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	<title>Comments on: Obama Says: Lawful Gun Owners Have Nothing To Fear</title>
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		<title>By: My Own Thoughts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On Guns and Obama</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/12/08/obama-says-lawfull-gun-owners-have-nothing-to-fear/comment-page-1/#comment-109963</link>
		<dc:creator>My Own Thoughts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On Guns and Obama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Easy as Apple Pie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Easy as Apple Pie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t care if you support or are offended by my right to keep and bear arms. I belive that if you are of the mind to come take what is mine your going to get what you&#039;ve got coming. Why not? You&#039;ve earned it at that point!

There are some real hurdles to ban guns in the United States, a lack of votes is the small hurdle. States rights will return to the forefront again in a way that we haven&#039;t seen since the Cival War. So coming for my guns, I doubt.

What does concern me is the stupidity of belief that pistol grips, flash hiders or magazine limited to 10 rounds will somehow make a difference.

Until we start making a difference in the lives of those that have no value for life there will continue to be death at the hands of a criminal.


As posted above &quot;When seconds counts, a cop is only minutes away&quot;.

Think about it, you are your best defense. Avoiding the areas prone to crime is but a symptom of the greater problem.

We need to end the war on drugs and start putting criminals in prison and onto the express lane of death row.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t care if you support or are offended by my right to keep and bear arms. I belive that if you are of the mind to come take what is mine your going to get what you&#8217;ve got coming. Why not? You&#8217;ve earned it at that point!</p>
<p>There are some real hurdles to ban guns in the United States, a lack of votes is the small hurdle. States rights will return to the forefront again in a way that we haven&#8217;t seen since the Cival War. So coming for my guns, I doubt.</p>
<p>What does concern me is the stupidity of belief that pistol grips, flash hiders or magazine limited to 10 rounds will somehow make a difference.</p>
<p>Until we start making a difference in the lives of those that have no value for life there will continue to be death at the hands of a criminal.</p>
<p>As posted above &#8220;When seconds counts, a cop is only minutes away&#8221;.</p>
<p>Think about it, you are your best defense. Avoiding the areas prone to crime is but a symptom of the greater problem.</p>
<p>We need to end the war on drugs and start putting criminals in prison and onto the express lane of death row.</p>
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		<title>By: Tippet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tippet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes well said Red. I do think the permitting process is needed due to felons and mental cases. But unfortunately it can go wrong- here in San Diego, theres a permitting process, but no one gets approved. I&#039;ve always had a CCP everywhere I&#039;ve lived, until here. Very frustrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes well said Red. I do think the permitting process is needed due to felons and mental cases. But unfortunately it can go wrong- here in San Diego, theres a permitting process, but no one gets approved. I&#8217;ve always had a CCP everywhere I&#8217;ve lived, until here. Very frustrating.</p>
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		<title>By: RedZone</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedZone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...after going and applying for my handgun permit the Friday after the election.&quot;

That should be a sentence never spoken in the United States.  This is a RIGHT, as affirmed by the Supreme Court.  Permits are for privileges.  The state/federal government should have no place to tell you whether or not you can have a gun, unless you are a felon (which, duly convicted by a jury of their peers, has had their rights suspended by due process of law).

Also, the second amendment was not about personal protection.  It was to prevent tyrannical control.  Please, read the Declaration of Independence! (Yes, I realize it was a document separate of the Constitution and the accompanying Bill of Rights, but it shows intent.)

&quot;...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;after going and applying for my handgun permit the Friday after the election.&#8221;</p>
<p>That should be a sentence never spoken in the United States.  This is a RIGHT, as affirmed by the Supreme Court.  Permits are for privileges.  The state/federal government should have no place to tell you whether or not you can have a gun, unless you are a felon (which, duly convicted by a jury of their peers, has had their rights suspended by due process of law).</p>
<p>Also, the second amendment was not about personal protection.  It was to prevent tyrannical control.  Please, read the Declaration of Independence! (Yes, I realize it was a document separate of the Constitution and the accompanying Bill of Rights, but it shows intent.)</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Panday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Panday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saturnalia,

Nice job in finally using a spell-check before you post.  Although writing &quot;gonna&quot; does make you seem like some illiterate, text-messaging teenager.

You get this kind of stuff pointed out to you when you appoint yourself as the spelling martinet (like you did in your first comment).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saturnalia,</p>
<p>Nice job in finally using a spell-check before you post.  Although writing &#8220;gonna&#8221; does make you seem like some illiterate, text-messaging teenager.</p>
<p>You get this kind of stuff pointed out to you when you appoint yourself as the spelling martinet (like you did in your first comment).</p>
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		<title>By: Tippet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tippet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing in response to Saturnalia- I think the &quot;starter gun&quot; handle is in reference to the caliber of that P22 model, it&#039;s a .22 which is widely regarded as the ideal caliber for a beginner. It is quite lethal, with precise shot placement, but in a crisis situation it&#039;s better to have a heavier-duty caliber. I repect your right to choose to let others defend you, and I would defend you. I would never criticize you for your choice, I&#039;ve served to protect your freedom. God Bless You. As a free man, an American, a former Marine, I choose to be able to defend myself. When seconds counts, a cop is only minutes away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing in response to Saturnalia- I think the &#8220;starter gun&#8221; handle is in reference to the caliber of that P22 model, it&#8217;s a .22 which is widely regarded as the ideal caliber for a beginner. It is quite lethal, with precise shot placement, but in a crisis situation it&#8217;s better to have a heavier-duty caliber. I repect your right to choose to let others defend you, and I would defend you. I would never criticize you for your choice, I&#8217;ve served to protect your freedom. God Bless You. As a free man, an American, a former Marine, I choose to be able to defend myself. When seconds counts, a cop is only minutes away.</p>
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		<title>By: Tippet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tippet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who believes in gun control simply doesn&#039;t understand the issue. The only people who abide the law are-yes that&#039;s right- law-abiding people. The guy you really need to fear will have a gun regardless of the law. Armed criminals love gun control. You first time gun-buyers: yes it&#039;s good to start with a .22LR, in fact I&#039;m not alone in believeing a .22LR is more effective than a .32 or .380 and ammo is cheap/plentiful.  If you want a bigger caliber, don&#039;t mess around with a 9mm or .40, go straight for the .45ACP

As for you right-bashing Lefties, I voted against B.O. and I also believe W. will be remembered as the worst president in US history. B.O. may or may not keep his word about the gun issue; I want to believe him, but having already suffered significasntly in the 2A-rights arena here in Cali, I&#039;m very uncomfortable right now. I&#039;m even more uncomfortable about the economy, but that&#039;s getting off-topic. Suffice it to say I&#039;m not a single-issue voter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who believes in gun control simply doesn&#8217;t understand the issue. The only people who abide the law are-yes that&#8217;s right- law-abiding people. The guy you really need to fear will have a gun regardless of the law. Armed criminals love gun control. You first time gun-buyers: yes it&#8217;s good to start with a .22LR, in fact I&#8217;m not alone in believeing a .22LR is more effective than a .32 or .380 and ammo is cheap/plentiful.  If you want a bigger caliber, don&#8217;t mess around with a 9mm or .40, go straight for the .45ACP</p>
<p>As for you right-bashing Lefties, I voted against B.O. and I also believe W. will be remembered as the worst president in US history. B.O. may or may not keep his word about the gun issue; I want to believe him, but having already suffered significasntly in the 2A-rights arena here in Cali, I&#8217;m very uncomfortable right now. I&#8217;m even more uncomfortable about the economy, but that&#8217;s getting off-topic. Suffice it to say I&#8217;m not a single-issue voter.</p>
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		<title>By: Saturnalia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saturnalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;apparently, the normal enjoyment of surfing the net and blogging just don’t get it for your twisted personality.&quot;

Yet you think that the &#039;normal enjoyment&#039; of Internet use includes setting up a widget-choked site like this one and stocking it with borderline illiterate right-wing conspiracy theorists who make it their life&#039;s mission to invent and propagate ridiculous lies about the next U.S. president? He won&#039;t even take office for over a month and you hammerheads are practically calling for impeachment already.

Are any of you honest enough to acknowledge that the Bush administration f*cked up your country and probably made you, personally, poorer over the past 8 years? Or are you just gonna pretend the first morning Obama wakes up in the White House that he&#039;s uniquely responsible?

You guys need jobs. That would be a start. Thing is, the Bushies have made those kind of hard to find, now, haven&#039;t they.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;apparently, the normal enjoyment of surfing the net and blogging just don’t get it for your twisted personality.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet you think that the &#8216;normal enjoyment&#8217; of Internet use includes setting up a widget-choked site like this one and stocking it with borderline illiterate right-wing conspiracy theorists who make it their life&#8217;s mission to invent and propagate ridiculous lies about the next U.S. president? He won&#8217;t even take office for over a month and you hammerheads are practically calling for impeachment already.</p>
<p>Are any of you honest enough to acknowledge that the Bush administration f*cked up your country and probably made you, personally, poorer over the past 8 years? Or are you just gonna pretend the first morning Obama wakes up in the White House that he&#8217;s uniquely responsible?</p>
<p>You guys need jobs. That would be a start. Thing is, the Bushies have made those kind of hard to find, now, haven&#8217;t they.</p>
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		<title>By: snaggletoothie</title>
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		<dc:creator>snaggletoothie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Just Sayin&#039;

Get help.  Get a life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Just Sayin&#8217;</p>
<p>Get help.  Get a life.</p>
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		<title>By: I'm Just Sayin'</title>
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		<dc:creator>I'm Just Sayin'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>snaggie,

How is asking how a PPK is going to protect his rights an ad hominem attack?  Or, is that just a word on your calendar for the day and you thought you&#039;d use without understanding it?

You tools (that&#039;s ad hominem) need guns to protect yourself from the scary Commie and his desire to take your gun (that&#039;s not)  A PPK isn&#039;t gonna chase away any Blackhawks?  Ask David Koresh. If the government wanted your gun, it would take it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>snaggie,</p>
<p>How is asking how a PPK is going to protect his rights an ad hominem attack?  Or, is that just a word on your calendar for the day and you thought you&#8217;d use without understanding it?</p>
<p>You tools (that&#8217;s ad hominem) need guns to protect yourself from the scary Commie and his desire to take your gun (that&#8217;s not)  A PPK isn&#8217;t gonna chase away any Blackhawks?  Ask David Koresh. If the government wanted your gun, it would take it.</p>
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