Supreme Court Refuses to Hear Obama Citizenship Challenge
Posted on December 8, 2008
Update II: Ace joins me!
But if a right or requirement appears in the Constitution, someone must have the standing to vindicate it. Either that or, as I say, it’s dead letter.
Apparently it’s dead letter. The Emoluments Clause is apparently now dead-letter, too, as I don’t hear any sounds in Congress to repeal the pay raise for the Secretary of State to at least superficially cure Hillary’s constitutional bar against taking that position.
Apparently, as the great Paul Anka once observed, we’re “picking and choosing” which parts of the Constitution are still valid law.
Update: Emperor Misha joins me in the kook crowd!
Let me go ahead and stand out as a kook from all my friends on the right. That’s what they are calling anyone that gives the question of Obama’s citizenship any merit. I give some merit on a few accounts. One, how easy it would be to kill this. All Obama has to do is provide a birth certificate. It only fuels the conspiracies by not providing it. Why doesn’t he? Second, it is a legitimate question the People deserve a solid answer on. The question will only continue to haunt him until he stamps out the fire. Obama’s refusal to show this simple certificate can certainly give an impression to some he is hiding something.
Anyway, the Supreme Court aren’t hearing the question, and that is sure to anger those that are passionately embedded in this.
The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.
The court did not comment on its order Monday rejecting the call by Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., to intervene in the presidential election. Donofrio says that since Obama had dual nationality at birth — his mother was American and his Kenyan father at the time was a British subject — he cannot possibly be a “natural born citizen,” one of the requirements the Constitution lists for eligibility to be president.
How much further will the fight to de-certify Obama go? It won’t stop if the Electoral College votes for Obama, as the skeptics will try to get a congressman or senator to officially challenge the result. Rep. Chris Cannon of Utah was willing to believe that Bill Ayers wrote Dreams From My Father, so the skeptics might have a chance.
And if every vote certification goes off without a hitch and Obama is inaugurated on Jan. 20? Gary Kreep is ready for that.“When Obama starts signing executive orders and legislation,” Kreep says, “I’ll be filing lawsuits unless and until he proves he’s an American citizen. Some judge, someday, is going to want this proved on the merits. You can run, but you can’t hide.”
I do agree with others, it’s time to focus on opposing Obama policies and get out of the mud of technicalities. The Supreme Court, not wanting to upset the apple cart, has only fueled the fire. Be ready to hear the cries of ignoring the Constitution, and when does the revolution begin. I’m sure people will continue to fight this fight, but it looks like it will be a dead-end road. Why Obama won’t show his birth certificate, we may never know. But put the revolution on hold for now…there are plenty of other Obama birth certificate/citizenship cases in the pipelines. I wouldn’t get my hopes too high though. I won’t be calling anyone kooks, but I do suggest we start concentrating on other issues.
Hat tip: Hot Air and Michelle Malkin who may think I’m a kook.
“The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.” — Samuel Adams
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I have to ask a question. Do we really want the Supreme Court over-ruling the election? Even if he isn’t qualified, do we want the precedent of one branch deciding who is in charge of another?
There is no check on the Supreme Court anymore. No one will take them to task for not following the Constitution. If they have the authority to throw out a Presidential election, what keeps them from throwing it out every time they don’t like the result?
They would have to base the decision on the Constitution. However, you are correct that no one checks them ever. What they say seems to always be final.
Well, Obama *did* provide a certified copy of his birth certificate, but to the tinfoil hat wearing crowd, it was a forgery.
He can’t provide the original birth certificate, since he doesn’t have custody or control of it; the State of Hawaii has custody and control. It’s a *government* document, folks.
Government officials (Republicans, by the way) in Hawaii have stated — several times now — that they possess the original. Why would they lie?
NOTHING Obama does — or can do — will satisfy those who are pursuing this. Besides, the conspiracy theorists don’t want answers; they just want to plant seeds of doubt.
Even IF a court someday concludes that Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States, it won’t stop from pursuing this (in fact, the courts will just become *part* of the so-called conspiracy).
But to believe the conspiracy as it stands now, one would have to believe that 46 years ago a massive plot was borne between Kenyan officials, family members, and state government officials to alter the birthplace of a (then) unknown and insignificant child.
It boggles the mind that rational people actually think there is anything “there”. It’s 9/11 “Truthers” on steroids.
Obama did not provide a copy of his birth certificate, he provided a certificate of live birth. Look up the difference.
Also, you very well may be right about a court ruling not ending the conspiracy theories and only becoming part of them.
However, one does not have to believe in a plot like you have outlined. There are several ways this could happen. Everyone had rather have their child as an American citizen. There is also the possibility of dual citizenship, or that forgeries were made much later. I can conspiratize with the best of them, and your ‘massive plot’ is only one of many possibilities.
You know what would end the conspiracies? An actual copy of the original “birth certificate”, like I have in my dresser upstairs, being provided. Obama can request the original by the way. Why doesn’t he request the original to be authenticated by proffessionals? That would stamp out the conspiracy theory for everyone but the true nuts.
I’m not sure what idiot wrote this article, but the supreme court did not refuse to hear Obama’s BIRTH CERTIFICATE challenge.
They tossed a case regarding his DUAL CITIZENSHIP.
The Obama Birth Certificate lawsuits, all 15 of them, are still alive and well.
You know what would end the conspiracies? An actual copy of the original “birth certificate”, like I have in my dresser upstairs, being provided. Obama can request the original by the way. Why doesn’t he request the original to be authenticated by proffessionals? That would stamp out the conspiracy theory for everyone but the true nuts.
Why should he? Why must he kowtow to the tinfoil-hat wearing crowd? They do not have a single shred of evidence that says he is not a natural born citizen. Why is a certificate of live birth not enough? Why is the word of a state official not enough? What evidence does anyone have that proves otherwise?
People in this country should not have to take the time and expense to defend themselves against frivolous lawsuits. There’s a reason why Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure was written and enacted: to deter people from wasting taxpayer dollars and judicial resources on baseless claims such as this one.
If the Nine saw any merit whatsoever in this case, I can assure you that the novelty and urgency of this issue would have caused at least 4 justices, likely the conservative bloc (Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts, maybe Kennedy), to grant cert. as the Court did in Bush v. Gore in 2000. The fact that they did not grant cert should be enough reason to forget about this issue. Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States — so say the people of the United States.
They would have to base the decision on the Constitution. However, you are correct that no one checks them ever. What they say seems to always be final.
The checks on the Supreme Court are the President’s ability to appoint new justices, Congress’s ability to increase the number of justices on the Supreme Court, and Congress’s ability to tailor the Supreme Court’s jurisdiction. Plus, there is always the extreme option of amending the Constitution.
“Why is a certificate of live birth not enough?” – Wilton
Because the Hawaii Department of Health issues Certificates of Live Birth even for citizens born outside of the US.
In case you think I am making this up, here is the Hawaiian law on it:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm
That would be me, thanks for correcting me.
Because the Hawaii Department of Health issues Certificates of Live Birth even for citizens born outside of the US.
So we are to assume that because such certificates may be issued to citizens born outside of the US, the certificate is lying when it says that Barack was born in Honolulu? Why should we assume that this certificate is giving false information?
It never ceases to amaze at the petulant right sides adherance to nutjobbery. The smallest amount of gratitude that the nation finally stopped drinking the kool-aide and elected some educated grown ups to lead the nation is tossed aside to claim ever again that Obama is not a natural born citizen. You don’t bother with McCains shaky birth (Panama), but because you are mostly bigots and racists, you carry on about Obama. If you don’t like the idea of a black American becoming President, just say it already. Face your fears and admit your bigotry. The nation will survive – but will you?
I wish the Supreme Court had heard it. I have no illusions that they would have said Obama was not eligible, but it would have put some finality to something that is going to keep coming up
Indeed Don.
The constitution is only for regulating it’s every day citizens, not elected officials. In other words, America and democracy no longer exist. America is dead. We need to rename it the Socialistic States of America. We are no longer united.
Why should he? Why must he kowtow to the tinfoil-hat wearing crowd? They do not have a single shred of evidence that says he is not a natural born citizen. Why is a certificate of live birth not enough? Why is the word of a state official not enough? What evidence does anyone have that proves otherwise?
Listen, pal, many many moons ago when I was applying for something much less significant than being allowed to carry the nuclear football around and issuing executive orders for the single most powerful nation this world has ever seen, I was told to acquire and produce a notarized copy of my personal birth certificate, the original one, mind you.
Allow me to add that, in order to comply with that order, I had to get in touch with a church clerk from an obscure, tiny, one-horse podunk village in a foreign country, asking him to dig up a yellowed document almost four decades old, something that was neither easy, nor particularly cheap.
But I guess, by your standards, I should have been allowed to reply: “listen, you dumb kooky [edited], you have my word that I was born in Podunkville on that date, so just [edited] off and accept my application already!”
Care to venture a quick guess as to what their response would have been and what would have happened to my application?
And don’t give me the “but Hawaiian officials have said that it’s A-OK” either, because I can guaran-damn-tee you that no amount of phone calls, letters or emails from that old church clerk would have done the trick either. They were quite clear about what would and would not be acceptable, and only a signed, notarized copy of the original on paper fit the bill.
But I guess all of that doesn’t matter when you’re applying for something as insignificant as President of the United States of America?
Sheesh, already.
You don’t bother with McCains shaky birth (Panama),
I’ll tell you why we don’t, and it has nothing to do with racism, it’s because McCain, whom I hate and despise with a purple passion and I would have liked nothing more than to see his candidacy thrown out the farkin’ window, produced all of his documents the very moment doubts and concerns were made public.
AND said documents proved that there was nothing “shaky” about it.
But the bottom line is that he didn’t fight producing the documents in court, spending tens of thousands of dollars and months of wasted time on refusing to do so. He released the whole kit and kaboodle without as much as a “waitaminute!” Birth records, educational records, even his [edited] medical records which, last I checked aren’t mentioned at all in the Constitution as being relevant for your eligibility for office.
Face your fears and admit your bigotry. The nation will survive – but will you?
Is that a threat, grasshopper? Getting ready to don the brown shirt of the Obameinführer’s new “volunteer” civilian corps, are you?
What you need to face is the fact that your intellect isn’t one thirtieth of what your momma tried to convince you it was in order to keep you from slitting your own wrists.
Dumbass.
Anyone give any thought to what sort of blackmail might be exercised by someone (anyone) (anyone with who-knows-what connections!) who happens to KNOW for certain that the damned thing DOES document a problem? Like maybe he, and the power-dogs like Axelrod, got started on this road to the presidency and it all went so fast out of the gate that it’s “just too late to bring it up now”? Better to just squat on it
Sort of like the extreme danger Clinton unzipped his trousers into when he hooked up with Monica—how could he POSSIBLY know who she was or wasn’t talking to—or who sent her——–blackmail heaven, if you ask me. Like wouldn’t the Chinese have been delighted to know about that blue dress before Drudge heard about it?
All this sort of crap should always be cleared up, ASAP.
I had to provide a certified copy of my birth certificate to get my license renewed the last time. Were the officials who demanded I prove who I am nut-jobs? No, it’s just common sense. What’s needed is a law that mandates candidates for Congress and the presidency provide a certified copy of their birth certificate, which must be a part of the public record, before filing for those offices.
Franko whines: “You don’t bother with McCains shaky birth (Panama), but because you are mostly bigots and racists, you carry on about Obama.”
There were questions raised about McCain’s birth and they were promptly taken care of. Both of McCain’s parents were Americans, his father was in the service of his country and the Canal Zone was under U.S. jurisdiction.
Questions were raised about Goldwater’s status because Arizona was merely a territory at the time of his birth. They were answered. Obama seems to think he is above everyone when it comes to following the law. That’s not what I was taught – that we are a nation of laws, not of men.
I don’t put much credence in all this talk about Obama’s nationality, I’m pretty sure it will turn out that he is indeed a natural born American. What torques me off is his overweening arrogance and refusal to answer questions by producing a document that every other citizen in the country must produce for much less reason that they are running for the presidency.
All this sort of crap should always be cleared up, ASAP.
And that’s the bottom line, my friend, couldn’t agree more.
I’m not married to any particular outcome, if it comes out the way that I think that it will, that his docs are perfectly in order, then that’s that.
But I am deeply troubled by the seeming implication that some citizens are somehow more citizens than others as in “don’t need to follow the law and basic procedures.”
Like NevadaDailySteve, it’s the arrogance that pisses me off. That and the notion that we’re somehow not all equal before the law.
President-Elect Obama provided all the needed documentation to prove his birth in Hawaii. Others have produced still more documentary evidence (such as the announcement of his birth in a local paper at the time). The document he presented was examined and authenticated.
But some people won’t accept that. Not if God Almighty told them they were wrong. They’d say it was the Devil mocking them. Not if time travel became a reality and they could see his birth for themselves. Just a hollywood stunt.
Oh, and we really did land on the Moon. Jesus Christ and Pope Gregory X were not the same person. Clark Gable never went to an emergency room to have ferret extracted. A sixty-year-old man without the use of one hand did not commit the Jack the Ripper murders at the request of the Masons. The world is not flat. Nor hollow. Evolution and gravity are real. Hitler’s brain is not somewhere in South America. And the Harry Potter books were not written by committee.
The Hawaii Department of Health does NOT provide photocopies of long form certificates. Short forms are the only ones available. They got the State Department to certify their short form, so apparently it is a non-issue for other circumstances. Would it be possible for President-Elect Obama to pull some strings and get a copy of his long form out of the state vaults, an option that is not available to the general public? Probably. But it simply isn’t necessary and he has no need to satisfy people who don’t even respect the State Department’s strict birth certificate requirements. And I can only imagine the uproar if he attempted that.
SOCIALIST BARACK OBAMA ABUSING UNELECTED GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES TO GAIN POLITICAL ADVANTAGE
I am required, by Federal Law, to provide proof of citizenship if i want to work NEAR
a Government building, refinery or power plant. Can I be President without the same?
I don’t think so!
Logic alone merits a look at this issue because it IS a clear Constitutional issue. Doesn’t even need any interpretation. There are only 2 qualifications to be President…and natural citizenship is one of them. Was he born here or NOT? Since there are so many questions about it, why is Hawaii sealing the document? Why isn’t Obama demanding that they cough it up and put the issue to rest? Until they do, he will be considered by many (including me) to be the illegitimate President…just like they did to Bush because he lost the popular vote in 2000. I guess the rules only apply to Republicans.
Cough it up Mr. President.
But some people won’t accept that. Not if God Almighty told them they were wrong.
Hey, I’d accept a notarized copy of the original document, something that any citizen can get for a few bucks.
Heck, I’ll even reimburse the poor multi-millionaire Obamessiah if he can’t come up with the sawbuck from his T-shirt sales and donations from Saudi Arabia through his fraudulent website.
Seriously. Have him send me a receipt for the expense incurred by him requesting that document and I’ll send him a money order right away.
The Hawaii Department of Health does NOT provide photocopies of long form certificates. Short forms are the only ones available. They got the State Department to certify their short form, so apparently it is a non-issue for other circumstances.
It’s bloody curious that said short form version isn’t enough to get a job as a meter maid anywhere else, isn’t it? I guess that if you’re born in Hawaii, you’re exempt from all of those tedious rules that the rest of us have to live by.
You really need to personally apologize to anybody you’ve ever lowered the IQ of by being present in the same room as they.
Luke said:”I have to ask a question. Do we really want the Supreme Court over-ruling the election? Even if he isn’t qualified, do we want the precedent of one branch deciding who is in charge of another?”
Absolutely yes! If the Supreme Coourt will not support the Constitution, the US is a memory. Remember, the Supreme Court forced, yes forced, Nixon to reveal information he was supressing and, as a result, we impeached the crook. The same needs to happen to Obaba–prove you are a citizen or be removed from office.
“The question will only continue to haunt him until he stamps out the fire.”
I doubt he gives it any thought at all, let alone be “haunted” by it. Are you like this with anything else in your life? Perhaps you should visit a therapist.
It certainly does matter that candidates for the Presidency meet the Constitutional qualifications therefor, but the idea that we need an administrative process that determines the level of proof one needs to show in order to prove candidacy for public office lacks a basis. The reason there’s such a process for whatever license you were seeking is likely because there have been attempts at fraudulently attaining such licenses, so much so that some folks in the government decided that the administrative cost for checking such qualifications was worth preventing such fraud. With the possible exception of the 2000 election, we have yet to hear of any attempts at fraudulently attaining the Presidency, and there’s no reason to think that such attempts would not be ferreted out by the political process. In my view, the amount of scrutiny one gets in an election vitiates the need for such an administrative process.
The fact of the matter is that Barack Obama has displayed hard evidence that he is a natural born citizen of the United States by producing the short form birth certificate, or “certificate of live birth,” and there’s no evidence to refute the veracity of that document. Why is that not enough?
Again I ponder…Anna Nicole Smith worthy of the Court’s time. Larry Flynt worthy of the Court’s time.
A direct Constitutional issue NOT worthy of the Court’s time….?
And some posting here are the same ones who saw nothing wrong with anything that the Clintons ‘alledgedly’ did. Cover up the evidence, no matter how much it smells, and bottle it as Chanel No. 5 and sell it to the ignorant masses, eh, Kameraden?
Not when the underlying dispute has no merit.
So, anytime I’m required to produce my birth certificate, say to obtain a passport, the individual/institution demanding proof is engaged in nutjobbery?
why don’t these people that are hater leave obama and his family along. when other president was elected there were no question ask about theor citizenship. all of this is because he is the first black president. what is it going to be next.
Either Obama has nerves of steel or he has nothing to lose by not providing birth certificate. He lost votes because he refused to show his birth certificate. That option was better than showing it and proving he was born in Kenya and losing all votes. Hopefully someday we will know who killed Kennedy and where Obama was born. This may go down in history as worst crime in USA history if Obama gets away with his lies. This is same as O J Simpson case as he is getting away with a crime and is guilty as hell. Nothing we can do except keep hounding him.
You must be sweating a lot under that tinfoil hat.
Just to clarify one thing: the Donofrio lawsuit, which SCOTUS declined to hear today, doesn’t have anything to do with the birth certificate issue or the born-in-Kenya issue or the lived-in-Indonesia issue. Those are being addressed by the Berg lawsuit. Donofrio agrees that Obama was born in Hawaii; he is just claiming that Obama, and also McCain, for a different reason, are not constitutionally “natural born”.
Having brought numerous war criminalss to power in 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court should be reluctant to broach any questions about the president-elect. He has supplied a copy of his Birth Certificate and the State of Hawaii has verified his citizenship, what is next from the crooked Christian Right?
Yes, we do want the Supreme Court to “over-rule” the election if a candidate is not qualified to run for President.
What part of standards, rules and law don’t some people get?
Why does Obambi get a pass on verifiying his eligability when probably many of us have to practically provide a right-arm before we get hired for a job?
The question is not whether Barry Hussein is an American citizen or not, he likely is, but whether he is “natural born” that is, born in the USA.
Since The Messiah With A Thin Resume has failed to provide access to his original birth certificate, college records and health records, we can only assume he is hiding something.
Actually I don’t want him disqualified from office. I can’t wait for a smug, unaccomplished lawyer like Barry to start enacting socialist programs – talk about brewing a real backlash. Bring it on, Barry!
Ad hominem aside, this is untrue. I’ve only ever had short forms of my birth certificate (I have no idea whether my state provides long forms), and I’ve never had a single problem with only that. Of course, that’s just a personal anecdote and not at all conclusive, but the fact that Hawaii does not provide long forms to anyone, makes it pretty clear that this so-called “requirement” is simply made of whole cloth by the more imaginative among us. If it weren’t, then the state government of Hawaii would be actively removing every one of its native-born citizens from contention to be part of a rather large portion of the economy (even a job as a “meter maid”, as you claim).
No, but continually claiming that an individual has not provided a birth certificate, over six months after a copy certified by the state was provided, might be accurately characterized as “nutjobbery.”
Indeed, I’ve only had to produce my birth certificate a few times in my life, and I too have only needed to provide a “short form” certificate (I have no idea if it’s called that, but it’s no longer than Obama’s short form) for those reasons. I don’t understand why my short form certificate was enough to acquire a passport, yet Obama’s short form is not enough to assail doubts about his place of birth.
1. The “Presidential election” doesn’t happen until the electoral college casts their vote.
2. Illegal elections should be upheld because they happened?
3. Why can Al Franken challenge an election that already happened but “We the People” shouldn’t be allowed the same?
4. So you believe because 20 million illegal people entered the country, they should be allowed to stay?
5. If enough people agree to a crime, should it be allowed to happen? I imagine a lot of people would condone killing certain people in our society. So would it be a crime?
You don’t have to prove that you are a “natural born citizen” as required by the Constitution to get a passport.
And I don’t understand how a short form birth certificate does not tell us that information. The damn thing said he was born in Honolulu. What more information do we need?
IT’S JUST AMAZING how much my respect for the various obamazealots rises every time I see (read) one of them take off with all sorts of ridiculous exaggerations, high-sounding political commentary (whine/whine/whine) that has no connection to anything legal, constitutional or otherwise sensible, and conclude that anyone NOT in the tank for “O” is a racist/blind/ignorant/bully/fool.
They so clearly demonstrate why “public education” is held in such similar high regard, don’t they?
Misha I said:
“They were quite clear about what would and would not be acceptable, and only a signed, notarized copy of the original on paper fit the bill.”
What would have happened if there had been a fire or flood that destroyed the original document? Would you have been disqualified from the presidency? The answer is, no, you would have to find some other proof, such as a sworn statement from a parent, sibling or medical attendant. A copy of a birth certificate is not the only acceptable proof of citizenship. The Constitution certainly doesn’t mandate that particular proof. Clearly the state of Hawaii provides sufficient proof of citizenship for its citizens. Otherwise they wouldn’t be able to get clearances, passports, etc.
We used to be “a nation of laws, not men”. Now we’re a nation of men – celebrities – lawyers/politicians who all game the system for their own benefit.
This is an example of the dumbing down in public schools. This is why today people speak of our “democracy” when we were (and supposed to be) a constitutional republic.
Simple majority rule is not to be envied. Just because 52% of drones voted for a smooth talking lawyer with no experience, pushed by 24/7 media cheerleading for him,
is it any wonder BHO won? Against a weak, boring, liberal republican like McCain?
There are two requirements to run for President. Thirty-five years of age and born in the USA.
A birth certificate can verify both requirements. Obambi posted a “Certificate of Live Birth” – not the same as a birth certificate, they are two different documents.
However, in our media obsessed, worship The One society, none of this will matter. An academic Marxist-wannabe like Obambi is gonna run into some big-time trouble once he gets into office. Reality will hit.
The vast majority of Americans can smell a socialist “redistributor” like Barry Dunham, a mile away. Good luck boy, you’re gonna need it to get out of DC.
It’s also AMAZING how unreasonable those who would continue this crusade are. The fact that they will flatly deny the evidence that is presented before them speaks volumes of their character.
Now the issue will never be settled. And Hawaii does not “control” access to the document. The person whose name upon it can have access. Obama could have settled this when he visited his dying grandmother who raised him. But he’s too arrogant.
Barry the boy king will lead us all to Marxism…..only he won’t call it that.
Instead, call it “compassion”, “fairness” and “enviromentalism”.
Have you heard this idiot talk economics? It is truly a laugh a minute! A typical lawyer who never worked outside of govt. in his entire life but found time to write two autobiographies – what a smug Marxist.
Buh-bye Barry-boy……..
Certificate of Live Birth is a Hawaii birth certificate, much like a Michigan birth certificate (I have my copy in front of me) is called a “Certified Copy of Record of Birth.” And the Michigan CCRB? Has *less* information than the Hawaii COLB. And it was sufficient for the records check required before I was allowed into sensitive areas in Cape Canaveral.
Get. Over. It. He was born in Hawaii, and both challenges (Berg and Donofrio) to his citizenship are completely absurd – as was the challenge to McCain’s.
Woo.
1) Obama HAS shown a real, live, in-person copy of his birth certificate, which has been confirmed as genuine by the non-partisan websites factcheck.org and politifact.com, as well as (far more importantly) the State of Hawaii itself.
2) The short-form birth certificate, which is personally verified by the head of the Hawaiian Dep’t of Health, is identical with the birth certificates issued by every state and not only for driver’s licenses and social security cards, but passports and security clearances. The long-form birth certificate is NOT considered universally valid for identification. This is because it is a non-standardized document that comes from private institutions, such as hospitals.
3) Obama does not AND CANNOT get a copy of the long-form birth certificate from the hospital, which now resides in the vaults of the State of Hawaii – and neither can ANYONE ELSE. The State of Hawaii simply does not reproduce long-form originals. They don’t even have a process in place to do this.
4) The Hawaiian law which allows birth certificates for foreign-born US citizens was passed in ****1982****. It was not possible to do this when Obama was born.
5) Even IF time-travel was possible, so this 1982 law could retroactively reach backwards and affect Obama’s ***1961*** birth certificate – that birth certificate would certainly not put “Honolulu” as that birth place.
6) COME ON!!!!!!!!
The Bush Administration wants to hold onto the White House, as does the GOP. McCain’s been trying to get that White House for 8 years, Hillary maybe for 20. If there was one shred of possibility to this conspiracy theory, don’t you think they would pursue it to Hell and back???
7) COME ON (part 2)!!!!!
Even if you think the entire Bush Administration, McCain campaign AND Hillary campaign were all in on the conspiracy – this guy’s going to be getting the nuclear football codes! Do you seriously think the CIA, NSA, FBI and the Pentagon would even THINK about having Obama near the codes if they weren’t 100% he was a natural-born citizen?
Please, people!
I understand you hate him. That’s fine. Why not criticize his policies, his choices? You could actually do some good there.
It is really pathetic that courts reject such cases, but more cases will come. This is a situation where people cannot solve the problem (eg i cannot contact Obama camp and ask them to mail me a certifies copy of the BC, long-form) so the courts are needed to bring the enforcement and get the truth. Are courts democrats? Do they get money from Obamacamp if they shut up?
The Smug-Laywer-In-Chief is a marketing program, nothing more. Oprah and Soros found a low-voiced, smooth talking lawyer to appeal to base instincts about race and preach class warfare (hatred of the successful).
The Pied Piper of Hyde Park is likely born in Hawaii but since he has kept his B.C., college transcripts and medical records hidden, we can never know for sure, can we?
Why do all other major candidates display their records and B. Hussein doesnt’ have to, cuz he’s so precious and special?
As Reagan said – “trust but verify”. Too much to ask for from a Savior I guess.
Our feminized, wimp in chief, the Great Bloviator, Barry caused this birth certificate controversy himself.
For The Anointed One, is the first major American presidential candidate to GO OUT OF HIS WAY TO PROUDLY PROCLAIM HOW HE HAS LIVED ALL OVER THE WORLD, THAT HIS FATHER WAS NOT AN AMERICAN, HOW HE IS MULTI-CULTURAL, MULTI-RACIAL, ETC.
That combined with his sleazy family background, out of wedlock birth, relatives in Kenya who claim that they were present at his birth in Kenya…all that created this controversy.
Jack-a** lawyer Obambi.
As a person who leans more left than right, I can only read this and laugh.
I have been embarrassed over the last couple years over the idiots on my side of the isle who claimed “Bush did 9/11″, but it looks like the kooks on the right decided that they couldn’t let any kooks on the left take the trophy from them on which group are the biggest nutcases in America.
Because this “conspiracy” makes the Bush did 9/11 conspiracy plausible (not that it is at all plausible – just in comparison to the Obama birth certificate conspiracy).
Let me see, a conspiracy born almost 50 years ago when an unknown child was born, perpetrated by both the local media in HI, and the state Govt in HI, and on up through all the players in the 2008 election!
I completely understand why Obama doesn’t give in and show the records…the longer he holds out, the longer and louder you nut-jobs yell (and the better Barack looks).
LOL. Keep that tinfoil hat on, Conservatives.
The joys of beating a dead horse would appear to be infinite.
A local Hawaiian newspaper announced Obama’s birth at the time, including the address of his parents. The man has been designated as President-Elect, something I suspect requires thorough vetting that includes confirmation of the man’s status as a US citizen.
The case has already been heard in court & its total lack of merit has been made part of the public record.
Mentally bankrupt garbage like this is why a black man with the middle name of Hussein could curb-stomp a former POW in a race for POTUS – & it’s why the sojourn of the GOP in the political wilderness looks likely to be a very long one indeed. The grownups of America are getting very very tired of humoring such spiteful idiocy in the face of an environment in crisis, a crippled economy & two stalemated wars.
Please, whatever you do, don’t EVER give up this ridiculous circus … in these dark times, such pure comedy gold is a valuable resource.
To Misha -
McCain was born on an AMERICAN MILIARY
BASE – - this constitutes his being
an Americn born citizen – -
Dumbest manufactured non-controversy ever. Congratulations.
Whatever McCain’s shortcomings, at least the war hero, born to a serving war hero recognized that he, though he had bled for his country, was not above the law. He placed the Constitution above himself and humbly complied with the law of the land. He supplied his records to inform the voting public. However I may disagree with him, I admire him as a man, a leader, a fighter, and a citizen. Obama has no such record and behaves in no such way. He is the first celebrity-President, Lindsey Lohan with the nuke codes. As a celeb, Barry is above the law, he is above the Constitution, he is above the People. He has followers and fans. That is why he never served anyone but himself. That is why he will not serve you, America. He will serve his racial and international ideology, his friends, and himself. 4 years from now, you’ll know the truth. Unfortunately, it will be too late [for] it to set you free.
Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz “Natural Born Citizen” Case Referred to Full Court by Justice Scalia (about Obama’s foreign father)
http://investigatingobama.blogspot.com/2008/12/wrotnowski-v-bysiewicz-natural-born.html
“Why doesn’t he request the original to be authenticated by proffessionals? That would stamp out the conspiracy theory for everyone but the true nuts.”
Are you just pretending you aren’t aware that the Hawaii registrar — THE professionals on this topic — have already provided this confirmation many, many times?
So right now we have highest authority possible stating that Obama is legit. Meanwhile we know you are a fraud.
Jay, I have been posting about this as well, so I will join you too. If we do not have respect for our Constitution we have nothing as a country. Thank you for all you do.
Hey Misha, how often do you change the foil in your hat? All you loons fail to accept a document produced by the State of Hawaii as valid. The short form is a direct transfer of pertinent information. This short form is the same document used to get your passport. Obama has provide an official state document. If you want to see the long form a Court would need to request it, not Obama. But wait the highest Court saw no need to do this based on already produced legal state docs. Go change the foil, Misha your uplink to your ET family is wavering.
Barry must be a citizen because government officials wouldn’t lie. Is this your silly way of saying you really don’t want to discuss the issue?
If you’re concerned with respecting the Constitution, then you should drop this silly crusade and respect the will of the people.
No, it’s a way of saying that there is no issue. BHO must be a natural born citizen because he has a state-issued document known as a birth certificate, or “certificate of live birth,” and he also has the Hawaii state authorities backing it, and there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY.
If you have any evidence that this government official is lying, then bring it forward. Otherwise you have no reason to think he is lying and no reason to doubt Obama’s natural born citizenship. Give up this silly crusade.
I find it hilarious to see a bunch of white people bickering about a black man’s natural born citizenship. Considering the fact that the Constitution was written by a bunch of slave owners who did not even MENTION slavery in the document, this is downright poetic justice in a sense. The very same document that did not protect slaves or native Americans is now being used as a beacon of righteousness because it appears to be working in favor of someone you all loathe. For crying out loud, his WHITE mama was born in Kansas—that’s not good enough? Hawaii has provided the documentation. All of you screaming about democracy being dead—but if the Supreme Court overrides the voters decision, then truly democracy is DEAD.
I’ll get straight to the point.
(((1)))
McCain provided his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE instantly. Obama has spent over $300,000 (and counting) to cover it up. It would cost him only $14 to show it.
(((2)))
Obama hasn’t even SAID he was born in Hawaii. And he WON’T SAY IT, because that will hurt him when he gets caught.
(((3)))
The Hawaii Dept of Health HAS NOT VERIFIED that the SHORT FORM COLB posted online is accurate. And they NEVER WILL because it will hurt them when he gets caught.
Yet somehow the Obama stans don’t find any of this remotely fishy. It is amazing how blind someone can be.
“that is sure to anger those that are passionately embedded in this.”
Then maybe they ought to get a life. What a bunch of pathetic losers.
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“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.
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Funny that the only “source” for that quote used by politifact was by a Tribune reporter.
Many media sources have attempted to get a similar statement from Janice. In response she released a statement to Forbes.com:
“Unfortunately the way state laws are written we are not allowed to confirm vital information and vital records,” said Janice Okubo, a spokeswoman for Hawaii’s department of health. “I cannot confirm individual information because that is against the law.”
Sounds like Janice did not confirm anything after all.
Why would she, according to politifact, confirm Obama’s BC copy – and then turn around and tell Forbes that it is illegal to confirm individual information?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
$300,000 in legal fees
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That is not an exact number, nor do I claim to know the exact number, but the figure has actually been set at $800,000. Obama has been dodging this for MONTHS behind his legal team.
And we both know lawyers aren’t cheap.
Compare that to the $10-$15 needed to simply cough up a copy of his original birth certificate.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Obama hasn’t even SAID he was born in Hawaii
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Willton – How am I “assuming”?
Please tell me when Obama has personally stated to the public that he was born in Hawaii. I will gladly stand corrected.
Obama has never said it. And never will. You forget that he used to be a lawyer so he chooses his words wisely.
For some of us, the point is not to shred your dreams of glory in electing a black man to office. Many of us could care less what color he (or she) is; in fact, most of us are proud that we have finally done so. The point is upholding the Constitution of the United States – the basis of ALL law and that document guaranteeing our rights and freedoms as citizens of this country. A single instance allowing an undermining of its principles sets precedent for further disruption of that basis of law – rendering ALL law null and void and, by extension, all the rights and freedoms we hold dear.
Those of you supporting Obama spreading your hate against everyone who does not, calling names and belittling, are no better than those you hurl insults at. There ARE people who would not vote for the man based solely on the color of his skin; likewise, there are others who voted FOR him for the same reason. They admitted their bias, up front and openly. To be honest, I have more respect for ALL of those people than I do for those claiming to have voted for him based on “policies.” He ran on “change” and in the 11th hour we find he’s not really changing much at all; yet instead of anger at being misled, all that comes from your quarter is more hate.
Everyone who did not cast a vote for Barack Obama is NOT a racist. You need to grow up, already. People like YOU are the reason racism thrives in this country, and people like YOU are the ones who will effect your own self-fulfilling prophesy. Your ignorance (yeah, go look that up in the dictionary, since I’m fairly sure you have no idea what the word REALLY means) is the reason this country is in the state it is and the reason we will never truly move forward.
For what it’s worth, to the poster above, I have a Michigan birth certificate, as well; as do each of my 4 children. Sorry, but they don’t give “less” information…. they give MORE: Parents’ names (including mother’s maiden name),county of residence, and birth hospital. The 5 in my possession were issued in 2 different counties, from the 1970s, 1990s, and 2000s; different sizes and colors of paper; but ALL stamped with the county clerks’ raised seal EMBEDDED INTO THE PAPER – including my own still evident nearly 4 decades since its issuance.
What’s your point?
Nice post Angie.
First, where’s your link to the Forbes article? If you’re going to posit that she said this, you should at least give us the link so we can see what was asked.
Second, there is a big difference between confirming the authenticity of a document and confirming the individual information on said document. She can do the former because the document is public now. She can’t do the latter because that would involve digging into Obama’s other private files that he has not disclosed to the public, which, without the express authorization of Obama, would likely be a violation of Hawaii’s privacy laws.
But of course, I’m sure that answer will just cause you to think that privacy laws in Hawaii are a part of this big conspiracy and that Obama has to open up his entire private life in order to satisfy you. But the fact of the matter is that THERE’S NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THE VERIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. Once again, beginning this journey with the belief that you’re being tricked has unduly colored your point of view.
By positing an ultimatum (He has NEVER said it) without evidence to prove it. Obviously, you won’t be able to find evidence to prove this position — only to disprove it. But that’s why it’s rarely a good idea to posit ultimatums like that above.
Please tell me when the public at large (not some fringe faction like “Stop The ACLU” readers) has asked him to state it, and then perhaps I’ll find it.
Again, there is no need to say it when the damn document says it for him. And there’s absolutely no reason to think that the document’s information is false.
Is it getting hot under that tinfoil hat?
“First, where’s your link to the Forbes article?”
http://blogs.forbes.com/trailwatch/2008/11/obamas-birth–1.html
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“Obama has to open up his entire private life in order to satisfy you”
Stop exaggerating, we just want him to release his original BC. All his other private info can stay private I could care less.
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“including your new position that he’s spent $800k”
That’s not my “new position”, that’s just the new figure going around. In my opinion it’s probably only around $300,000.
Once again I do not know the exact number, nor do I claim to know, nor is it possible to find out.
But top notch lawyers, especially those defending Obama for the past few months on this issue, cost $700+/hr. I’ll let you do the math.
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“Please tell me when the public at large has asked him to state it”
He has 15 lawsuits against him, 2 are already in the Supreme Court silly. The American Independent Party and Alan Keyes are asking. Philip J Berg, I’m sure you’ve heard of him, is asking. Millions of people have pledged their support to We The People. So don’t give me that bs. Nice try though.
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“And there’s absolutely no reason to think that the document’s information is false”
I know you won’t bother to even consider being open-minded, but just in case, this video should answer your questions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDIVEfVGLBQ
Please please drop this. The idea that Obama is not a U.S. citizen and that there is something to these lawsuits is nothing but right-wing trutherism.
Not a single respectable conservative has endorsed this stuff. Just today I read Michelle Malkin and David Horowitz denounce it as utter nonsense.
One of those behind the lawsuit is Alan Keyes, a kook if there ever was one. Now what does that tell you?
It is NOT true that Hawaii won’t ever release long form BC’s. They do release them to those with a “tangible interest” i.e. the self and immediate family, and presumably to courts too, if subpoenaed.
Two examples from Hawaii 1963 and 1962:
http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/passportusa/edith_front.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_R-l1iejogZw/SQLJZbuSVXI/AAAAAAAABKM/9B2p–yZzDw/s1600-h/Obama+COLB.jpg.
Note how very different they are from Obama’s posted “Certification of live birth. Regarding the issue of where he was born, the long forms, crucially,the long forms bear the SIGNATURE of those who witnessed the birth: MD/nurse/midwife and mother. They also show the hospital. As a professionally trained historian it would be a very bad precedent to accept something other than the PRIMARY SOURCE document, i.e. a photocopy of the long form BC, rather than a Web image of a laser printed document, which has never been shown to document experts or a court of law, rather than blogs like “FactCheck” “Politico” etc.
The long form is obviously much harder to forge, since it has traceable info: the hospital named can be checked against any hospital records. The medical attendant name can be checked vs. hospital records, as can the attendant’s signature. Mother’s signature can also be checked against other samples. No histoiran worthy of the name would accept as evidence of when or where a 1961 baby was born a Web image of a 2007 laser-printed COLB, rather than a photocopy of the original type-written BC with signatures of corroborating witnesses.
^ Nice to know that you don’t have an original thought process, and simply base your opinion off of the opinions of those around you.
Who cares what Michelle Malkin and David Horowitz say? Grow a pair Tom, do some research, and come to your own conclusion.
Why is Alan Keyes a kook? Because he states his mind, tells it like it is without the candy coating? Glad to see how “tolerant” the left is.
No, because he’s making claims that are based upon pure fantasy. That’s why he’s a kook.
Wilton doesn’t seem to think a Kenyan headline and Barack’s own grandmother when they SAID he was born in Kenya. Wilton doesn’t even believe Bill Richardson in Obama’s cabinet who just said Obama was an IMMIGRANT.
Yikes, we have to provide the real birth certificate for all manner of things. There is absolutely no doubt Obama is hiding something. WHAT exactly is it?
Does anyone doubt that if the GOP had won and their candidate had a similar issue that the press, CNN, and MSNBC would be screaming for the birth certificate 24/7?
I’m done with this. The facts are right out there for you all to see, but because you all are so fixated on this meritless theory, any mountain of facts that are inconvenient to your theory will be either ignored or twisted to fit your narrative. So go ahead, let your paranoia run wild. Anybody that disproves your conspiracy theory is clearly part of the conspiracy, right?
By the way, please have a read of the article linked below. Perhaps it will cause you all to wake up so you don’t all end up in the nuthouse.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/12/05/birth_certificate/
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,HMMMMMMMMMM, I don’t see ANY militias, well regulated or not, can you say BAAAAA! Your criticisms are just static on the NWO show. brought to you by the INTERNATIONAL BANKING CARTEL including THE FEDERAL RESERVE and their minions, your leaders aka GOV. YOU have the power to make change! But then the front seat of that new SUV is soooooooooo comfortable.
George Washington, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson also weren’t born in the United States. They were British citizens at birth. Hence Jefferson is disqualified from being President. Thus his Louisiana Purchase was illegal. Which means Louisiana, Arkansas and Missouri are not part of the United States. Therefore neither Harry Truman nor Bill Clinton were US-born. Truman signed the treaties ending World War 2, which means that is invalid and the USA is officially still at war with Germany and Japan.
why aren`t these lawyers given the chance to proove there case?A law suit has been filed against obamma.he is suppose to answer it,If he does not then he is considered guilty.He did not answer bergs law suit.I am not an attorney but I`ve been there and that is the law.who in the hell is stopping these attorneys from presenting their case.the SCOTUS is making a lot of people more curious as to wonder ,why the cover up?
“George Washington, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson also weren’t born in the United States. They were British citizens at birth. Hence Jefferson is disqualified from being President.” – Blake
Those present during the creation of our constitution were exempt from the rule and grandfathered in silly.
But I’m sure you already knew that.