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	<description>Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer</description>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/12/03/propostion-8-the-musical/comment-page-1/#comment-109509</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The passages in the Old and New Testaments regarding homosexuality are minimal compared with the recurring, pervasive, and excellent themes of caring for the sick, the poor, the elderly, and the marginalized.

I am shocked that some Christians are perverting the central message of their own theology by encoding discrimination into a civil constitution. You are ignorant of your own theology.

Christ was deeply concerned with the disenfranchised, ridiculed, despised, and marginalized of his society. It was his central message.

Shame on you all for spending your time, money, and energy on a distraction like same sex marriage.

Religion solemnizes a marriage rite. The government accords benefits and protections. These are very separate things.

You cannot get married in a church alone and expect the government to legitimate your heirs or recognize your spouse for social security benefits, hospital visitation rights, or guardianship of your children -- to have SOCIETY recognize you, you must register your union with the state. That is all same-sex marriage is about... the right to so register and be recognized.

Shame on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The passages in the Old and New Testaments regarding homosexuality are minimal compared with the recurring, pervasive, and excellent themes of caring for the sick, the poor, the elderly, and the marginalized.</p>
<p>I am shocked that some Christians are perverting the central message of their own theology by encoding discrimination into a civil constitution. You are ignorant of your own theology.</p>
<p>Christ was deeply concerned with the disenfranchised, ridiculed, despised, and marginalized of his society. It was his central message.</p>
<p>Shame on you all for spending your time, money, and energy on a distraction like same sex marriage.</p>
<p>Religion solemnizes a marriage rite. The government accords benefits and protections. These are very separate things.</p>
<p>You cannot get married in a church alone and expect the government to legitimate your heirs or recognize your spouse for social security benefits, hospital visitation rights, or guardianship of your children &#8212; to have SOCIETY recognize you, you must register your union with the state. That is all same-sex marriage is about&#8230; the right to so register and be recognized.</p>
<p>Shame on you.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are really just terrible people...I haven&#039;t harassed anyone.  I haven&#039;t attacked the Christians.  All i want is the right to protect my boyfriend under the law to the same extent that straight people protect their husbands and wives.  If you don&#039;t want to call it marriage, then don&#039;t.  It&#039;s not your approval I want, it&#039;s the governments.  Why is that so much to ask?  Don&#039;t any of you realize that none of this would have happened in the first place if you hadn&#039;t revoked gay marriage in california?  

Seriously...why do you hate us so much?  Why do you hate those that are so different from you?  I&#039;ll seriously never frequent this website again, so I&#039;m not looking for answers...it just kills me.  I&#039;m not a bad guy.  I go to work.  I pay my taxes.  I take care of my grandmother and I love my family and friends...I just happen to also love another guy instead of a woman...why does that matter to you?

You wonder why so many gay teenagers kill themselves...they live in a world where they hear stuff like this all the time.  It&#039;s hard living life being told you&#039;re evil and a 2nd class citizen.  I bet most of you have no idea what that is like though.  I don&#039;t say that to be spiteful, but in seriousness.  I don&#039;t any of you have ever known the extent of shame and isolation that comes with being gay.  It is not a choice.  No one would wish this on themselves, and endure what we&#039;ve endured.

I don&#039;t want kids to learn about gays in school, I think that&#039;s a parent&#039;s responsibility.  I don&#039;t want christian churches forced to conduct a ceremony for me and my boyfriend within their walls.  I believe in the separation of church and state, and that goes both ways.  If a priest doesn&#039;t want to conduct my ceremony, it should be his choice.

All I want, all I&#039;ve ever wanted out of this, is to be seen as an equal in the eyes of my government.

Why are you all so opposed to that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are really just terrible people&#8230;I haven&#8217;t harassed anyone.  I haven&#8217;t attacked the Christians.  All i want is the right to protect my boyfriend under the law to the same extent that straight people protect their husbands and wives.  If you don&#8217;t want to call it marriage, then don&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s not your approval I want, it&#8217;s the governments.  Why is that so much to ask?  Don&#8217;t any of you realize that none of this would have happened in the first place if you hadn&#8217;t revoked gay marriage in california?  </p>
<p>Seriously&#8230;why do you hate us so much?  Why do you hate those that are so different from you?  I&#8217;ll seriously never frequent this website again, so I&#8217;m not looking for answers&#8230;it just kills me.  I&#8217;m not a bad guy.  I go to work.  I pay my taxes.  I take care of my grandmother and I love my family and friends&#8230;I just happen to also love another guy instead of a woman&#8230;why does that matter to you?</p>
<p>You wonder why so many gay teenagers kill themselves&#8230;they live in a world where they hear stuff like this all the time.  It&#8217;s hard living life being told you&#8217;re evil and a 2nd class citizen.  I bet most of you have no idea what that is like though.  I don&#8217;t say that to be spiteful, but in seriousness.  I don&#8217;t any of you have ever known the extent of shame and isolation that comes with being gay.  It is not a choice.  No one would wish this on themselves, and endure what we&#8217;ve endured.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want kids to learn about gays in school, I think that&#8217;s a parent&#8217;s responsibility.  I don&#8217;t want christian churches forced to conduct a ceremony for me and my boyfriend within their walls.  I believe in the separation of church and state, and that goes both ways.  If a priest doesn&#8217;t want to conduct my ceremony, it should be his choice.</p>
<p>All I want, all I&#8217;ve ever wanted out of this, is to be seen as an equal in the eyes of my government.</p>
<p>Why are you all so opposed to that?</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/12/03/propostion-8-the-musical/comment-page-1/#comment-108818</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;For the Bible Tells Me So&quot; movie had a rather deceptive title.  They don&#039;t really want to know what the Bible says - http://4simpsons.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/for-the-bible-tells-me-so/

Did you notice in the video how they used the lady to simulate sodomy from behind?  It was obviously a conscious choice.  It was weird -- almost as if using a guy would have been a little too close to reality?  Kinda homophobic on their part, don&#039;t you think?

And of course they lied through their teeth and implied that the &quot;normality&quot; of homosexuality wouldn&#039;t be taught to kids.  That happened within months of the judges decision that prompted Prop 8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;For the Bible Tells Me So&#8221; movie had a rather deceptive title.  They don&#8217;t really want to know what the Bible says &#8211; <a href="http://4simpsons.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/for-the-bible-tells-me-so/" rel="nofollow">http://4simpsons.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/for-the-bible-tells-me-so/</a></p>
<p>Did you notice in the video how they used the lady to simulate sodomy from behind?  It was obviously a conscious choice.  It was weird &#8212; almost as if using a guy would have been a little too close to reality?  Kinda homophobic on their part, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>And of course they lied through their teeth and implied that the &#8220;normality&#8221; of homosexuality wouldn&#8217;t be taught to kids.  That happened within months of the judges decision that prompted Prop 8.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Cutts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Cutts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should check out the movie &quot;For the Bible Tells Me So&quot; to see how real families deal with this issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajBR0dq0XXk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should check out the movie &#8220;For the Bible Tells Me So&#8221; to see how real families deal with this issue: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajBR0dq0XXk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajBR0dq0XXk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne from Jeremiah Films</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne from Jeremiah Films</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve added a your post and a quote on to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jeremiahfilms.com/BlogWatch/h8te/1204&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;H8te Watch - discerning tolerance vs intolerance&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve added a your post and a quote on to <a href="http://www.jeremiahfilms.com/BlogWatch/h8te/1204" rel="nofollow">H8te Watch &#8211; discerning tolerance vs intolerance</a></p>
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		<title>By: Louis Morrone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Morrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For once I actually agree with you guys- this is preposterous. .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For once I actually agree with you guys- this is preposterous. .</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/12/03/propostion-8-the-musical/comment-page-1/#comment-108774</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the linkage and quote.  The whole thing is astounding to me and I know it shouldn&#039;t be but it is.  So much of Hollywood just has absolutely zero respect for anyone beyond their circles that don&#039;t comply with their groupthink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the linkage and quote.  The whole thing is astounding to me and I know it shouldn&#8217;t be but it is.  So much of Hollywood just has absolutely zero respect for anyone beyond their circles that don&#8217;t comply with their groupthink.</p>
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		<title>By: Abdullah al-Libi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abdullah al-Libi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are the people who ever thought Jack Black was funny??? That &quot;band&quot; he had was plain awful and I had to sit through a CD of it on a road trip. I did not laugh once. The guy is trying to ride the &quot;wacky fat guy&quot; wave started by guys like Belushi and Farley but he plain SUCKS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are the people who ever thought Jack Black was funny??? That &#8220;band&#8221; he had was plain awful and I had to sit through a CD of it on a road trip. I did not laugh once. The guy is trying to ride the &#8220;wacky fat guy&#8221; wave started by guys like Belushi and Farley but he plain SUCKS.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The shrimp / shellfish argument is full of holes but is appealing to many because so few bother to read the passages in context. I address 5 major problems with it in &lt;a href=&quot;http://4simpsons.wordpress.com/2007/11/24/favorite-dish-of-liberal-theologians-skeptics-shellfish/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;flaws of the shellfish argument&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shrimp / shellfish argument is full of holes but is appealing to many because so few bother to read the passages in context. I address 5 major problems with it in <a href="http://4simpsons.wordpress.com/2007/11/24/favorite-dish-of-liberal-theologians-skeptics-shellfish/" rel="nofollow">flaws of the shellfish argument</a>.</p>
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