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		<title>By: A Small Corner of Sanity - An Online Oasis for Conservative Thought</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/01/05/will-they-be-screaming-about-unfair-stolen-elections-now/comment-page-2/#comment-111989</link>
		<dc:creator>A Small Corner of Sanity - An Online Oasis for Conservative Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A Trend? Obama Supporters Flooding Conservative Sites?...&lt;/strong&gt;

I read a lot of blogs and sites. A LOT. Not too surprisingly, most of them are conservative in nature. While I have been by the cesspools at DU, Daily Kos etc over the years, I always feel like I need a pound of Lava soap after visiting such places, so...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A Trend? Obama Supporters Flooding Conservative Sites?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I read a lot of blogs and sites. A LOT. Not too surprisingly, most of them are conservative in nature. While I have been by the cesspools at DU, Daily Kos etc over the years, I always feel like I need a pound of Lava soap after visiting such places, so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Franken is a joke, a real bad joke. I think even most democrats will realize the stupidity of this idiot soon enough. Did you see the recent poll where a majority of minnesota residents dont approve of him. I think they should have another election to get this thing settled. Do you think Franken would go for that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Franken is a joke, a real bad joke. I think even most democrats will realize the stupidity of this idiot soon enough. Did you see the recent poll where a majority of minnesota residents dont approve of him. I think they should have another election to get this thing settled. Do you think Franken would go for that!</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something does perplex me, though...
Even if Colman wins his lawsuit, and was awarded every single point he&#039;s bringing...and every single vote he wanted added counted in his favor, and every single vote he wanted rejected came off of Franken&#039;s total, he would STILL lose.

It seems a little weird that he is persueing it.

So, we&#039;ve got some ballots that were not counted due to them being improperly submitted absentee ballots that Coleman wants counted, despite the fact that they do not comply with rules meant to protect against voter fraud...that have been reviewed and still found wanting a second time.  Coleman&#039;s lawsuit to get them counted will not pass, or if it does it will open the door to wide-spread voter fraud.  You can call it disenfranchisement if you want to, but there has to be SOME process to ensure the security of the absentee ballots.

We&#039;ve got some ballots that were not counted by the machines because the people didn&#039;t fill in the little circles, but instead drew a line through them, or an &quot;X&quot; or whatever, but when they were hand-counted in the re-count it was clear who they intended to vote for (those votes were not counted in the original, because the number was within the margin of error.  They were required to be counted in the manditory re-count.  I don&#039;t think that there is any argument about these.  They seem to have benefitted Franken marginally more, probably due to the large number of first-time voters that went Democratic.

And there are the 133 votes that were lost since election night.  It makes sense that the canvassing board would go with the machine total on election night, as the machines are heavily monitored, and their internal collection chamber is inacessable to people at the polling site.  By comparison, the hand-count security conditions were somewhat less secure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something does perplex me, though&#8230;<br />
Even if Colman wins his lawsuit, and was awarded every single point he&#8217;s bringing&#8230;and every single vote he wanted added counted in his favor, and every single vote he wanted rejected came off of Franken&#8217;s total, he would STILL lose.</p>
<p>It seems a little weird that he is persueing it.</p>
<p>So, we&#8217;ve got some ballots that were not counted due to them being improperly submitted absentee ballots that Coleman wants counted, despite the fact that they do not comply with rules meant to protect against voter fraud&#8230;that have been reviewed and still found wanting a second time.  Coleman&#8217;s lawsuit to get them counted will not pass, or if it does it will open the door to wide-spread voter fraud.  You can call it disenfranchisement if you want to, but there has to be SOME process to ensure the security of the absentee ballots.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got some ballots that were not counted by the machines because the people didn&#8217;t fill in the little circles, but instead drew a line through them, or an &#8220;X&#8221; or whatever, but when they were hand-counted in the re-count it was clear who they intended to vote for (those votes were not counted in the original, because the number was within the margin of error.  They were required to be counted in the manditory re-count.  I don&#8217;t think that there is any argument about these.  They seem to have benefitted Franken marginally more, probably due to the large number of first-time voters that went Democratic.</p>
<p>And there are the 133 votes that were lost since election night.  It makes sense that the canvassing board would go with the machine total on election night, as the machines are heavily monitored, and their internal collection chamber is inacessable to people at the polling site.  By comparison, the hand-count security conditions were somewhat less secure.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and the thing in the quote about how officials might have run the ballot through twice on election night is not possible.  The machines collect the ballots inside when they are fed through.  There is no way that they could have been fed through twice on election night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and the thing in the quote about how officials might have run the ballot through twice on election night is not possible.  The machines collect the ballots inside when they are fed through.  There is no way that they could have been fed through twice on election night.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not thrilled with Franken either, but considering Coleman&#039;s record, I&#039;d rather have a carp out of water as our senator...it would flip-flop less than Coleman has.  Most people can at least settle on what party they want to belong to and wether or not the they and the President are BFF.  :-)

I hope that Franken might be marginally better than a carp out of water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not thrilled with Franken either, but considering Coleman&#8217;s record, I&#8217;d rather have a carp out of water as our senator&#8230;it would flip-flop less than Coleman has.  Most people can at least settle on what party they want to belong to and wether or not the they and the President are BFF.  <img src='http://www.stoptheaclu.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I hope that Franken might be marginally better than a carp out of water.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The additional votes gained by both candidates in the re-count came from counting ballots that were improperly rejected.

The re-count was mandatory under Minnesota law, due to the narrow margin of &quot;victory&quot; for Coleman.

The ballots that Coleman now wants counted have been identified as properly rejected twice by a transparent, bi-partisan committee.

His challenge is legal and proper, I agree with him taking it to court, as every legal means to a fair election should be explored by both sides.  

But probably futile, as the ballots were already dtermined to be properly rejected on two seperate occasions.

If there is any hypocracy in this situation, it is from Coleman, who urged Franken to forego a legally mandated re-count in the interests of public civility...but now is combating the results of the re-count in court.

Not that I blame him...I&#039;m sure Franken would do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The additional votes gained by both candidates in the re-count came from counting ballots that were improperly rejected.</p>
<p>The re-count was mandatory under Minnesota law, due to the narrow margin of &#8220;victory&#8221; for Coleman.</p>
<p>The ballots that Coleman now wants counted have been identified as properly rejected twice by a transparent, bi-partisan committee.</p>
<p>His challenge is legal and proper, I agree with him taking it to court, as every legal means to a fair election should be explored by both sides.  </p>
<p>But probably futile, as the ballots were already dtermined to be properly rejected on two seperate occasions.</p>
<p>If there is any hypocracy in this situation, it is from Coleman, who urged Franken to forego a legally mandated re-count in the interests of public civility&#8230;but now is combating the results of the re-count in court.</p>
<p>Not that I blame him&#8230;I&#8217;m sure Franken would do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Roundup &#171; 4Simpsons Blog - Eternity Matters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roundup &#171; 4Simpsons Blog - Eternity Matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stealing an election, Minnesota / Democrat style &#8212; after all the whining about how Bush &#8220;stole&#8221; an election when he really didn&#8217;t, where are the Democrats now?  What about making every vote count? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stealing an election, Minnesota / Democrat style &#8212; after all the whining about how Bush &#8220;stole&#8221; an election when he really didn&#8217;t, where are the Democrats now?  What about making every vote count? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you Libs, I suppose If you want more of my tax dollars to spend may I recommend starting with a spelling class, and then maybe move on to the Constitution and study that to. Then get back to me and we can have an intelligent discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you Libs, I suppose If you want more of my tax dollars to spend may I recommend starting with a spelling class, and then maybe move on to the Constitution and study that to. Then get back to me and we can have an intelligent discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no way in this modern day of electronics for a person to have a 700+ vote lead by voters, then a 200+ vote deficit conducted by subjective individuals. Any and all individuals that are found to have purposely manipulated this outcome should be prosecuted and jailed if necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no way in this modern day of electronics for a person to have a 700+ vote lead by voters, then a 200+ vote deficit conducted by subjective individuals. Any and all individuals that are found to have purposely manipulated this outcome should be prosecuted and jailed if necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Schmoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Schmoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you serious &quot;Minisota&quot;.

Enough said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you serious &#8220;Minisota&#8221;.</p>
<p>Enough said.</p>
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