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	<title>Comments on: Unions Prepared for BIG Payday With New Prez</title>
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	<description>Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer</description>
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		<title>By: Weekly roundup &#171; 4Simpsons Blog - Eternity Matters</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/11/09/unions-prepared-for-big-payday-with-new-prez/comment-page-1/#comment-106524</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly roundup &#171; 4Simpsons Blog - Eternity Matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Unions prepare for BIG payday with new Prez And, in keeping with the Times’ journalistic malpractice, quite a few things are misrepresented in favor of the unions. Take “card check” for instance. Check out how the Times describes the fact that this horrible law will take away one of the oldest democratic rights there is. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Unions prepare for BIG payday with new Prez And, in keeping with the Times’ journalistic malpractice, quite a few things are misrepresented in favor of the unions. Take “card check” for instance. Check out how the Times describes the fact that this horrible law will take away one of the oldest democratic rights there is. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: the elector of saxony</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/11/09/unions-prepared-for-big-payday-with-new-prez/comment-page-1/#comment-106430</link>
		<dc:creator>the elector of saxony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Unions are the backbone of the middle class.&quot;

Really? Then explain why the most unionized industries in America have been failing right and left for 40 years, while the least unionized industries have flourished? Unions are job killers, no question about it. Texas creates more job in a year than Michigan has in a generation. More than Pennslyvania will create for the rest of human history. Know why? You can pay labor what the market dictates. Unless we return to the 1950&#039;s where there were just a handful of industrial economies in the world, either unions are dead or our economy is. Take your pick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unions are the backbone of the middle class.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? Then explain why the most unionized industries in America have been failing right and left for 40 years, while the least unionized industries have flourished? Unions are job killers, no question about it. Texas creates more job in a year than Michigan has in a generation. More than Pennslyvania will create for the rest of human history. Know why? You can pay labor what the market dictates. Unless we return to the 1950&#8217;s where there were just a handful of industrial economies in the world, either unions are dead or our economy is. Take your pick.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilary Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unions are the backbone of the middle class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unions are the backbone of the middle class.</p>
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		<title>By: The Unions Expect Payback For Getting Obama Elected &#124; Right Voices</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Unions Expect Payback For Getting Obama Elected &#124; Right Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Warner Todd Huston : Then the NYT piece gives space for union chief John L. Sweeney to claim that unions can stop the decline of the middle class. In fact, unions are one of the reasons jobs in the middle class are lost to international competition. International companies aren’t bowed down with the weight of oppressive and destructive union demands elsewhere and can easily undercut our markets. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Warner Todd Huston : Then the NYT piece gives space for union chief John L. Sweeney to claim that unions can stop the decline of the middle class. In fact, unions are one of the reasons jobs in the middle class are lost to international competition. International companies aren’t bowed down with the weight of oppressive and destructive union demands elsewhere and can easily undercut our markets. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WildCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>WildCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warner said:

&quot;Isn’t it amusing how these union guys can lie in the face of a “reporter” that willingly marks it down as the Gods-honest truth?

But, then again, it is a sad thing but no one should expect the extreme leftist propagandists at The New York Times to actually report anything fairly and without slanting heavily in the left’s favor.&quot;

If your curious as to &quot;why&quot;, check these out:

http://www.cwa-union.org/

http://www.aftra.com/aftra/aftra.htm

http://www.aflcio.org/aboutus/unions/

See the connection(s)?  And, people wonder why many &quot;reporters&quot; on TV use the same &quot;narative&quot; (Emanuel has &quot;sharp elbows&quot; as an example), but from &quot;different&quot; broadcast channels (ABC, NBC, CBS, et. al).

People blame the newspaper or broadcaster.

Maybe the blame belongs somewhere else. . .

There is much more than meets the eye. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warner said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Isn’t it amusing how these union guys can lie in the face of a “reporter” that willingly marks it down as the Gods-honest truth?</p>
<p>But, then again, it is a sad thing but no one should expect the extreme leftist propagandists at The New York Times to actually report anything fairly and without slanting heavily in the left’s favor.&#8221;</p>
<p>If your curious as to &#8220;why&#8221;, check these out:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cwa-union.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cwa-union.org/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.aftra.com/aftra/aftra.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.aftra.com/aftra/aftra.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.aflcio.org/aboutus/unions/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aflcio.org/aboutus/unions/</a></p>
<p>See the connection(s)?  And, people wonder why many &#8220;reporters&#8221; on TV use the same &#8220;narative&#8221; (Emanuel has &#8220;sharp elbows&#8221; as an example), but from &#8220;different&#8221; broadcast channels (ABC, NBC, CBS, et. al).</p>
<p>People blame the newspaper or broadcaster.</p>
<p>Maybe the blame belongs somewhere else. . .</p>
<p>There is much more than meets the eye. . .</p>
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		<title>By: the elector of saxony</title>
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		<dc:creator>the elector of saxony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, 

The good news is that everyone will notice 12% unemployment, 6$ a gallon gasoline, and Dow 5000. 

Carter employed the exact same economic and energy policies Obama wants. The result will be even worse this time around because energy is so important to our economy, and there is much more international competition. In 1977, it was more difficult to offshore jobs, now HP and Dell (two clients of mine) are moving as quickly as they can in the wake of the Obama victory to offshore tens of thousands of jobs, and eliminate every US job they can cut. They know Obama will destroy their profitability.

Watch every US company shrink the way Ford and GM have shrunk over the last 3 decades. Under Obama it will happen in months, rather then over a generation. It doesn&#039;t help you to get a union if the company goes bankrupt or slashes US jobs. GM and Ford will never be competitive again. Bankruptcy is the only future for them in order to shed the massive pension and benefit guarantees extorted from them over the last 60 years. If you pay 50$ an hour for 14$ an hour labor, you will be out of business today, tomorrow, or some day. Nothing can change the laws of economics. Even Obama must be smart enough to realize that the government can&#039;t bail out every US company, GM, Ford, Chrysler, plus the irresponsible borrowers, plus the lazy, plus the stupid, plus pay for health care for everyone, plus give away free college tuition, gasoline, food, clothing, vaccinations, baby formula, rent vouchers, etc, etc. There isn&#039;t enough money in the whole world to do even three of those things when you factor in social security and medicare. Those two things consume 25% of every productive dollar in the US right now. Where will Obama get the money? Oh, that&#039;s right;

&quot;You&#039;ll work harder with a gun in your back, for a bowl of rice a day. Slave for soldiers till you starve and your head&#039;s skewered on a stake... &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, </p>
<p>The good news is that everyone will notice 12% unemployment, 6$ a gallon gasoline, and Dow 5000. </p>
<p>Carter employed the exact same economic and energy policies Obama wants. The result will be even worse this time around because energy is so important to our economy, and there is much more international competition. In 1977, it was more difficult to offshore jobs, now HP and Dell (two clients of mine) are moving as quickly as they can in the wake of the Obama victory to offshore tens of thousands of jobs, and eliminate every US job they can cut. They know Obama will destroy their profitability.</p>
<p>Watch every US company shrink the way Ford and GM have shrunk over the last 3 decades. Under Obama it will happen in months, rather then over a generation. It doesn&#8217;t help you to get a union if the company goes bankrupt or slashes US jobs. GM and Ford will never be competitive again. Bankruptcy is the only future for them in order to shed the massive pension and benefit guarantees extorted from them over the last 60 years. If you pay 50$ an hour for 14$ an hour labor, you will be out of business today, tomorrow, or some day. Nothing can change the laws of economics. Even Obama must be smart enough to realize that the government can&#8217;t bail out every US company, GM, Ford, Chrysler, plus the irresponsible borrowers, plus the lazy, plus the stupid, plus pay for health care for everyone, plus give away free college tuition, gasoline, food, clothing, vaccinations, baby formula, rent vouchers, etc, etc. There isn&#8217;t enough money in the whole world to do even three of those things when you factor in social security and medicare. Those two things consume 25% of every productive dollar in the US right now. Where will Obama get the money? Oh, that&#8217;s right;</p>
<p>&#8220;You&#8217;ll work harder with a gun in your back, for a bowl of rice a day. Slave for soldiers till you starve and your head&#8217;s skewered on a stake&#8230; &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: MarkJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two observations:

1. If &quot;card check&quot; actually gets passed, Obama can pretty much forget about any notions of reducing unemployment. Nobody in his right mind is going to hire new people if it means forced unionization and even higher operating expenses.

2. If &quot;card check&quot; gets passed, people are going to get hurt--and I mean that in the physical as well as financial sense.  Obama is obviously in love with the New Deal, but he seems oblivious of labor-related violence that also accompanied it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two observations:</p>
<p>1. If &#8220;card check&#8221; actually gets passed, Obama can pretty much forget about any notions of reducing unemployment. Nobody in his right mind is going to hire new people if it means forced unionization and even higher operating expenses.</p>
<p>2. If &#8220;card check&#8221; gets passed, people are going to get hurt&#8211;and I mean that in the physical as well as financial sense.  Obama is obviously in love with the New Deal, but he seems oblivious of labor-related violence that also accompanied it.</p>
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