotch, darkly,” now Charles is seeing everything “through a cross, darkly.”” — Pat
Is Charles Johnson HIV-positive? I’ve known that Andrew Sullivan is. And I know that dementia is a symptom of advancing AIDS. But I’m not aware of Johnson suffering from that dread infection.
[Note: My Father was one of the early victims of AIDS. Died in 1979 from it....as we ascertained in 1984 after noticing a correlation between his symptoms and those reported in the medical community. He'd had a major surgery two years before that required a significant amount of blood. His is the rarist form on Earth, AB-Neg. We figure he got it from a druggie selling his blood for money to support their habit.]
It’s so sad….watching such brilliant minds go to waste…..
Regards,
Chuck
I joined LGF when I heard about it on Dennis Prager, soon after 9/11. Had been going there daily for years. Then I deleted it from my favorites a few months ago. Couldn’t stand the group-think mentality in the comments section and the thuggery, the catholic bashing (I’m not catholic), the creationist bashing (don’t believe in creationism), and the general RINO feel of the place. It just started feeling vile to me. Like I needed a shower every time I stopped by. Good riddance, and all that.
For over a year I have noticed that most of the “news” blogged about at LGF is Intelligent Design, and anyone that posts an opinion or a question about the THEORY of evolution is attacked and bashed and then ignored. I am sad. When I first discovered LGF it appeared that the goal at that site seemed to be exposing LIES in the media about a variety of topics. Now it is a site that bashes I.D. and most anything or anyone that doesn’t TOW the “Charles is God” line of thought. The issue at DHS is not just something to be scoffed at– and noting this does not make ME a raving Loonie-fanatic. Feel sorry for you Charles.
Johnson is thin-skinned and vindictive. I don’t doubt for a second that you were banned for publishing a video that criticized him, even though you didn’t take sides.
At LGF, he holds court amongst his sycophants, and criticism is not allowed.
LGF doesn’t cover the GWOT any more hardly at all, which was my main reason for reading it after 9/11. Pity.
Ah, well…plenty of other blogs in the intarwebs.
One other thing. It’s interesting that Charles removed SiteMeter from LGF around the same time he went off the deep end with his paranoia, thought control, etc.
He said it had something to do with it affecting his programming/code. I find it hard to believe that enabling SiteMeter could possibly make his cumbersome, feature-laden site any more sluggish. My bet is that it was because traffic was falling, and he didn’t want people to see.
TO: Mazeman, et al.
RE: The Fall of Traffic
“My bet is that it was because traffic was falling, and he didn’t want people to see.” — Mazeman
I’m not surprised that traffic would fall off, especially when you start ‘killing’ off the people who foment the best sort of debate…..making the site into an echo-chamber.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[After a while, most people get tired of hearing the sameo-sameo all the time.]
Sitemeter does absolutely nothing to inhibit any code on a website. Nothing whatsoever. What Charles doesn’t want you to see is the royal nosedive his site has taken in both rankings and page views. Want proof?
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/littlegreenfootballs.com%2Fweblog%2F#rank
He recently got a spike since Beck mentioned him, but that is already on the downfall.
I’m still registered but quit posting long ago. When he started bashing vets for being would-be terrorists, that was the final straw.
Welcome to irrelevance and obscurity Charles.
Whoa! I thought I was crazy for deleting LGF from my “favorites” recently but I guess I’m not the only one.
I’ve been a fan of Johnson’s website since 2002 and thought he was doing yeoman’s work exposing the threat of islamo-psychos. Heck, I thought I won the lottery when I “finally” became a Lizardoid (or whatever they call themselves over there) about six months ago. For some reason it took seven years of going to his site almost every day to actually hit it when he had the registration “door” open.
But alas, his site has devolved into a night and day attack on “creationists” and other conservatives with whom he doesn’t agree. I also think he takes his moderator status a bit personal and runs that comments board with an iron fist. Granted he has been attacked by leftists all over the world and needs to keep track of things.
Hey, it’s his website and he can do with it whatever he wants. Have at it.
I predict that he sees his traffic dry up as he commits more of his time to the stuff that seems to be turning a lot of us off instead of being the web’s premier resource for the WOT.
To be sure, he has lost me as a reader. If there were ten websites I go to a day his was one of them…for seven years. Deleting him from my favorites last week was a bit liberating as his act – and his hyper-inflated ego – was tired.
I’m quite proud of myself. I believe for once I was ahead of the curve.
I called Charlie Johnson on his Christian bigotry, ego and constant need for notoriety and attention in Nov. 2007. It had become more than obvious to me that once the sting of 9/11 had worn off, Charlie was returning to his original humanist and progressive roots, where fatboy bikes are hip, glory days the talk, and really bad selections of music king.
What surprises even me is that LGF carries any relevance to be worthy of mention. I read it for the first time in a long time this evening and it reminded me more of a sycophant circle jerk than opinion and news debate.
Tonight LGF was pitiful. And I don’t say that with malice but with astonishment at how poor the content and general commentary had become.
long time reader of LGF.
I never got the feeling that Charles wanted to be the mainline blogger that he became.
It started out as a meeting place for recreational bike riding/computer geek resource, and or Lance Armstrong fan site.
Then 911 happened.
Many places gave coverage of Islamic fundimentalism but as an after thought stuck in between many other focuses.
People were hungry for information on our attackers what drives them, what they are capable of, and such.
For that sort of in depth background LGF was the only game in town.
The site just blew up on him when most people didn’t know anything about Islamic terrorists.
We certainly weren’t getting the straight story from the Bush White House.
He is a specialist, and specialization has a risk.
Long gone are the days when I would serial post LGF over where the Israelis located their border fence. The comment boards are full to the brim without me… my absence is not felt.
There might come the day when I am forced to break all bonds of fellowship with internet haunts of old. But that day is not this day.
I’ll be keeping my LGF link intact as is; strangely filling.
You know what this reminds me of? The little munitys that take place throughout the movie “Saving Private Ryan”.
What’s the total in the pot for who guesses what “little green footballs” is in reference to?
I registered as a commenter at LGF during the Rathergate thing. A few months later I tried to comment and found out my signon was no longer valid. I thought at the time it was just your typical online use it or lose it situation. Maybe I was banned? I can’t think of anything offensive that I might have posted.
Anyway I miss the old Charles Johnson. This new Chuck is simultaneously scary and boring. Like an old friend in the grip of senile dementia.
Here is how Charles has demonstrated he has lost his intellectual credibility:
1) He posts this as a headline:”Rush and Glenn Beck Advertising Alex Jones”
with the story part”Currently being advertised on both the Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck radio shows: The Obama Deception, an Alex Jones film that rehashes every insane conspiracy theory about Barack Obama.
The Ron Paul kooks are excited about their increasing legitimization.”
2) Then when he is informed that Rush et al do not control local ads he posts (#90)this “There is absolutely no excuse for running an advertisement for this garbage. It’s so irresponsible it boggles the mind. It’s exactly like running an ad for “Loose Change” or some other 9/11 Truther film.
This makes me sick.”
and
(#97)
“Sorry, it’s ridiculous to say they have “no control” over the ads that appear on their shows. That’s simply not true.”
3) When it finally sinks in that he was wrong and should not have condemded Rush et al he said (#125)”That’s just stupid. I simply pointed out that the ads were running on Rush’s and Glenn Beck’s shows, and the comment about the Ron Paulians is nothing more than a fact. They are excited about their increasing legitimization.
But if you really want to insist on taking offense, knock yourself out.”
Sounds like Charls is Channeling Markos. yes, he is banning people who have earned it but he is also banning people who point out is change in tenor and defeat him in arguements.
Some people are having some faulty memories. Registration wasn’t put into place at LGF until about 06′ or thereafter. I’m not defending LGF’s left turn.
I wish someone claiming Christians and/or Creationists were hurting the GOP would provide some data. You couldn’t fill a phone booth with atheist, ‘moderate’ mid-east hawk, neuvo-Republicans.
Abbie Normal,
As an already longtime lurker/reader I managed to “register” at LFG in ‘04 At that time the registration window was only opened very rarely and briefly.(unlike the sometimes daily multiple openings of today)
Perhaps it is your memory that is faulty.
papertiger,
“What’s the total in the pot for who guesses what “little green footballs” is in reference to?”
Tell me where I go to collect, and I’ll reveal the so-called secret to the world.
I read the other day that a “Charles Johnson” is kind of like a Moby, troll and control freak all rolled into one
He posts stuff designed to provoke a response like a troll, then he deletes posts and bans users who take the bait, and in doing so does more damage to his blog than a Moby ever could.
Even the left side of the blog is commenting on it.
I am one of the latest posters to be banned from Little Green Footballs. I removed him from my blogroll and will no longer link to or visit his site. About 2 years ago, he got on an anti-creationist tangent that pretty much consumed his daily life. I’m agnostic, so it didn’t bother me. But since then, the pre-9/11 mindset flooded every niche of his site.
He sees nazis behind every door, and probably hiding under his bed. And those are just the people who don’t agree with him 100%. The man’s paranoia level is skyhigh.
I was booted for supporting the Tea Parties, and critiquing the downward spiral of his site. It’s now comprised of a lot of backbiting targeted at people who take national security, Islamofascism, and the socialist Obamanation seriously.
Just what the leftwing needs; an Andrew Sullivan clone.
TO: sfcmac
RE: Greetings, Compadre
“About 2 years ago, he got on an anti-creationist tangent that pretty much consumed his daily life. I’m agnostic, so it didn’t bother me. But since then, the pre-9/11 mindset flooded every niche of his site.” — sfcmac
I seem to recall your name there. I was ‘killed’ a year ago, next month, because I’m a Christian and I challenged the ‘non-believers’ there at LGF.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[First he came for the christians.....but I didn't complain because I wasn't a christian.....]
I used to read LGF all the time. I noticed he was always bashing Ron Paul, and one day decided to see who this Ron Paul guy was. I found myself agreeing with Ron Paul, and became a supporter. I started becoming turned off by LGF because of his ad-hominem descriptions of Ron Paul and supporters as “Paul Bots” etc. I’m a reasonable guy and am not fanatical about my beliefs and found it insulting. I’m also a Desert Storm Veteran and it seems for all his patriotic chest pounding that he could at least give some respect for a lot of veterans who supported Paul as opposed to lumping them in with truther kooks (which I am NOT).
It’s ashame, I could probably like having a beer with Charles. He just gets nasty spirited about his views. I still have an account on LGF but won’t post anything because there is a good chance of getting kicked off the site.