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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art:  What you and YOUR ilk continually fail to see is that it is YOU who are attempting to enforce YOUR version of sexual morality through the law.  It&#039;s not ME out there protesting the travesty and horror of a gay marriage ban, harassing old ladies, stomping on crosses, acting like I forgot to take my medications and desperately need a shot of Haldol.

In all my years, I don&#039;t recall ever seeing any such proposal in my state.  Were it to crop up, I would probably **** canaries.

IMO, marriage is a personal issue having NO BUSINESS being legislated, PERIOD.  The very first law defining the legality/illegality of marriage (ANY MARRIAGE, not just gay) opens the floodgates for further intrusion into our personal lives.  This is NOT the answer.  Lawmakers and other politicians sticking their fingers in this pie are doing nothing more than making our decisions for us, rather than BUTTING OUT of something that does not concern them (as you said, LEGALLY NOT HARMING ANYONE), yet WE are the ones who live with the consequences; and we continue to give them more power to make more and more of our decisions, intruding further and further into our personal lives, through actions such as we see in this video.

Again, I dare you to show me exactly where in the Constitution marriage (AGAIN... ANY marriage AT ALL, and I am not just pointing out GAY MARRIAGE, bud) is a protected RIGHT.

IT.IS.NOT.

For centuries, marriage has traditionally been considered a religious matter.  So if it is not harming any other individual in any LEGAL manner, what legitimate reason is there for it to be legislated?  Again, I am referring to ALL marriages, homo- or heterosexual, polygamous, or to a tree or a unicorn prancing in a meadow.

If marriage is held in a religious context in the hearts of gays wanting it (that would make sense - to me, anyhow - desiring to bind oneself to another in the name of God), then NO law could undermine its foundations; recognized by GOD, the state is incidental.

This is the way *I* see it, in a heterosexual marriage performed in His name and in His eyes.  That I needed to buy a license was irrelevant; regardless of whether I had it or not, recognized by the State or not, my marriage was valid, recognized by the church.

This is NOT a matter of religion, fairly obvious by the trampling of the cross by the crowd arguing for the &quot;rights&quot; of gays to marry.  Therefore, it can only be a case of the minority imposing their will upon the majority.  YOU (gays) forcing your version of sexual morality on ME (not-gays).  Your message is loud and clear:  This is not about marriage or the right to marry but about forcing acceptance of previously taboo sexual congress.

If it is, in fact, a more benign legal matter i.e., partner needs insurance, other benefits recognized only by law, there are far better ways than this to accomplish that goal.

What is aggravating is that you do not seem to understand that brute force tactics will never help you succeed.  All they do is hurt your cause.  More aggravating is that I (not-whatever) am forced - OTHERWISE KNOWN AS DURESS - to accept what you want but you do not respond in kind.  I&#039;m all for &quot;live and let live,&quot; but your side sees every issue a battlefield.  We are not allowed to pray in any public place.  My children are not allowed to recite in school the Pledge of Allegiance - swearing an oath of loyalty to the United States.  No one should be forced to participate in these activities if they do not wish to; likewise, no one should be forced NOT to if they do.

So instead of just walking away, living and letting live, the dagger is thrust in a little deeper and given a twist for good measure.  What&#039;s good for the goose is never good enough for the gander, but in the end we&#039;re all cooked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art:  What you and YOUR ilk continually fail to see is that it is YOU who are attempting to enforce YOUR version of sexual morality through the law.  It&#8217;s not ME out there protesting the travesty and horror of a gay marriage ban, harassing old ladies, stomping on crosses, acting like I forgot to take my medications and desperately need a shot of Haldol.</p>
<p>In all my years, I don&#8217;t recall ever seeing any such proposal in my state.  Were it to crop up, I would probably **** canaries.</p>
<p>IMO, marriage is a personal issue having NO BUSINESS being legislated, PERIOD.  The very first law defining the legality/illegality of marriage (ANY MARRIAGE, not just gay) opens the floodgates for further intrusion into our personal lives.  This is NOT the answer.  Lawmakers and other politicians sticking their fingers in this pie are doing nothing more than making our decisions for us, rather than BUTTING OUT of something that does not concern them (as you said, LEGALLY NOT HARMING ANYONE), yet WE are the ones who live with the consequences; and we continue to give them more power to make more and more of our decisions, intruding further and further into our personal lives, through actions such as we see in this video.</p>
<p>Again, I dare you to show me exactly where in the Constitution marriage (AGAIN&#8230; ANY marriage AT ALL, and I am not just pointing out GAY MARRIAGE, bud) is a protected RIGHT.</p>
<p>IT.IS.NOT.</p>
<p>For centuries, marriage has traditionally been considered a religious matter.  So if it is not harming any other individual in any LEGAL manner, what legitimate reason is there for it to be legislated?  Again, I am referring to ALL marriages, homo- or heterosexual, polygamous, or to a tree or a unicorn prancing in a meadow.</p>
<p>If marriage is held in a religious context in the hearts of gays wanting it (that would make sense &#8211; to me, anyhow &#8211; desiring to bind oneself to another in the name of God), then NO law could undermine its foundations; recognized by GOD, the state is incidental.</p>
<p>This is the way *I* see it, in a heterosexual marriage performed in His name and in His eyes.  That I needed to buy a license was irrelevant; regardless of whether I had it or not, recognized by the State or not, my marriage was valid, recognized by the church.</p>
<p>This is NOT a matter of religion, fairly obvious by the trampling of the cross by the crowd arguing for the &#8220;rights&#8221; of gays to marry.  Therefore, it can only be a case of the minority imposing their will upon the majority.  YOU (gays) forcing your version of sexual morality on ME (not-gays).  Your message is loud and clear:  This is not about marriage or the right to marry but about forcing acceptance of previously taboo sexual congress.</p>
<p>If it is, in fact, a more benign legal matter i.e., partner needs insurance, other benefits recognized only by law, there are far better ways than this to accomplish that goal.</p>
<p>What is aggravating is that you do not seem to understand that brute force tactics will never help you succeed.  All they do is hurt your cause.  More aggravating is that I (not-whatever) am forced &#8211; OTHERWISE KNOWN AS DURESS &#8211; to accept what you want but you do not respond in kind.  I&#8217;m all for &#8220;live and let live,&#8221; but your side sees every issue a battlefield.  We are not allowed to pray in any public place.  My children are not allowed to recite in school the Pledge of Allegiance &#8211; swearing an oath of loyalty to the United States.  No one should be forced to participate in these activities if they do not wish to; likewise, no one should be forced NOT to if they do.</p>
<p>So instead of just walking away, living and letting live, the dagger is thrust in a little deeper and given a twist for good measure.  What&#8217;s good for the goose is never good enough for the gander, but in the end we&#8217;re all cooked.</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanna move to Texas. You guys have all the guns. It seems like it&#039;s much safer there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanna move to Texas. You guys have all the guns. It seems like it&#8217;s much safer there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Native Texan. That bull wouldn&#039;t fly here in Louisiana either.</description>
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		<title>By: Nana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope she sues that idiot. You lost, get over it. I didn&#039;t like the outcome of the pres. election but I sure as hell won&#039;t be hurting someone because of it. What a bunch of losers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope she sues that idiot. You lost, get over it. I didn&#8217;t like the outcome of the pres. election but I sure as hell won&#8217;t be hurting someone because of it. What a bunch of losers.</p>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angie and Native Texan -

What you and your ilk continually fail to see is that it is YOU who cannot get over yourselves.

Just because you are fervent in your beliefs does not mean you can enforce them on everybody.  You cannot enforce your version of sexual morality through the law, especially considering it involves harming no other individual in any legal manner.

And legalizing gay marriage is not enforcing that belief on you.  It allows gays to be treated equally under the law.

It has nothing to do with your religion or personal beliefs, which would go unmarred if gay marriage were allowed under California law.

Why don&#039;t you travel over to Massachusetts and Connecticut and see how anti-gay marriage people are faring?  Got those big news stories about anti-gay heterosexuals being devastated because of those legal gay unions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angie and Native Texan -</p>
<p>What you and your ilk continually fail to see is that it is YOU who cannot get over yourselves.</p>
<p>Just because you are fervent in your beliefs does not mean you can enforce them on everybody.  You cannot enforce your version of sexual morality through the law, especially considering it involves harming no other individual in any legal manner.</p>
<p>And legalizing gay marriage is not enforcing that belief on you.  It allows gays to be treated equally under the law.</p>
<p>It has nothing to do with your religion or personal beliefs, which would go unmarred if gay marriage were allowed under California law.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you travel over to Massachusetts and Connecticut and see how anti-gay marriage people are faring?  Got those big news stories about anti-gay heterosexuals being devastated because of those legal gay unions?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was absolutely disgusting behavior displayed by the homosexuals. If I had been there I probably would have gone to jail for defending that lady. 

To any of you anti-prop 8 protesters that were there, you should be ashamed of yourselves to subject an elderly person to that sort of treatment. You fools just canonized more people against your cause by your savage and ignorant behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was absolutely disgusting behavior displayed by the homosexuals. If I had been there I probably would have gone to jail for defending that lady. </p>
<p>To any of you anti-prop 8 protesters that were there, you should be ashamed of yourselves to subject an elderly person to that sort of treatment. You fools just canonized more people against your cause by your savage and ignorant behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Catttt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catttt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are indeed some out of control gay guys in this protest. They obviously are way out of line, and I hope they do press charges against the perps.

With that said, we certainly cannot judge all gays by this unruly crowd - all groups can cough up an unruly crowd, and a mob generally ends up attacking whoever is handy - other gays have been attacked in some of these protests. 

I was actually once rescued from a dangerous situation by half a dozen gay guys, which sticks in my mind as I watch this vid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are indeed some out of control gay guys in this protest. They obviously are way out of line, and I hope they do press charges against the perps.</p>
<p>With that said, we certainly cannot judge all gays by this unruly crowd &#8211; all groups can cough up an unruly crowd, and a mob generally ends up attacking whoever is handy &#8211; other gays have been attacked in some of these protests. </p>
<p>I was actually once rescued from a dangerous situation by half a dozen gay guys, which sticks in my mind as I watch this vid.</p>
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		<title>By: Abdullah al-Libi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abdullah al-Libi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this very disturbing. If you don&#039;t like the lady&#039;s opinion, then try to convince her. Give her the arguments from Jonathan Rauch&#039;s book on the subject instead of screaming at her.

All of my gay friends are regular guys who would NEVER go [edited] crazy like this on some old lady. Now they&#039;re going to get lumped into this group of jerks.  :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this very disturbing. If you don&#8217;t like the lady&#8217;s opinion, then try to convince her. Give her the arguments from Jonathan Rauch&#8217;s book on the subject instead of screaming at her.</p>
<p>All of my gay friends are regular guys who would NEVER go [edited] crazy like this on some old lady. Now they&#8217;re going to get lumped into this group of jerks.  <img src='http://www.stoptheaclu.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Native Texan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Native Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art--

Even if gay marriage were legal, no private citizen would be forced to morally agree with it. That is everyone’s right. However it is the duty of the government to ensure that its citizens, one and all, are protected and treated fairly.

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You are so wrong it&#039;s not even funny...This country was founded on moral principles, and homosexual behavior, anyway a moral society views it is still immoral, so, if you desire to condone these types of suppressive tactics because moral America (California) doesn&#039;t agree with your immoral acts, then that sounds like a bunch of sour grapes to me...

Looks to me like you didn&#039;t win...So tidy up and wait for the next one...Pretty sure the land of fruit and nuts will someday allow you to booger yourselves into oblivion...

If your people pulled stuff like that here in Texas, I can guarantee you that you will never be that unhappy again...

And that is in no way a hateful statement, only a statement of fact...You assault someone, there is no law that says that a person cannot defend themselves against such an assault...

I really pity you people...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art&#8211;</p>
<p>Even if gay marriage were legal, no private citizen would be forced to morally agree with it. That is everyone’s right. However it is the duty of the government to ensure that its citizens, one and all, are protected and treated fairly.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>You are so wrong it&#8217;s not even funny&#8230;This country was founded on moral principles, and homosexual behavior, anyway a moral society views it is still immoral, so, if you desire to condone these types of suppressive tactics because moral America (California) doesn&#8217;t agree with your immoral acts, then that sounds like a bunch of sour grapes to me&#8230;</p>
<p>Looks to me like you didn&#8217;t win&#8230;So tidy up and wait for the next one&#8230;Pretty sure the land of fruit and nuts will someday allow you to booger yourselves into oblivion&#8230;</p>
<p>If your people pulled stuff like that here in Texas, I can guarantee you that you will never be that unhappy again&#8230;</p>
<p>And that is in no way a hateful statement, only a statement of fact&#8230;You assault someone, there is no law that says that a person cannot defend themselves against such an assault&#8230;</p>
<p>I really pity you people&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ART:  I dare you to show me exactly WHERE in the Constitution marriage - of ANY person, gay, straight, or otherwise - is a RIGHT that you and so many others are moaning being denied (or as you like, TRAMPLED).

This is not about RIGHTS to marry or RIGHTS to ANYTHING.  This is about oppression and bullying, forcing the will of the minority onto the majority.  This is about YOUR imposition upon US that which you desire without any regard to the rest of us, just like prayer at ANY public gathering, just like ripping the Pledge of Allegiance from our children, just like abortion.  It&#039;s all about YOU YOU YOU.  The MINORITY wanting dominance over ALL.

Grow a brain, get a conscience, buy a life.  Just get over yourself already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ART:  I dare you to show me exactly WHERE in the Constitution marriage &#8211; of ANY person, gay, straight, or otherwise &#8211; is a RIGHT that you and so many others are moaning being denied (or as you like, TRAMPLED).</p>
<p>This is not about RIGHTS to marry or RIGHTS to ANYTHING.  This is about oppression and bullying, forcing the will of the minority onto the majority.  This is about YOUR imposition upon US that which you desire without any regard to the rest of us, just like prayer at ANY public gathering, just like ripping the Pledge of Allegiance from our children, just like abortion.  It&#8217;s all about YOU YOU YOU.  The MINORITY wanting dominance over ALL.</p>
<p>Grow a brain, get a conscience, buy a life.  Just get over yourself already.</p>
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