Comments on: Colo. High School Suspends Marine Drill Team Member Over Fake Guns http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/02/09/another-example-of-how-liberals-destroy-this-country/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:23:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Suspended for fake guns? - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/02/09/another-example-of-how-liberals-destroy-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-113386 Suspended for fake guns? - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum Sat, 14 Feb 2009 03:11:03 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=19852#comment-113386 [...] Suspended for fake guns? Zero tolerance policy + Liberal school system = Colo. High School Suspends Marine Drill Team Member Over Fake Guns : Stop The ACLU [...] [...] Suspended for fake guns? Zero tolerance policy + Liberal school system = Colo. High School Suspends Marine Drill Team Member Over Fake Guns : Stop The ACLU [...]

]]> By: JM http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/02/09/another-example-of-how-liberals-destroy-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-113331 JM Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:20:31 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=19852#comment-113331 The law in this county states (and I'm paraphrasing) that there will be zero tolerance for weapons, loaded or unloaded, or anything that could REASONABLY be mistaken for a real weapon. These "guns" were made out of wood and duct tape. I don't know about the rest of you (especially Otter), but I consider myself to be a pretty reasonable person. I would in no way think that those were an actual weapon. Basically, now we're saying you can't have a long piece of wood on school grounds because someone might mistake it for a gun..... The law in this county states (and I’m paraphrasing) that there will be zero tolerance for weapons, loaded or unloaded, or anything that could REASONABLY be mistaken for a real weapon. These “guns” were made out of wood and duct tape. I don’t know about the rest of you (especially Otter), but I consider myself to be a pretty reasonable person. I would in no way think that those were an actual weapon. Basically, now we’re saying you can’t have a long piece of wood on school grounds because someone might mistake it for a gun…..

]]> By: Frank Jones http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/02/09/another-example-of-how-liberals-destroy-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-113327 Frank Jones Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:41:09 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=19852#comment-113327 Otter you are a pathetic piece of garbage who's opinion should not be allowed to be voiced to even my dog!! These were obviously fake guns stored in her car for drill team training only! Maybe she was to attend training directly after school and she would not have enough time to get back home and retrieve the fake training guns and make it to training on time. Military training tends to frown upon tardiness. How is it that because she is a student she is no longer allowed the right defend her actions and come on she has all the sudden become a possible high school killer I would think not. She is a practicing marine and on the honor roll, come on, look back through the history of all the school shootings we have had. Were any of those kids on the honor roll I THINK NOT!! Otter you are a pathetic piece of garbage who’s opinion should not be allowed to be voiced to even my dog!! These were obviously fake guns stored in her car for drill team training only! Maybe she was to attend training directly after school and she would not have enough time to get back home and retrieve the fake training guns and make it to training on time. Military training tends to frown upon tardiness. How is it that because she is a student she is no longer allowed the right defend her actions and come on she has all the sudden become a possible high school killer I would think not. She is a practicing marine and on the honor roll, come on, look back through the history of all the school shootings we have had. Were any of those kids on the honor roll I THINK NOT!!

]]> By: Warner Todd Huston http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/02/09/another-example-of-how-liberals-destroy-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-113318 Warner Todd Huston Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:20:00 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=19852#comment-113318 I propose Otter have his computer taken away from him. After all, if we let him off this time... why, heck, he might just use his computer for kiddie porn. This rule is for everyone's safety, don't ya know? In fact, Otter needs to be put in jail just in case he does something bad. It's for the kids, you see? I propose Otter have his computer taken away from him. After all, if we let him off this time… why, heck, he might just use his computer for kiddie porn. This rule is for everyone’s safety, don’t ya know?

In fact, Otter needs to be put in jail just in case he does something bad.

It’s for the kids, you see?

]]> By: Otter http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/02/09/another-example-of-how-liberals-destroy-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-113317 Otter Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:58:10 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=19852#comment-113317 I don't quite understand all the outrage on this issue. The reason she is suspended, and will rightfully be expelled is because of a state law which requires her expulsion. As a student, especially one who pays attention, you know you are not supposed to have any weapons or anything that looks like a weapon at school. These rules are put into place to help school security so that kids do not have to worry about whether or not there another kid will have a weapon which could hurt them. What is so wrong about a zero-tolerance policy regarding things that are weapons or fake weapons? Shouldn't the children of our great country feel completely safe while they are at school, allowing them to pay more attention to their daily lessons instead of worrying about someone shooting up the school? Just because she has no previous record and seems to be an outstanding kid doesnt provide reason to make an exception to the rule. What would you be saying if the administrators had the ability to be forgiving, let her off the hook, and then a week later she comes to school and shoots someone? I know what you and everyone else would be doing; calling for the administrators job. This situation has nothing to do with the girls achievements; Nothing to do with her future plans. It has everything to do with her dumb choice to bring a fake weapon in her car to school. Shouldn't we hold everyone in our country to follow the same set of rules, no matter their prior history or future plans? Shouldn't we be applauding the school district for making students be accountable for their actions? I think the action of the school district so far has been wonderful, and I hope that it continues on the correct path: Expulsion. At the end of the day, we all must be held accountable for our actions. I don’t quite understand all the outrage on this issue. The reason she is suspended, and will rightfully be expelled is because of a state law which requires her expulsion. As a student, especially one who pays attention, you know you are not supposed to have any weapons or anything that looks like a weapon at school. These rules are put into place to help school security so that kids do not have to worry about whether or not there another kid will have a weapon which could hurt them. What is so wrong about a zero-tolerance policy regarding things that are weapons or fake weapons? Shouldn’t the children of our great country feel completely safe while they are at school, allowing them to pay more attention to their daily lessons instead of worrying about someone shooting up the school? Just because she has no previous record and seems to be an outstanding kid doesnt provide reason to make an exception to the rule. What would you be saying if the administrators had the ability to be forgiving, let her off the hook, and then a week later she comes to school and shoots someone? I know what you and everyone else would be doing; calling for the administrators job.

This situation has nothing to do with the girls achievements; Nothing to do with her future plans. It has everything to do with her dumb choice to bring a fake weapon in her car to school. Shouldn’t we hold everyone in our country to follow the same set of rules, no matter their prior history or future plans? Shouldn’t we be applauding the school district for making students be accountable for their actions? I think the action of the school district so far has been wonderful, and I hope that it continues on the correct path: Expulsion. At the end of the day, we all must be held accountable for our actions.

]]> By: Jane http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/02/09/another-example-of-how-liberals-destroy-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-113263 Jane Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:31:01 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=19852#comment-113263 To clarify Marta, the vehicle was on school property. The ones that turned her in were in an area know for the smokers and stoners. Yes, they were rewarded. She has a Durango with windows tinted. I would think they had to really be trying hard to peer in her vehicle. And thank you Backwardsboy for setting Rob straight. I think in years to come, people will look at Bush in another way. To clarify Marta, the vehicle was on school property. The ones that turned her in were in an area know for the smokers and stoners. Yes, they were rewarded. She has a Durango with windows tinted. I would think they had to really be trying hard to peer in her vehicle.

And thank you Backwardsboy for setting Rob straight. I think in years to come, people will look at Bush in another way.

]]> By: Dave Chandler http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/02/09/another-example-of-how-liberals-destroy-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-113232 Dave Chandler Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:52:09 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=19852#comment-113232 The law that the Cherry Creek School District is using to punish this young lady was passed by a Republican state legislature and signed by a Republican governor. The extremism of "zero tolerance" has been advocated by many conservatives as well as liberals -- trying to blame just liberals for this kind of brainlessness does not help get laws and rules like this changed. See my left-of-center commentary on this incident at: http://www.davechandler.us/2009/02/in-colorado-school-administration-stupidity-revealed.html The law that the Cherry Creek School District is using to punish this young lady was passed by a Republican state legislature and signed by a Republican governor.

The extremism of “zero tolerance” has been advocated by many conservatives as well as liberals — trying to blame just liberals for this kind of brainlessness does not help get laws and rules like this changed.

See my left-of-center commentary on this incident at: http://www.davechandler.us/2009/02/in-colorado-school-administration-stupidity-revealed.html

]]> By: Marta http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/02/09/another-example-of-how-liberals-destroy-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-113231 Marta Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:17:47 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=19852#comment-113231 Two things that are missing that I haven't read in any of the news stories but did hear on the radio from people involved - 1) THE CAR WAS NOT PARKED ON SCHOOL PROPERTY!!!! and 2) The people that turned her in did it so that they were not in trouble for smoking at school and the school gave them Chick-Fil-A coupons as a reward. What happened to common sense? How can she be suspended when the the fake guns were not even on school property. Why were the kids who were smoking not punished as well? Two things that are missing that I haven’t read in any of the news stories but did hear on the radio from people involved – 1) THE CAR WAS NOT PARKED ON SCHOOL PROPERTY!!!! and 2) The people that turned her in did it so that they were not in trouble for smoking at school and the school gave them Chick-Fil-A coupons as a reward.

What happened to common sense? How can she be suspended when the the fake guns were not even on school property. Why were the kids who were smoking not punished as well?

]]> By: BackwardsBoy http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/02/09/another-example-of-how-liberals-destroy-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-113230 BackwardsBoy Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:12:33 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=19852#comment-113230 Rob, This abomination has it's roots in the feminist movement, which began in earnest back in the '70s. Under the guise of women's rights, the whole notion of common sense was assaulted as evidence of a "male-dominated society." Perhaps your're not old enough to remember when we used to have shooting teams in public schools, with real guns. And gun safety instruction. Liberalism treats the individual as a child, incapable of safe action or rational thought. Rob,
This abomination has it’s roots in the feminist movement, which began in earnest back in the ’70s. Under the guise of women’s rights, the whole notion of common sense was assaulted as evidence of a “male-dominated society.” Perhaps your’re not old enough to remember when we used to have shooting teams in public schools, with real guns. And gun safety instruction.
Liberalism treats the individual as a child, incapable of safe action or rational thought.

]]> By: SouthernRoots http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/02/09/another-example-of-how-liberals-destroy-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-113229 SouthernRoots Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:02:33 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=19852#comment-113229 Yet, if a school administrator or teacher is accused of something they get their day in court with witnesses, due process, and any mitigating factors taken into account. Even for accusations of sexual misconduct with a student (which should be zero tolerance) the accused gets due process. Zero tolerance is an excuse to not use judgement or take responsibility for decisions. Yet, if a school administrator or teacher is accused of something they get their day in court with witnesses, due process, and any mitigating factors taken into account. Even for accusations of sexual misconduct with a student (which should be zero tolerance) the accused gets due process. Zero tolerance is an excuse to not use judgement or take responsibility for decisions.

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