Supreme Court Sends Citizenship Appeal to an Anthrax Lab
Posted on December 2, 2008
Who is this man?
U.S. Supreme Court Building in Washington D.C.
U.S. Supreme Court JusticesAs expected, President-elect Barack Obama and the Democrat National Committee (DNC) let yesterday’s Supreme Court deadline to respond to Philip Berg’s Writ of Certiorari slip by unanswered, but it appears even at the Supreme Court, a deadline is not really a deadline as the Court allows two additional days for “mail service.”
Associate Justice David Souter denied an emergency appeal for the Court to halt the Electoral College’s tabulation of votes to officially declare Barack Obama the President, until proof of his eligibility is affirmed. While Souter denied the appeal, he did set the above mentioned requirement for a response from Obama and the DNC.
Attorney Philip Berg, this morning, filed an emergency injunction with the Court to bar Obama from taking the oath of office of the Presidency. Jeff at America’s Right interprets Berg’s motion as follows:
From what I could gather, the emergency motion for immediate injunction contains two main parts — in filing the motion, Berg is looking for the Court
(1) to prohibit the certification of electors by the governors of each individual state in order to stay the Electoral College from casting votes for Obama on December 15, and
(2) to stay the official counting of any votes for Obama by Vice President Dick Cheney, the House of Representatives and United States Senate on January 6, 2009, pending any decision on his appeal.
Berg is quoted as saying that he is one-thousand percent certain that Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen. Obama and the DNC are not “obligated” to file an answer, and Berg says that he “believes that the lack of response could be rooted less in procedure and more in audacity…” “The feeling may be that, if they respond, they could hold themselves out for perjury later on when we’re successful.”
As November 4th neared, a few of us were desperately attempting to get this information to the public. Surely, we thought (bloggers) this was an important and valid issue. After all, the Supreme Court ordered Obama to provide proof of his U.S. birth. How many times has that happened? But the MSM wouldn’t touch it. I thought the media, including cable television, viewed this as too ludicrous to even consider, but as time passed, credible reasons to believe that Obama could not provide proof of his U.S. birth, began piling up. Someone, for some reason, was able to keep this out of the MSM.
Here are other actions at work at the Supreme Court:
Donofrio v. Wells will be heard by the full Court with Justice Clarence Thomas chairing the Conference on December 5th. The purpose of the Conference is to consider granting Certiorari, which allows further review of the original lawsuit.
If 4 of the 9 Justices respond in the affirmative to Leo’s [Donofrio] case, there will be an oral argument and further briefing. If 5 of the 9 Justices respond in the affirmative, they could grant a stay of the Electoral College vote.
Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz “has been officially tendered to the Supreme Court…” All things get weirder when it concerns Barack Obama. Wrotnowski, allegedly, was told by the Court that his emergency stay renewal was referred to an ANTHRAX CONTAINMENT FACILITY! A reader left this information on a Maggie’s Notebook post, and it appears that is exactly what Wrotnowski is saying he was told in a telephone conversation (read more below).
Hunter v. Obama sent to the Supreme Court
For detailed information and commentary read the terrific work by The Right Side of Life which also reports this intriguing information:
There is also a rumor that the full Court may be seriously considering staying the Electoral College vote until after Barack Obama’s eligibility can be confirmed (the following excerpt from Bob Vernon of Honest American News (Plains Radio Network):
Today I spoke with Patricia McCabe Estrada, Deputy Director of Public Information at the United States Supreme Court. She informed me that Mr. Donofrio’s application was first referred to the full Court by Justice Clarence Thomas on November 19, 2008. After that referral took place the full Court, and not Justice Thomas alone, distributed the application for an emergency stay for Conference of December 5, 2008. [emphasis mine]
We now know that the renewed request to halt the election was not denied and is actively being considered at the Supreme Court.
The We the People Foundation placed a full page in the Chicago Tribune, running on December 1st and 3rd:
The Open Letter to Mr. Obama is a formal Petition for a Redress (Remedy) for the alleged violation of the “natural born citizen” clause of the Constitution of the United States of America.
Mr. Obama is respectfully requested to direct the Hawaiian officials to provide access to his original birth certificate on December 5-7 by our team of forensic scientists, and to provide additional documentary evidence establishing his citizenship status prior to our Washington, D.C. press conference on December 8.
A First Amendment Petition to any official of the Government for Redress of a violation of the Constitution is substantially different from the garden-variety political petitions frequently received by government officials. This Petition demands it be given the highest priority for an expedited review and official Response by Mr. Obama.
As a formal “Notice of a Constitutional Violation,” the Petition naturally includes the People’s inherent Right to an official Response. As a time-sensitive, election related Petition involving the Office of the President, failure to Respond as requested would constitute an egregious breach of the public trust and confirm the certainty of a Constitutional crisis.
Dr. Orly Taitz reports numerous phone calls to the SC demanding to know why Cort Wrotnowski’s Petition for Stay of Elections was delayed by 7 days because it was sent to an anthrax lab:
Mr. Wrotnowski is a law abiding citizen, a business owner, was never in trouble with the law. Why was his petition delayed by a week via sending it to the Anthrax lab. No response was received, no name of the clerk was given. These clerks are sabotaging anti Obama cases to put a foreigner in the White House, this is bordering on aiding and abetting treason.
Dr. Taitz is asking for our help:
Please write to all 9 judges, let them know what is going on, demand to join all 5 cases currently in the Supreme Court, you can send them a copy of our Keyes v Bowen petition for Writ of Mandate as a supporting document. Currently I am working on filing a second case, representing another group of candidates, party officials, Certified Electors and Registered voters and I am assisting other attorneys all around the country, that are preparing similar actions and trying to match voters and electors in different states with attorneys that can represent them.
Here’s contact information (if you have previous written, please continue to do so):
The Honorable Associate Justice
Clarence Thomas
United States Supreme Court
One First St. N. E.
Washington DC 20543Put docket # on Envelope 08-A407
Ask him to UPHOLD our Constitution with Full Disclosure as the only Constitutionally viable answer.
Also, send identical requests to the remaining Justices: Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Associate Justices David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Antonin G. Scalia, John Paul Stevens, Samuel A. Alito, Anthony M. Kennedy, Stephen G. Breyer
Read more about Dr. Taitz’s attempts to hold Barack Obama accountable.
America, this is no small thing.
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It should be 100% obvious to anyone by now that if disclosure has been thwarted for this long regarding showing a document (birth certificate) that you or I would have to show for a number of common instances in our lives, that this points to the fact he cannot .. not will not .. cannot. I also pray that Justice Thomas remembers Obamas comments about him and sways the decision to force him to show proof
This is ridiculous and shows what his true feelings are towards the people of this country, that we are just sheeple to ignore, while he being one of the elite, can do any damn thing he wants without worry. If he can produce it then by God after winning the election I’ll even call him Mr. President. If it turns out he is not eligible and this is a fraud or scam, I can then hopefully call him Inmate # 666
As for one appeal being sent to an anthrax lab I pray they find out who that liberal traitor was.
I’ve added a link and quote for your post at Barry Soetoro Watch
This is in no means a minor issue. If we as citizens can not take an issue to court then how are we to petition the government for wrongs done by the Government? Only with the blessing of the Government? Will the Government allow us to petition if they believe they will lose?
Why has Ralph Nader been on the ballot, Lieberman has been on the ballot and JINDAL (my favorite) will be on the ballot in 2012.
Obama has a HUGE ADVANTAGE over Nader or Lieberman or JINDAL.
Obama’s mother is 100% American Citizen by birth, Grandfather 100% citizen, Great Grandfather 100% citizen, Great *2 Grandfather 100% citizen. Actually Obama is a cousin of Cheney to the power of 10. All from his mothers side. Obama’s missing father (absonded) is British/Kenyan and apart from age-10, he missed out on obama’s life.
JINDAL, LIEBERMAN and NADER’s parents were all immigrants who became NATURALIZED citizens. Their grandfathers, great grandfathers, great *2 grandfathers were all Indian, Polish and Lebanese citizes respectively.
So if JINDAL (with Indian parents naturalized), Nader (with Lebanes parents naturalized) and Lieberman (with Polish parents naturalized) were eleigible,…..
How the hell is Obama (with a full grown Mother citizen) not eligible?
Its so simple!!!!!!!!!! And thats why DEMs and GoP and MSM has moved on from such NONSENSE.
It does sound funny doesnt it. All these confused drama escalations and mis-information.
Expect SCOTUS to uphold this view and dismiss the cases.
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(a) Joe Lieberman was VP in 2000 with Al Gore and almost defeated Bush-Cheney. Lieberman was born in the US to Polish-Immigrants who came as workers, gave birth to him within 2 years (still as immigrants) and became NATURALIZED citizens over a 10 years period.
(b) Ralph Nader has been a candidate for president on the ballot 3 times. Nader was born to Lebanese Immigrants who came here as students and gave birth to him within 5 years, before they became NATURALIZED citizens over a 10-year period.
(c) BOBBY JINDAL is my favorite candidate for president come 2012. Jindal was born to Indian immigrants who came here as medical students and gave birth to him within 6-months of living here. Within the next 10-years, they became NATURALIZED citizens.
I pointed out a fact that Obama has ONE advantage over Jindal, Nader or Lieberman. Obama’s advantage is that his mother (and descendants) are American born citizens. Obama’s father spent very little time in his life and actually only met him twice in his life.
I concluded by stating that if Nader’s eligibility, Lieberman’s eligibility and Jindal’s eligibility were seen as ok, I dont see how Obama’s is not?
If Obama was not born in the USA, then he MAY NOT be eligible. BUT if Obama was born in the USA, then he CLEARLY is eligible.
So far, despite my wanting to stop the DEM’s and GoP’s political elites from having played us, I’m a realist who calls things for what they are.
Until someone tells me that FEC, SCOTUS, MSM and Parties committed negligence by allowing Lieberman, Nader (and will allow Jindal) to run for higher office, I’m wiling to bet that if Obama was indeed born in the USA, he is definately eligible based on past practice and precedence and intentions (not motivation) of the previous amendments.
We must guard against strict and confusing interpretation of the Constitutional Text. After all, it was written exclusively by men, white, protestant elites whose world view was different from today. Its their intentions (not motivations or exclusions) that will matter in the very end.
Thats why I end by saying, I see SCOTUS taking this view, enjoining all these cases, and then dismissing them.
The SIMPLE fact is that the Constitution requires natural born citizenship to be President and, like it or not, Obama has NOT shown a copy of his ORIGINAL, TYPED (by typewriter), FULL-LENGTH birth certificate, which includes the hospital name, doctor’s name, etc. It’s such an easy thing to do so WHY won’t he do it? It’s really that SIMPLE. Period.
The question isn’t whether Obama’s mother or anybody else’s mother was or is a naturalized citizen. It’s whether HE is a naturalized citizen, rather than natural born. Nader, Lieberman, and Jindal are all NATURAL BORN citizens, and therefore eligible to be president. Obama may be only a NATURALIZED citizen (if that), and therefore CONSTITUTIONALLY ineligible to be president.
Heres what I don’t understand about the “no standing” rule the judge has given the public.
It is my understanding, that to have standing, you must be able to prove personal damages, or something to this effect.
I put it, that ALL the people of America would be DAMAGED and therefore HAVE STANDING if a illigitimate president is allowed to take office, because should it be found that he is inelligable 50 years later, all laws stemming from his presidency must be nullified, meaning a lot of taxpayer money has been wasted in senates and house for absolutely NOTHING.
Given time, all future laws could be under threat if it is found those laws are as a direct result of laws passed by a president who is inelligable.
So, unless the laws of America are not designed to protect the American people, then, ofcourse there would be no standing. But given the fact the constitution was set out to protect the people and their right to a lawfull society, then, the people have every standing in the world to chose to be heard in regards to their right to a legal and law abiding president.
Heres a little something I found interesting..read CAREFULLY: Obama is NOT a “Natural Born Citizen” even according to FactCheck.org and fightthesmears.org.. Note, how they say Obama’s “Kenyan’ citizenship “Expired” in “1982″. if he was a KENYAN, how can he be an AMERICAN PRESIDENT??????????Read on: http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
Mr. Paul: Nadar, Jindal and Lieberman are natural born citizens, thanks to a Supreme Court Justice, many years ago who allowed, without changing or amending anything, children of those with no allegiance to the U.S. to become automatic citizens. This is not what the Constitution intended.
Southern Cross: The U.S. allows dual citizenship, although some countries do not. The interesting thing about what you are citing, is that there is also something about natural law, and a child ALWAYS being a citizen of the father’s country - even though the mother and father are not married.
Our Constitution demands loyalty to the U.S. (subject to jurisdiction) at the time of birth. Sorry I do not have more detailed information about this.
As to standing: we have judicial intervention going on here. It seems we cannot put a halt to it. If Obama is not natural born, we will have been damaged when the Electoral College casts their votes.
I believe we were damaged when his name went on the ballot.
Thank you Wayne from Jeremiah Films.
November 21, 2008
Detroit Radio Jocks from WRIF’s “Mike in the Morning” call Kenyan Ambassador Peter Ogego to congratulate him on Kenya becoming the “51st state” and during their conversation the ambassador seemingly confirms that President Elect Obama’s birth place is in Kenya and is already an “attraction”.
http://www.radiodujour.com/people/berg_philip
“Natural Born” and Naturalized citizen are not the same as some replies indicate.
I believe the SCOTUS should give Obama a simple choice, provide verifiable proof of eligibility to be president or he is disqualified. Let it be Obama’s choice.
Randy Dujor: I heard that interview. I wasn’t certain that the Ambassador (if that’s who it was) heard the question correctly. I also thought he might not want to deny it as it obviously helps promote tourism.
Thomas: you’re right.
Fred the Fireman: since Obama is making this so difficult, the fix should be just as easy as you suggest.
“After all, the Supreme Court ordered Obama to provide proof of his U.S. birth. How many times has that happened?”
When did SCOTUS order Obama to provide proof of his US birth?
Maggie T:”The U.S. allows dual citizenship, although some countries do not.”
That automatically disqualifies Obama then, considering no other country may have a birth title claim over the POTUS. So, in effect, admitting dual citizenship is as good as saying he was not born in America!
For all your sakes, I hope this matter is resolved. Otherwise, you may just have to recognise a new set of Founding Fathers.
“When did SCOTUS order Obama to provide proof of his US birth?”
That would be just a few days before Obama’s team claimed protection under the “privacy” act, which as far as I am aware, does NOT cover the candidates for POTUS. The supreme court ordered both McCain and Obama produce the documents, to which the courts determined McCain was eligible. However, considering Obama did NOT disclose official documents to the court, they could NOT determine on his legal status concerning his right to serve as POTUS or his citizenship history. As far as I am aware, no mention of further legal investigations or requests have been made by the government or the supreme court, and instead, countless hundreds of thousands of American dollars are being spent by Obama to deny the people the truth, while more and more American’s spend their savings to ensure they are delivered that truth.
The courts smell of rats and rotting flesh, to paint a verbal description. Failure to protect the Constitution breaks the binding agreement between government and people. Obviously, the people will not give up their rights without a fight of epic proportions. Can America afford to divide its people because due to constitutional neglect to follow the directives of the former peoples of America and their presidents? Will history ever be the same again?
What next? A case to the Supreme Court asking for proof that America really did land on the moon? or for proof that the earth really isn’t flat?
Doubt has to come to an end. If not, it becomes the doubt of madmen.
John Jay wrote: “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”
This was settled long ago with nodebate.by founding fathers,
This is to strange for even the wildest movie. It will ultimately be revealed who the people are that caused this mess for our country. That 800 million dollars came from somewhere, and I believe that we all know who that is. Did you ever think that this country could be actualy stolen by a well diciplined group of knaves? May god help us!
Dual Citizenship
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Dual citizenship means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time, having legal rights and obligations in connection with both countries. While dual citizenship gives certain advantages, such as easy residency in multiple countries and access to government programs, dual citizenship can also make life more complicated. The dual citizen may have tax obligations in more than one nation, or may need to fulfill residency requirements between two homelands. Following is a discussion of dual citizenship and related legal issues.
Acquiring Dual Citizenship
A person in the United States may acquire dual citizenship in one of several ways, including:
Being born in the United States to immigrant parents.
Being born outside the United States to one parent who is a U.S. citizen, and another parent who is a citizen of another country.
Becoming a naturalized U.S. citizen while maintaining citizenship in another country.
Regaining citizenship in a country of origin after having become a naturalized U.S. citizen.
If you hold multiple passports, it is important to keep those documents current and to use them appropriately in each country. You should also keep yourself apprised of citizenship requirements, such as tax obligations. If you do not fulfill your duties as a citizen to each country, you may be legally liable for those omissions.
Recognition of Dual Citizenship in the U.S.
The United States does not formally recognize dual citizenship. However, it also does not taken any stand against it, either legally or politically. Typically, no American will forfeit his or her citizenship by undertaking the responsibilities of citizenship in another country. This is true even if the responsibilities include traveling with a foreign passport, voting in another country’s election, or running for and/or serving in public office of another country. In most cases, it is unimportant to the United States whether another country also claims you as a citizen.
There is a major problem with the justice system in the US. Someone can break the law and if law enforcement, the executive branch in this case [FBI], declines to investigate then there is no prosecution.
This works at the local level also. A judge can rape a woman and kill the husband on the courthouse steps and the DA and law enforcement can legally refuse to investigate and prosecute. This leaves the door wide open for the DA to become the local organized crime boss by a policy of selective enforcement. The DA can prosecute his enemies and refuse to prosecute the justice system’s “friends”. All that is left then is a civil lawsuit where someone must prove that he has been personally damaged instead of the public being damaged.
In most other countries if a criminal complaint is filed then it must be investigated but not in the good ole US. If I am wrong please correct me.
To top it off child protection services has now started a precedent of suing parents in civil court and is demanding the liberty [imprisonment] of the parents and their children as restitution for damages to the state, who was not damaged.
Let’s quit making excuses and show us the the proper documentation of Obama’s citizenship and this will all go away. This is not about going to the moon or if the world is flat. How ridiculous!
Take the “What Would You Do?” Quiz
Let’s say you’re a Democrat and let’s say you’re running for president of the United States.
You’re a likable guy and are doing well–the New York Times and AP think you’re just peachy perfect–but there have been whispers of whether or not you are constitutionally qualified.
A prominent Democrat files suit in Federal court asking you to provide proof, to settle the matter once and for all.
What do you do?
· A. Provide the court with the three documents in question and go back to shaking hands, making promises and smiling for the cameras or,
· B. Provide images of one of the documents (a fake) to a friendly website to post, but not to the court or,
· C. Ignore the request, then make a motion to the Federal Court to dismiss the case, in lieu of providing the proof or,
· D. In the meantime, quietly, post a notice at your website, FighttheSmears.com that you had dual citizenship with Kenya or,
· E. Hire the top gun attorney from the Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) to fight the case or,
· F. File a Joint Motion for Protective Order to Stay Discovery Pending a Decision on the Motion to Dismiss (which was) filed on 09/24/08, thereby putting the matter off until–hopefully–after the election.
Time’s up. What do you do?
Most readers sensibly would choose A.
But, if you’re Barack Obama, you chose answers B, C, D, E and F.
A very curious response for a high profile Presidential campaign that was so interested in “fighting the smears.”
Suffice it to say: not everyone bought into the Certificate of Live Birth explanation by the Obama campaign. The election is now over and there is every possibility that all those millions who voted for Barack H. Obama actually voted for a non-candidate.
Now, before Mr. Obama can take the oath of office as The 44th President of the United States there has to be absolute proof of his Constitutional Natural American birth. To-date that proof, if it indeed exists is hidden away because Mr. Obama isn’t allowing anyone to see his original “vault” copy of his birth certificate for some unknown reason. WHY????
Millions and millions of Americans have reason for believing that something “big” is about to break in this story?
What do you do now? Contact your elected officials and the Supreme Court Justices and demand that they uphold the Constitution of the United States of America.
If they can support a coup with a thrown election under Bush, this Obama, birth certificate is mice nuts to these high criminals that bake the law.
It is of interest that even though Senator McCain was recognized as a citizen by the current laws of the United States and there
was no legal reason to hold a court to articulate the clear definition of his citizenship, a senate bill (S. RES. 511) was introduced on April 10, 2008 by several Senators : Mr. LEAHY, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. COBURN, Mrs. CLINTON, and Mr. WEBB.
This written and passed bill was introduced with a clear introduction of an ‘intent’ to extend the meaning of the Constitution
without legal presidence.
This basically laid a presumption of merit towards any politician seeking office who MAY have a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ argument.
Is this why McCain was ‘chosen’ to sit in the Republican primary seat during a time when the clear majority of conservative Republicans was clearly not supporting John McCain for his non-conservative positions.? Was he a staged candidate because of his ‘conditional’ status as a Foreign born natural citizen? His electability was clear and non-contested prior to this Senate Bill .511 obfuscation.
Was Obama’s support and co-authorship of this bill, for someone he was battling in the primaries for the presidency a strategy to
redefine his ‘citizenship’ after the elections to keep him constitutionally ‘in play’ as president even after he finally shows his Official Vault Birth Certificate after the dust settles and it is not Kosher?
cuda - you needn’t curse, so please do not. I wrote this article and I’m certainly no shill for socialism. That’s ridiculous. I didn’t say that the ambassador didn’t understand, I said he may not have. I’m unclear, but hey, I’m quite happy to everyone to feel he concretely said Obama was born in Kenya. Makes me happy.
I wonder if the Supreme Court would hear this case if Obama was accused of being the blood son of Adolf Hitler?
Look how Obama has divided this country already; haven’t we had enough secrecy with Bush Jr.?
Do the powers that be really want a Constitutional crisis? Does Obama really want a Constitutional crisis?
It does not take a high IQ to know that it only takes a small match to start a forest fire; do we as American citizens really need added problems to all that we face at the present time?
These are certainly interesting times… –jws
If Mr. Obama is found by SCOTUS to be ineligible to become POTUS, then what happens next? Does Mr. Bush remain in office until another election can take place? Who will be the acting president?
I have seen the Constitution of these United States trampled and ignored for so long now that I find it hard to believe that we will suddenly return to our most treasured foundation. I am certain that I am not alone in this sentiment. And I will say that if it turns out to be the case that Mr. Obama cannot be sworn, this was known by the powers that be ahead of time and anicipated and it will play into their hands and not be good for America. Ask yourself these questions (why would the DNC run a candidate that they knew was ineligible?),(how might this play into an agenda that we know little about at this time?). Seriously folks, these people are not stupid. This type of thing does not happen by accident.
10XCSN IS COMING HOME TA’ ROOST.
Now we will have a civil war, if this is not handled well.
SCOUTUS,POTUS OR NOTUS…..
SAMMY BLEEP BLEEP PONDTO?
yoyoray: Interesting question; who will be president? It almost seems as if some powerful group wants to see our Constitutional Republic go down in flames. Who would be the winner if this were to take place? Why would anyone want our formally great nation to flounder? It boggles the mind.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the next thing the powers that be have in mind is a large reduction in the population of planet earth.
It should be abundantly clear by now why the tired old cliche”actions speak louder than words” is so timeworn. It’s because of scum like obama.The actions of obama and all the operatives handling him tell the full story. If he could prove he’s a natural-born citizen he would have long ago.
To get my current job, I had to present my birth certificate. I did so with no problem. Why is it, that for Obama to become President, he has a BIG problem presenting his birth certificate? Something really BAD is going on here! By the way, I believe that, it should be required for all candidates wanting to become President, to provide ALL documents required, to prove that they are eligible to become President, to a govering body, that will verify that all of the documents are in order and not fraudulent, before the candidates can even run for President.
Okay, I volunteer to be president while all this is being figured out. My first executive order will be to abolish texas — er… taxes. (Sorry about that little typo — or was it a Freudian Slip?)
If you dont abide by any rules of the government, you are a terrorist or a criminal. If you delay court system indefinatley for your advantage, you are guilty. Oldest trick in the book to “buy more time” in the legal system.
Any one that says, “no comment” or has no comment, is hiding something. Common sense say’s this guy is a liar. Who the heck changes their name 5 times? Please tell me. Someone who is a liar, running from his past, or hiding from investigators.
Common sense will always win the argument about obama. Anyone who says he isnt lying, obviously voted for the guy, and volunteered their time to slave for him.
With all the simultaneous problems in the world right now, all logic MUST and WILL always be pointing at another developing problem and disaster. That is how life works, disaster does not end.
Isnt it obvious that the world is facing a gigantic growing problem regarding this? Is it a coincidence that the united states, attacks pakistan on a daily basis with covert ops, and then pakistan attacks india via covert operations?
They did it to strike america’s allie. American allie, is equal to america itself.
Something huge is happening people, this isnt just paranoia, You are ALL BLIND TO IT.
Obama openly does not like india. Its not a coincidence, why didnt the usa offer immediate help to our allie after the first 12 hours?
Because obama ordered them not to.
Open your mind to the possibility that this IS TRUE.
Murphys law, anything that can go wrong, WILL go wrong.
Im not saying its the end of the world, but its definatley the end of something. If the electoral college votes yes for obama, without considering the supreme court cases, THAT IS HUGE. To ignore a FEDERAL court case indefinatley is NOT THE LAW. WE FOLLOW THE LAW TO THE BOOK.
If you are a football star, and you shoot yourself in the leg in a new york club, YOU ARE GOING TO PRISON. Your super star fame will not protect you or raise you above LAW.
There WILL BE some form of citizen unrest, and its very clear there will be extremest type anger.
Dont be suprised if george bush apologizes again for something that he failed to do which would of prevented another something….
Bill, why do you think a perfectly logical solution to this document problem would work? Government operates on anything but logic… –jws
We ALL must counter and defeat evil whatever form it takes if we are to preserve our personal God-given rights and freedoms from these master con artist criminal politicians.
BEST way to deal with such massive fraud is through incessant sincere prayers to God and his angels to confound and disempower these bastards and the powers of Hell backing them….
‘May God and his angels, Archangel Michael bind, confound and defeat all enemies of freedom worldwide and protect us from ALL evil always, in Christ’s name, let His will be done in this; amen!’
southerncross, I find it hard to believe that SCOTUS has asked Obama or McCain for birth certificates. Do you have a link? The reason I find this unlikely is that the Constitution defines SCOTUS as a court having appellate jurisdiction except in “Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party.” This suit doesn’t fit into that exception.
In all other cases, SCOTUS has appellate jurisdiction, which means they have the power to review the findings of lower courts. As a practical matter, this means that SCOTUS doesn’t engage in a lot of fact-finding. They mostly resolve questions of law. While they do have appellate review of issues of fact, those facts must first be developed at the lower court level.
So again, when has SCOTUS asked Obama for his birth certificate?
If Obama can flaunt the US Constitution and trash it’s rules of citizenship, then it’s nearing time for a 2nd American Revolution.
Patriots will rally to defend America from those who wish to destroy her and tear her down.
The SCOTUS will most likely pass on this issue. That will cause this issue to be the number one issue confronting Obama until a resolution occurs.
Sooner or later the facts will come to light as money talks and someone with access to the documents will leak them.
The SCOTUS must realize that if they do not support and protect the Constitution their own positions will eventually be eroded. In fact giving Obama a pass on this issue will empower him to do what ever he wants with no fear of the SCOTUS stopping him.
Hey, the constitution says that to take the office of President you must be over the age of 35 and a natural born citizen of the USA.
If running for that office one must produce proof of American birth if the issue is in question. That does not mean you can forge documents and present them. It means the real thing must be provided. Then to ignore the order of the Supreme Court to produce proof shows that you don’t care what the constitution of the court or even the country says.
If the man could have provided proof he would have. He can’t because he is not American. What his mother was is not the issue. you can have two natural born American parents and be born in Paris, and you are French by citizenship, the parents can apply for dual citizenship but you are still French born not American.
Above all things we must protect the Constitution of the United States of America or throw in the towel and declare Her dead.
To Jeff Smathers on December 3rd, 2008 2:32 am,
You wrote “It is of interest that even though Senator McCain was recognized as a citizen by the current laws of the United States and there was no legal reason to hold a court to articulate the clear definition of his citizenship, a senate bill (S. RES. 511) was introduced on April 10, 2008 by several Senators : Mr. LEAHY, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. COBURN, Mrs. CLINTON, and Mr. WEBB.
This written and passed bill was introduced with a clear introduction of an ‘intent’ to extend the meaning of the Constitution
without legal presidence.”
I am not sure where Mccain was actually born, but I presumed he was born on a U.S. Military base or in the immediate U.S. servicemen housing nearby in Panama. U.S. military brats do get U.S. citizenship overseas. I grew up with a kid that was born in Cuba 1963 and was a U.S. citizen.
Obama did not have that military base connection, his is not automatic by mother (a cia asset).
They don’t let the reins of power outside their circles.
Mr. Paul, if what you say about Jindal & Nader et al, is true, then you are correct. They are not eligible to be president. They are NOT “NATURAL BORN CITIZENS” You have to be physically born in the USA. BOTH your parents have to be U.S. citizens *AT THE TIME OF YOUR BIRTH*. Naturalized or otherwise. If you can’t meet those 2 things, you are not “NATURAL BORN”. You THINK you know what a “natural born citizen” means, but you have been WRONG. Just like everyone thinks Obama is currently the “President Elect”. HE IS NOT. He is legally, constitutionally, still a “candidate”. He would not be “President Elect” for sure until Jan 6th. Between Dec 15th and Jan 6th he MIGHT be, SCOTUS would have to decide this. Between election day and Dec 15th he DEFINITELY is NOT. The people only vote for electors, the electors vote for president. So, Obama has received so far ZERO electoral votes. All he has are pledges. In at least 24 states those electors are NOT legally obligated to vote for Obama, by state law or party rules. They could still vote for ANY other candidate. If the states that Obama won do not vote for him he would only get 238 votes, far short of 270.
After reading the rest, it seems a little reminder is needed for some.
Look back to before the country was founded and see what was said in your books.
Jesus, “I am not here to destroy the law but to fullfill it”.
What would Jesus say about all this constitution busting? Probably it started with prohibitions of other intoxicants besides alcohol, or the actual enumerated description “intoxicating liquors”. The ninth article(ammendment) to the bill of rights clearly shows the constitution is being violated all these drug war years.
Fullfill the law folks, stand up and don’t pudge until the governemnt does too.
It’s very simple. Hawaii ONLY gives out the short form Certificate of Live Birth — period. Nobody in Hawaii gets a copy of their vault or long-form certificate. NOBODY. When Obama asked for a copy of his Birth Certificate he was given the short form like every other citizen. No trickery or subterfuge, it’s the way it’s done in Hawaii.
Two government officials examined the vault certificate and authenticated it as genuine. Give it a rest, folks. As to responding to this ridiculous lawsuit, the FEC responded on behalf of all defendants. The Supreme Court will very likely ignore Berg and his appeal will die, or they will throw it out. He has ZERO chance of winning.
All hail to President Obama. The rest of you nutbags can suck eggs.
If you are correct in your statement about the Certificate of Live Birth, then why would the courts even bother to review?
I think the Obama supporters think if it can be delayed long enough they will have been able to beat the system.
Produce the Original Cert and this will all be history, Just like the Cert is, History.
TheSurveyor,
“If you are correct in your statement about the Certificate of Live Birth, then why would the courts even bother to review?”
To the best of my knowledge, the only question that the supreme court has shown any interest in is the standing issue of the plaintiffs. This is about more than the present case: it is about future law. It is about important questions about who can bring a suit in federal court.
The merits and substance of the case are not always what SCOTUS is paying attention to.
The Liberal democrats Could give a [edited-w/warning] what The Constitution Says about being a “Natural Born Citizen”. They will claim The Constitution is a racist document written by rich white slave owners and does not apply today. Obama must be allowed to be President because he was elected by the people.
If Obama is not a natural born citizen, he should be prosecuted for fraud along with the “leaders of the democratic party”. This is exactly why Thomas Jefferson put The Peoples right to keep and bear arms as the second amendment to The Bill of Rights. Lets
hope The Supreme Court does its job and violence is not required by the people.
I doubt that Obama has a legitimate birth certificate or he would have produced it. For expert views on Obama, listen to free MP3 downloads at http://drop.io/Summerbird Alex Jones interviews Webster Tarpley, Jerome Corsi, Larry Pratt, Alan Watt and others.
When is the main stream media going to “get on the ball” with this? This should be on the front page of every newspaper in the Nation and it should be reported non-stop on the 24 hr “news” channels…
Obama = Marxist…Chicago thug…NWO Lackey.
I am floored by all of these comments, Obama supports, and non supporters. We are so quick to judge, especially when the actions are not what we want.
“The Law”.. you are very funny. While some might say all Obama supporters are blind or whatever, I for one sir/ma’am, can assure you, not all are as you might think. I have my eyes wide open. And instead of listening to and blindly believing, one’s comments, promises, article, I look for facts and encourage others to do so. If it turns out the Obama is not a Natural Born citizen, I will feel very sorry for this country. If it turns our he is, I will still feel very sorry for this country, because we would have allowed ourselves yet again to be “tricked” by someone with motives that will only benefit them. So for those who are reading my comment, please educate yourself on this issue, read articles, go read the constitution and see what it says and how it defines the qualifications of being President. This way you will know the facts and truth for yourself, and not what someone else interprets the truth as being for self gain. In all things do this, keeps you, not only educated, but aware of the truth as you see it, not as others.
Common sense is, apparently, a lost virtue.
As a conservative, I am always concerned when the constitution is “used” to supply documentation of an argument. Nevertheless, here goes:
The constitution says “No person, except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution,” shall be…..
Now what exactly does this mean? That you have to be a natural born citizen or a citizen of the United States, : or a natural born citizen or a citizen of the US at the time of the adoption of the Constitution. If this is the case, then everyone living in this country after 1880 or so, would be inelible; so, I think that it is the former.
(I could be wrong, commas and “or” can be a dilema sometimes, which is why we have SCOTUS.
I don’t think that anyone believes that the President Elect is not a citizen, just that everyone seems to think that he is not a natural born citizen. How can this be? It appears that he was born in Hawaii, in 1961, (hawaii entered the Union in 1959), therefore, he is a U.S.Citizen by birth. I know, “show me the document”, right?
So, it would seem likely that unless it can be proven that the president elect was not born in Hawaii, then this is all moot. Another thing, isn’t he, the president elect, a U.S. Senator, which requires that he be a U.S. Citizen for 9 years? So, it would seem that as a U.S. Citizen, he would be elible.
Having read a lot of blogs over the past month, and a lot of commentary regarding this subject, it all appears, well, silly. I believe the SCOTUS will review this, bring all of the suits together, deny them, and this will be closed. Then, as in 2004, the SCOTUS will have followed precident, and confirmed the election of the President of the U.S.
And then, everyone will, I am sure, conjure up a conspiracy involving the SCOTUS and the Obama supporters. I am not one of them, (Obama supporters) as his political ideas scare the hell out of me, but I do try and use my brain every once in a while, and it would be nice if everyone else did too.
dc
“governments are like dragons, so be careful not to meddle in the affairs of either, as you are easy to swallow and good with ketchup”!
This entire waste of taxpayer’s money is simply another way to continue the whisper campaign and plant doubt in the minds of the citizenry. “hmm..” says the gullible man. “What if this is right? Then Pres. Obama’s allegiance may be elsewhere”. Give us all a break. This subtle yet constant undermining of the citizen’s confidence in their chosen leadership by those who would hijack our democracy is both unpatriotic and subversive. Sometimes the citizens wisely decide to embrace a new direction that, lo & behold, isn’t the direction you want. As Americans it is incumbent upon each of us to do what he or she can to ensure the success of our leaders. Stop being a “spoiler” under the guise of “protecting the ____” (You may fill in the blank with any of the following: country, people, children, constitution, freedom, righteous, ad nauseum). It’s both transparent and reveals your view of the reader as a fool.
HEY OBAMMA COOL-AID DRINKERS, WHY WONT HE SHOW THE TRUE PAPERWROK? WHY? WHAT IS HE HIDING? AND WHERE DID HE GO TO SCHOOL FOR 4 YEARS? THEY WOULD NOT LET AN AMERICAN GO TO THAT SCHOOL AT THAT TIME HE WAS THERE,, FOR SURE!!! SO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH.AND WAKE -UP ALREADY…
It’s easy to see the almost hysterical level of excitement in the the Republican posts, almost like a lynch mob. These people are taking a huge gamble, the reputation and future of their party is at stake. If this turns out to be a groundless charge against Obama, these people and their party will be discredited even further than they are now. The nastiness of this citizenship pursuit, the presidential campaign and the conservative posters online will stick in the minds of the rest of us Americans, and the citizens of many other countries, forever. All of these things, added to the disgusting recent Republican sex scandals and corruption charges, have destroyed the image and reputation of the Republican party. It’s fine by me, because the Democrats will certainly benefit from it for decades to come.
Obama is to big to fail…..Government bailout?
Sweetwater: No, we will not lose our party because of attemtping to follow the requirements of the Constitution. We might, however, lose the Party because we have become far to liberal.
You also do not know that Obama is a natural born citizen. What makes you think it is okay to question McCain, who quickly proved his citizenship, but not look into Obama?
The biggest gamble is deviating from the Constitution. Surely you have not even begun to think of the consequences.
Bobby Jindal was born a dual citizen folks. His parents were medical students.Actually he was conceived in India. I expect that some nut case will use that. They are naturalized citizens. He because he was born here, like Obama, is a natural born citizen. Let’s have one standard for everyone. This whole movement relating to Obama’s citizenship is just a cover for a co As to his birth certificate and Mr. Berg, Corsi and others. These gentlement have an income d on donations they receive for promulgating conspiracy theories. Mr. Berg on January 12, 2007 stated that any country who lost citizens on 9/11 should be able to demand that President Bush and Vice President Cheney be extradited and tried for murder. According to Berg and Corsi they either planned or ignored the plan by terrorists because they needed an event like 9/11 to further their( Bush and Cheney) plans. Are these the people you put trust in? When sites identify Berg as a Democrat and Clinton supporter they somehow leave his other activities out. Please do not believe me. Do your own research. If it were me I would give them nothing. If a court and only a court asked for the documents I would of course give them.
I think there is a very Valid concern, and valid requests for Obama to prove his eligibility and produce the vault birth certificate. There is no powers that be hindering him from doing this. He chose to seal his own records thru the Governor
of Hawaii. He and The DNC have defied a supreme court order to produce it for them.
This is very odd behavior. The public wants to know why, that is not a lynch mob or crackpots.
If he was born in Hawaii to a US citizen mother, or in Kenya to a US citizen mother, he would still be an American citizen, natural born.
Even if he had dual citizenship with Kenya
because of his father, it would not affect his US citizenship unless he swore allegiance to Kenya when he came of age.
But, there is another issue…that is that when his mother and he moved to Indonesia and she married an indonesian citizen who adopted Barak, and gave him Indonesian citizenship, does that affect his us citizenship? I ask because Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship, so if he was ever a citizen of indonesia, his us citizenship was forfeit. Could this also be why his mother sent him back to Hawaii to live with his grandmother, to establish his citizenship in the US!!!
It seems like He is a us citizen, but why is he trying to cover it up?
“Berg is quoted as saying that he is one-thousand percent certain that Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen. Obama and the DNC are not “obligated” to file an answer, and Berg says that he “believes that the lack of response could be rooted less in procedure and more in audacity…” “The feeling may be that, if they respond, they could hold themselves out for perjury later on when we’re successful.””
One-thousand percent? Berg is no better a mathematician than he is a lawyer. At least he is more honest than some of the anti-Obama bloggers when says that there is no obligation for Obama to respond. He attributes this non-response to “audacity” or “fear of perjury”. To what does he attribute the Federal Election Commission’s (also named in the suit) failure to respond? I don’t know if perjury applies to such court filings. I hope it does, so that Berg can be put away for a long time.
Jon Brooks says: “It should be 100% obvious to anyone by now that if disclosure has been thwarted for this long regarding showing a document (birth certificate) that you or I would have to show for a number of common instances in our lives”
I personally cannot think of any “common instance” where the certification of the facts of Obama’s birth from his home state of Hawaii, that we have all seen, would be insufficient. The only time in my life I needed a birth certificate was when I got a US passport, and Obama’s certification meets all the requirements for that.
You have been stuffed a sock in thy Republican mouth. Cheers.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/12/08/supreme_court_declines_to_hear.html
HERE is the birth certificate!!!!
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
Hawaii - BY LAW - does NOT issue certified birth certificates to NON-FAMILY members or those without “tangible” interest.
Do you know how many MILLIONS of AMERICANS would not be citizens if Donofrio’s/Berg’s/Wrotnowski’s logic were applied by the courts?
Insane that you even have to think about that…
HERE is the “birth certificate” debunked:
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12956.htm
And this is the clincher for me:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82680
I dare an Obamanoid to claim that this is just a coincidence.
Jindal is not eligible, as his parents were naturalized after his birth. Unfortunate for us, but he still has an illustrious career ahead of him. Just can’t be President.
Are some Republicans being silent because of Jindal? I would hope not. One party must still uphold the Constitution, even if we’ve temporarily gone mad with the bailout.
So, I have a question for all of you self-proclaimed Constitutional scholars. Is it proper for the Supreme Court to be influenced by the letters you urge to be sent? Have any of you read the Federalist Papers on an independent judiciary? Or do you pick and choose which of our cherished principles you care about?
The Supreme Court will dismiss all of these cases. There is no reasonable argument that any of the plaintiffs had standing. The Supreme Court is not going to hear cases that offer no new issues concerning standing.
Is it any coincidence that all of these plaintiffs represent themselves. Could it be that none of them could find a lawyer to bring such frivolous claims?
Brian, I have read the Federalist papers - numerous times. We have every right to petition the Court with our letters, however, it is a sad thing that we must do so - and none of us think the Court will do anything because anyone outside the Court has requested it.
The Courts should not be needed here. Congress should have been ready for this and protected the people.
So if JINDAL (with Indian parents naturalized), Nader (with Lebanes parents naturalized) and Lieberman (with Polish parents naturalized) were eleigible,…..
How the hell is Obama (with a full grown Mother citizen) not eligible?
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They did not run for POTUS !!