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		<title>By: Pieter Nosworthy</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/12/06/of-presidents-and-constitutional-republics/comment-page-1/#comment-109750</link>
		<dc:creator>Pieter Nosworthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps there is NATIONAL CONSENSUS on the following;

A. There ARE eligibility requirements to be President IAW the Constitution.

B. Someone (Many) has (have) the responsibility to ENSURE eligibility requirements are met.

C. An ineligible candidate should NOT hold the office of the President.

OK, here&#039;s the rub;

1. What are the requirements for POTUS? Why are they what they are?

2. Who was obligated to ensure only valid Presidential candidates were put before the voting citizenry?

3. Here&#039;s the zinger, what do you do after an election and prior to inauguration to ensure a candidate has met the requirements?

My take-

1. Natural born citizen, at least 35 years of age, and a resident of 14 years (short and sweet). I support the framers’ contention &quot;natural&quot; born meaning born on US territory to parents (plural) of American citizenship. The contention ensures against ANY questions regarding foreign loyalties. &quot;Natural&quot; is founder language specifically addressing unambiguous ALLEGIANCE to this Nation. 

Something only I only recently understood is WHY the framers, the congress, and every President to date considered the phrase “natural born citizen” to be SELF EVIDENT and not requiring definition.  It is now evident to me- “natural” (having unambiguous ALLEGIANCE to the Nation) “born” (native of these lands we call the United States) “citizen” (American).  

2. Candidate is obligated upon demand to provide proof of eligibility to political national committee and State Election Officers (those responsible for setting the ballot).

3. Candidate that is seeking office (and taxpayer salary) is obligated to prove without doubt his/her eligibility to assume office (especially in cases of where questions indicate otherwise), the US congress can refuse to accept the votes from the electoral college until such undeniable proof is given, and lastly, the courts can compel relevant parties to submit to said obligations or duties.

As far as the birth certificate questions, natural born, and whatever else is bugging you about Mr. Obama’s candidacy...it&#039;s the courts or nothing (ambiguity).

Additional thoughts from a dumb active duty American Soldier-

1. We live in a constitutional republic. Period. Republics derive their validity based on the rule of law. Folks who cry “will of the people” and pick and choose which rules are to be obeyed or ignored are treading a path of potential tyranny (at the very least an illegitimate government). Ask yourself if you want President Bush to hold a third term contrary to the 22nd Amendment.

2. Mr. Obama’s birth certificate issue is a clever ploy to obfuscate the true measure of his eligibility to be President. He is/was a constitutional lawyer; he’s stated that he is a “native” born American with dual citizenship; There should be no doubt he understood ambiguity existed as to his constitutional eligibility to hold the office of the President regarding Article II. The obligation is upon those that SEEK public office to prove eligibility beyond a shadow of a doubt (to self and constituency). To swear an oath to protect, uphold, and defend the Constitution to hold that office with knowing that ambiguity existed is criminal and disingenuous.  
If you are unaware, the Constitution refers to only two kinds of Americans: citizens and natural born citizens.  Citizens are either native born or naturalized.  Only ONCE is it mentioned the term “natural born citizen” in the entirety of the United States Constitution…in reference to the requirement for holding the Office of President (and Vice-President). 

3. Who should care that candidates meet eligibility requirements to hold office? Why is it important that requirements are created, expected, and complied? What are the consequences in this situation for malfeasance / misfeasance regarding the highest guiding document of our Nation? What would our founding fathers say about this current situation? What are we doing for the future of our Nation when we shirk the responsibilities of the present? Can an ineligible candidate that has assumed office give a “lawful order” to the United States Armed Forces? 

Answers to questions I and others have asked-

Something I only recently understood (remember I’m a dumb Soldier) is WHY the framers, the courts, the congress, and EVERY President to date considered the phrase “natural born citizen” to be SELF EVIDENT and not requiring definition. It is now clear to me why- “natural” (having unambiguous ALLEGIANCE to the Nation) “born” (native of these lands we call the United States) “citizen” (American).

Mr. Obama is the first candidate EVER to have the presumption to run for office with ADMITTED dual citizenship. EVER. Let that sink in...the Founding Fathers would have crapped themselves.

If you wonder what a naturalized citizen means...to become a citizen through oath of ALLEGIANCE and intent for residency in the United States. A (native born) citizen is not required to swear an oath and derives their citizenship through place of birth or citizenship of parent(s).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps there is NATIONAL CONSENSUS on the following;</p>
<p>A. There ARE eligibility requirements to be President IAW the Constitution.</p>
<p>B. Someone (Many) has (have) the responsibility to ENSURE eligibility requirements are met.</p>
<p>C. An ineligible candidate should NOT hold the office of the President.</p>
<p>OK, here&#8217;s the rub;</p>
<p>1. What are the requirements for POTUS? Why are they what they are?</p>
<p>2. Who was obligated to ensure only valid Presidential candidates were put before the voting citizenry?</p>
<p>3. Here&#8217;s the zinger, what do you do after an election and prior to inauguration to ensure a candidate has met the requirements?</p>
<p>My take-</p>
<p>1. Natural born citizen, at least 35 years of age, and a resident of 14 years (short and sweet). I support the framers’ contention &#8220;natural&#8221; born meaning born on US territory to parents (plural) of American citizenship. The contention ensures against ANY questions regarding foreign loyalties. &#8220;Natural&#8221; is founder language specifically addressing unambiguous ALLEGIANCE to this Nation. </p>
<p>Something only I only recently understood is WHY the framers, the congress, and every President to date considered the phrase “natural born citizen” to be SELF EVIDENT and not requiring definition.  It is now evident to me- “natural” (having unambiguous ALLEGIANCE to the Nation) “born” (native of these lands we call the United States) “citizen” (American).  </p>
<p>2. Candidate is obligated upon demand to provide proof of eligibility to political national committee and State Election Officers (those responsible for setting the ballot).</p>
<p>3. Candidate that is seeking office (and taxpayer salary) is obligated to prove without doubt his/her eligibility to assume office (especially in cases of where questions indicate otherwise), the US congress can refuse to accept the votes from the electoral college until such undeniable proof is given, and lastly, the courts can compel relevant parties to submit to said obligations or duties.</p>
<p>As far as the birth certificate questions, natural born, and whatever else is bugging you about Mr. Obama’s candidacy&#8230;it&#8217;s the courts or nothing (ambiguity).</p>
<p>Additional thoughts from a dumb active duty American Soldier-</p>
<p>1. We live in a constitutional republic. Period. Republics derive their validity based on the rule of law. Folks who cry “will of the people” and pick and choose which rules are to be obeyed or ignored are treading a path of potential tyranny (at the very least an illegitimate government). Ask yourself if you want President Bush to hold a third term contrary to the 22nd Amendment.</p>
<p>2. Mr. Obama’s birth certificate issue is a clever ploy to obfuscate the true measure of his eligibility to be President. He is/was a constitutional lawyer; he’s stated that he is a “native” born American with dual citizenship; There should be no doubt he understood ambiguity existed as to his constitutional eligibility to hold the office of the President regarding Article II. The obligation is upon those that SEEK public office to prove eligibility beyond a shadow of a doubt (to self and constituency). To swear an oath to protect, uphold, and defend the Constitution to hold that office with knowing that ambiguity existed is criminal and disingenuous.<br />
If you are unaware, the Constitution refers to only two kinds of Americans: citizens and natural born citizens.  Citizens are either native born or naturalized.  Only ONCE is it mentioned the term “natural born citizen” in the entirety of the United States Constitution…in reference to the requirement for holding the Office of President (and Vice-President). </p>
<p>3. Who should care that candidates meet eligibility requirements to hold office? Why is it important that requirements are created, expected, and complied? What are the consequences in this situation for malfeasance / misfeasance regarding the highest guiding document of our Nation? What would our founding fathers say about this current situation? What are we doing for the future of our Nation when we shirk the responsibilities of the present? Can an ineligible candidate that has assumed office give a “lawful order” to the United States Armed Forces? </p>
<p>Answers to questions I and others have asked-</p>
<p>Something I only recently understood (remember I’m a dumb Soldier) is WHY the framers, the courts, the congress, and EVERY President to date considered the phrase “natural born citizen” to be SELF EVIDENT and not requiring definition. It is now clear to me why- “natural” (having unambiguous ALLEGIANCE to the Nation) “born” (native of these lands we call the United States) “citizen” (American).</p>
<p>Mr. Obama is the first candidate EVER to have the presumption to run for office with ADMITTED dual citizenship. EVER. Let that sink in&#8230;the Founding Fathers would have crapped themselves.</p>
<p>If you wonder what a naturalized citizen means&#8230;to become a citizen through oath of ALLEGIANCE and intent for residency in the United States. A (native born) citizen is not required to swear an oath and derives their citizenship through place of birth or citizenship of parent(s).</p>
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		<title>By: A D</title>
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		<dc:creator>A D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://GetWith.us/PJB-1.htm

The DNC has admitted that Obama is an illegal alien.

That&#039;s why they did not answer the Supreme Court of The United States

They are getting ready to go to Jail for taking 750 million dollars from donors to back a L__r. Who knew and when did they Know IT?

Are the Islamist, Communist, Socialist, eoist, racist ready to rise up for their leader?

Truth can never be told so as to be understood and Not be believed.

http://GetWith.us/PJB.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://GetWith.us/PJB-1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://GetWith.us/PJB-1.htm</a></p>
<p>The DNC has admitted that Obama is an illegal alien.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why they did not answer the Supreme Court of The United States</p>
<p>They are getting ready to go to Jail for taking 750 million dollars from donors to back a L__r. Who knew and when did they Know IT?</p>
<p>Are the Islamist, Communist, Socialist, eoist, racist ready to rise up for their leader?</p>
<p>Truth can never be told so as to be understood and Not be believed.</p>
<p><a href="http://GetWith.us/PJB.htm" rel="nofollow">http://GetWith.us/PJB.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: madcap</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/12/06/of-presidents-and-constitutional-republics/comment-page-1/#comment-109210</link>
		<dc:creator>madcap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 08:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for the link and the kind words about my site. I&#039;m patiently waiting for Monday to see what happens along with everyone else. 
Peace,
Madcap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for the link and the kind words about my site. I&#8217;m patiently waiting for Monday to see what happens along with everyone else.<br />
Peace,<br />
Madcap</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/12/06/of-presidents-and-constitutional-republics/comment-page-1/#comment-109207</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 06:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The choice facing the Supreme Court on Monday boils down to civil unrest to protect the Constitution or civil war to proceed to &#039;inaugurate&#039; a non-&quot;natural born citizen&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The choice facing the Supreme Court on Monday boils down to civil unrest to protect the Constitution or civil war to proceed to &#8216;inaugurate&#8217; a non-&#8221;natural born citizen&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sillie Lizzie</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/12/06/of-presidents-and-constitutional-republics/comment-page-1/#comment-109200</link>
		<dc:creator>Sillie Lizzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Keyes is the man who SHOULD have been our &quot;first black president&quot;. I&#039;ve campaigned and supported him for eight years. But you know what? It was REPUBLICANS who said &quot;Americans would never elect a black man&quot;... and VOTED FOR THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS EVERY TIME. Why? Because the MEDIA was telling them who would win. 

You know how much sympathy I have for conservatives and Republicans now? .....&gt; 0

&quot;people get the government they deserve&quot; is just as true of the &quot;right&quot; as it is of the &quot;left&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Keyes is the man who SHOULD have been our &#8220;first black president&#8221;. I&#8217;ve campaigned and supported him for eight years. But you know what? It was REPUBLICANS who said &#8220;Americans would never elect a black man&#8221;&#8230; and VOTED FOR THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS EVERY TIME. Why? Because the MEDIA was telling them who would win. </p>
<p>You know how much sympathy I have for conservatives and Republicans now? &#8230;..&gt; 0</p>
<p>&#8220;people get the government they deserve&#8221; is just as true of the &#8220;right&#8221; as it is of the &#8220;left&#8221;.</p>
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