US Official Says G’itmo Vacationer Joined A Fraternity
Posted on January 14, 2009
Oh, the horror!!!!!!!!!!! Detainee Tortured, Says U.S. Official
The top Bush administration official in charge of deciding whether to bring Guantanamo Bay detainees to trial has concluded that the U.S. military tortured a Saudi national who allegedly planned to participate in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, interrogating him with techniques that included sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold, leaving him in a “life-threatening condition.”
“We tortured [Mohammed al-]Qahtani,” said Susan J. Crawford, in her first interview since being named convening authority of military commissions by Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates in February 2007. “His treatment met the legal definition of torture. And that’s why I did not refer the case” for prosecution.
Sounds like what one often goes through when joining a fraternity or the rugby team at college. Or, come to think about it, most special forces trainees go through much of the same. Don’t the SEALs have a period where they all sit in cold ocean water for hours and hours? Stay up for days?
I do not hear anyone on the left complaining about prisoners, such as Border Agents Ramos and Compean, remaining in solitary. But a jihadi that may have been a part of the 9/11 attacks being put in “sustained isolation,” not to mention the other stuff, will have progressives wetting their silken pink-with-coat-hanger-bows panties all in a bunch. I bet al Qaeda is scared now! Say, I wonder what al Qaeda considers torture?
But, don’t worry, Libs, President Barry will soon have these little darlings ensconced in a jail cell near you when he closes G’itmo.
Meanwhile, headline, the world: Pentagon: 61 ex-Guantanamo inmates return to terrorism
More: Jules Crittenden:
I’m not trying to be cute here. I’d never suggest that just because the MoveOn crowd wanted to waterboard the president, vice-president and secretary of defense, that waterboarding should be resumed. Obama can keep it on the table if he wants, but we all know it’s water over the dam(ned terrorist), so to speak. Playing loud music, failing to turn off the light switch, and private time without clothes all are now defined as torture. It’s clear we need to look at more practical methods of encouraging the cooperation of recalcitrants that are incontrovertibly moral.
Excitable Andy is beating his standard drum. Yawn. Gotta find a new schtick there, Milky!
One of the most amusing Lefties of the day, Donkelephant (funny names, since the majority of sidebar links are to blogs on the left
Obviously I’m not suggesting that our actions are anywhere close to being as bad as the terrorists, but one of the ways they’ll “win” is if we adopt their tactics. The Bush administration fell right into this trap and lost a massive amount of credibility as a result…as well they should.
Perhaps I need to add this link a second time. Please tell me if some sleep deprivation, along with feeding the jihadis food so rich that they are actually gaining weight, compares to drilling hands, severing limbs, eye removal, and so on. Somehow, I just seem to be missing the connection.
And visit Memeorandum for links to all sorts of links to outraged progressives, many whom go “huh? Oh, it’s September 11th. Again. Whatever.”
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I feel tortured when I hear my government officials say crap like this.
It’s torture, believe me. Like nails on a chalkboard. Like a 2-year old screeching, like Rosanne Barr ….
Let me tell what is really “torture”:
Listening to faceless, talent-challenged, interchangeable boy- and girl-groups on AM radio is torture.
Tom Cruise’s pretty-boy portrayal of Col. Klaus von Stauffenberg in “Valkyrie” is torture.
Listening to Obama as he purses his lips, whistles through his teeth, and drones on in his ever so s…l…o…w and faux-thoughtful mode is torture.
Reading Frank Rich’s NYT columns is torture.
Watching Chris Matthews’ incessant, balls-to-the-wall, chihuahua yip-yap on “Hardball” is torture.
Knowing Barney Frank and Chris Dodd should be sharing jail-cells with big guys named “LeRoy” and “Bubba”–but aren’t–is T.O.R.T.U.R.E.
61 of 500 released prisoners…after we kidnapped them and tortured them for no reason (the reason they were released, tool, was because the Pentagon deemed them “not guilty”) and you think that’s a high number? After what we did these people, how less than 15% agreed to pick up arms is amazing. Brutalize someone and then pat ‘em on the back and tell them all’s well, no hard feelings, chap and you expect them to NOT want revenge?
Oh, a once again revealing the mindlessness of the StACLU posters we have a lawyer telling us the man’s treatment met the definition of torture, which is against US national and international law and AGAIN a conservative is there to make moral equivalence of law-breaking. You and your endless torture cheer-leading are exactly why the ACLU is needed.
Comparing convicted felons and SEAL trainees (who can opt out and quit the training….an option I dare say David Hicks wasn’t offered) to the treatment of people convicted of nothing….Jesus if you want to torture them, could you please find any of them guilty of anything.
Just as the late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan spoke of “defining deviancy down, ”judges like this one are defining torture down. Doing anything short of checking a terrorist into a Holiday Inn Express with buffet breakfast service will in the future be deemed as torture. The ACLU has won, probably with ample Saudi money going to the defense of terrorists.
This means taking prisoners will no longer have any intelligence value. And we all know what that means.
So to the right wingnuts, the only two choices you offer are either buying the SUSPECT - that’s right bobo, SUSPECT ONLY - a birthday cake or abandoning our soul as a nation of laws? Your imagination and pride can only leave you with two (2) choices? Maybe if you folks read a book - or at least found somebody to read for you - you could offer some additional wisdom. Please stop being scared already. Your children are watching you advocate torturing suspects. Your children will look back on your reactions and wonder why you were so willing to throw away the soul of a nation to piddle your pants when a loud noise sounds. Jeez people, find your backbone.
I’m pretty sure the torture part was the beatings that left him hospitalized and the water boarding, both unequivocally torture. The Holiday Inn Express analogy is comical. I would even let you be the judge let some do to you what was done to him and let us know if you don’t think it was torture.
If you don’t like the way this country goes about trying to glean information from terrorists or “suspected” terrorists so you can can live the free life, perhaps you should consider another country. Turning the other cheek does not work against this type of enemy, who loathes the very life we have come to enjoy, and the freedom we have to vent on these types of forums. I dare say,that my kids would want to know why we didn’t do anything within our power to learn what we can when we had the chance. Don’t forget all those second guessers that came out of the woodwork after 9/11, “what did we know, when did we know it”. How do you think we find some of this stuff out? How do you think hostages are treated by this enemy? Oh wait, they’re put on a stage and beheaded, and then the video is released for the world to see, hoping it will shock us into submission. Torturing is’nt right, just necessary. Now go tell your kids the score of the soccer game they just played and who won.
“Your children will look back on your reactions and wonder why you were so willing to throw away the soul of a nation to piddle your pants when a loud noise sounds. ”
3000 Americans were killed in their offices. It wasn’t a loud sound, it was a Pearl Harbor of non-combatants. Remind me, did Bill Clinton do anything to anyone after the first WTC bombing (which did kill Americans, btw) Nope. No Gitmo. No reaction. No spine. When the same terrorists killed 14 sailors on the USS Cole, did Clinton do anything meaningful? Did he “torture” anyone? No, I think at the time our armed forces were in Bosnia….LIBERATING MUSLIMS YOU MORON! What did we get in return for the restraint in the face of murder? What did we get in return for our help in stopping the genocide in Bosnia you absolute freaking imbecilic hippie? That’s right, jacka**! 9-11. Guess what’s next, you dope smoking, hacky-sacking-liberal arts major? A nuclear attack on US soil. That’s right. It’s coming. And it will come because Barry, the GQ Commissar will close GITMO, let his people go, and will declare the GWOT over. He will also probably declare that the United States lost the War on Terror, or revise history such that no terror attack ever occurred on 9-11 or any other time. Just responses to US and Jew aggression in his mind (and yours, right?)
The only thing I hope for is that after it happens, we round all of you up and give you two choices, the bullet or the boat. I will be first in line with my trigger finger warmed up and ready for you.
I personally do not want the people who work for the U.S. government and who’ve kept this country free of attacks since 9/11 from having to sit in courtrooms for the next decade listening to the second-guessers. I don’t care about charging any of those taken off the battlefield.
When the Supremes stretched the fabric of the Construction to cover Gitmo, Bush should have just opened the gates and let ‘em all go. Raul will then have to round them all up, and put them in those lovely Cuban prisons. Sure they will get sold back to the Saudis or whatever. But it will create some chaos and take time.
Oh, and I’m sure all the frat houses employ “Forty-eight of 54 consecutive days of 18-to-20-hour interrogations”
Let me do these things to you, and I bet I could get you to whatever I wanted to hear.