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		<title>By: lu-ee</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/11/05/obama-wins-my-wrap-up/comment-page-1/#comment-105584</link>
		<dc:creator>lu-ee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 04:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see a fiddle plays while rome burns. typical crap played by a crap lib fake christian artist. Obama may be your savior but he is an abomination in my book.  I think it would be wise for the fiddler to look for another hash bar to play in.

obama is toast.  I bet $500 he will go down as the worst president in USA history. unvetted, unprepared, unpopular, and untested. a fake and not a fact. he will be a foot note in american history. he will that moment when the republic will look back and say &quot;well he looked like he could have been a good president&quot; yet had not one single qualification to be one.

the guy will be a failure and the romans will run to the gates to flee his insanity. 

he is bush 43 &amp; clinton all wrapped up into one candidate, accept 20 yrs younger and 20 yrs more radically inept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a fiddle plays while rome burns. typical crap played by a crap lib fake christian artist. Obama may be your savior but he is an abomination in my book.  I think it would be wise for the fiddler to look for another hash bar to play in.</p>
<p>obama is toast.  I bet $500 he will go down as the worst president in USA history. unvetted, unprepared, unpopular, and untested. a fake and not a fact. he will be a foot note in american history. he will that moment when the republic will look back and say &#8220;well he looked like he could have been a good president&#8221; yet had not one single qualification to be one.</p>
<p>the guy will be a failure and the romans will run to the gates to flee his insanity. </p>
<p>he is bush 43 &amp; clinton all wrapped up into one candidate, accept 20 yrs younger and 20 yrs more radically inept.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My prediction for an Obama presidency?

The Right will have one set of expectations for Obama.

The Left will have another set of expectations for Obama.

And Obama will live up to none of them.

&quot;More of the same with a different name.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My prediction for an Obama presidency?</p>
<p>The Right will have one set of expectations for Obama.</p>
<p>The Left will have another set of expectations for Obama.</p>
<p>And Obama will live up to none of them.</p>
<p>&#8220;More of the same with a different name.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Fiddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suggest you read Daniel and Revelation, especially Revelation. Much there you will have no doubt of it&#039;s truth in the coming days and it will be up to you to choose whether to continue with your nonsensical logic and spend a very uncomfortable eternity (called hell in that old fashioned book,the Bible:)or submit to the God of this universe who loved you enough to send His Son to take the punishment you deserved on Himself (redemption from sin through His blood)the perfect sacrifice. Saved through His righteousness and His alone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suggest you read Daniel and Revelation, especially Revelation. Much there you will have no doubt of it&#8217;s truth in the coming days and it will be up to you to choose whether to continue with your nonsensical logic and spend a very uncomfortable eternity (called hell in that old fashioned book,the Bible:)or submit to the God of this universe who loved you enough to send His Son to take the punishment you deserved on Himself (redemption from sin through His blood)the perfect sacrifice. Saved through His righteousness and His alone</p>
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		<title>By: lu-ee</title>
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		<dc:creator>lu-ee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ps 
Why so serious libs? wink wink

and for all the conservatives out there, there are some MAJOR PLATINUM LININGS:

its real nice the ban gay marriage ballots ALL PASSED AND WON.

Also, conservatives will be shortly making a stand against abortion in front of the US Supreme court on several key parts of the roe vs wade decision. the holes are now showing up with the decision and a repeal may happen just like the repeal of drett scott. 

and well what do we have here...affirmative action got banned too in a couple of states. yeah...traditional conservative values are sure dissappearing folks. 

And Franken&#039;s candidacy is DOA. BAD BREATH GETS TO FADE TO BLACK FOR AWHILE.

And i thinks its really interesting that Obama&#039;s first day as Pres-Elect the stock market PLUNGED. 

Yes democrats certainly brought change by tanking the US treasury thru covering up the imploding sub-prime corruption at fannie and freddie with Obama as their main funded political beneficiary, and Frank&#039;s ex-lover was the head of one of the other companies that got bailed out.  a &quot;sweatheart deal&quot; if a ever heard on one.

This will be a real nice horror flick to watch the ONE politician, who helped create the implosion and resultant finacial catastrophy, TRY AND SOLVE IT. Its like letting the mouse guard the cheese...&quot;green cheese&quot; that is.

in regards to traditional values...it wasnt traditional values that got us into this mess; it was liberal democrats and moderate republicans who abandoned traditional values.

so lets see liberal democrats TRY AND FIX THEIR OWN MESS.  

oh and lets hope obama and his wife CONTROL ALL THEIR SPENDING on ALL THEIR CLOTHS &amp; PARTIES. 

....and lets see the liberals and all of the liberal msm report on the obamas and the libs when they spend like drunken sailors.

cheers liberal chumps. Lets see how the historians write you up when YOUR PARTY TANKS THE GOVT AND MAKES THIS WHOLE MESS WORSE! AND YOU CHUMPS GET TO TAKE CREDIT FOR IT! HERE OBAMA &quot;FIX&quot; &quot;IT.&quot; 

Why so serious libs? heh heh

pss ...and the conservatives pull out their first batches of buttered popcorn and watch with envy as the libs and dems fall on their fat overstuffed and drunken faces. you get the history you deserve.

cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps<br />
Why so serious libs? wink wink</p>
<p>and for all the conservatives out there, there are some MAJOR PLATINUM LININGS:</p>
<p>its real nice the ban gay marriage ballots ALL PASSED AND WON.</p>
<p>Also, conservatives will be shortly making a stand against abortion in front of the US Supreme court on several key parts of the roe vs wade decision. the holes are now showing up with the decision and a repeal may happen just like the repeal of drett scott. </p>
<p>and well what do we have here&#8230;affirmative action got banned too in a couple of states. yeah&#8230;traditional conservative values are sure dissappearing folks. </p>
<p>And Franken&#8217;s candidacy is DOA. BAD BREATH GETS TO FADE TO BLACK FOR AWHILE.</p>
<p>And i thinks its really interesting that Obama&#8217;s first day as Pres-Elect the stock market PLUNGED. </p>
<p>Yes democrats certainly brought change by tanking the US treasury thru covering up the imploding sub-prime corruption at fannie and freddie with Obama as their main funded political beneficiary, and Frank&#8217;s ex-lover was the head of one of the other companies that got bailed out.  a &#8220;sweatheart deal&#8221; if a ever heard on one.</p>
<p>This will be a real nice horror flick to watch the ONE politician, who helped create the implosion and resultant finacial catastrophy, TRY AND SOLVE IT. Its like letting the mouse guard the cheese&#8230;&#8221;green cheese&#8221; that is.</p>
<p>in regards to traditional values&#8230;it wasnt traditional values that got us into this mess; it was liberal democrats and moderate republicans who abandoned traditional values.</p>
<p>so lets see liberal democrats TRY AND FIX THEIR OWN MESS.  </p>
<p>oh and lets hope obama and his wife CONTROL ALL THEIR SPENDING on ALL THEIR CLOTHS &amp; PARTIES. </p>
<p>&#8230;.and lets see the liberals and all of the liberal msm report on the obamas and the libs when they spend like drunken sailors.</p>
<p>cheers liberal chumps. Lets see how the historians write you up when YOUR PARTY TANKS THE GOVT AND MAKES THIS WHOLE MESS WORSE! AND YOU CHUMPS GET TO TAKE CREDIT FOR IT! HERE OBAMA &#8220;FIX&#8221; &#8220;IT.&#8221; </p>
<p>Why so serious libs? heh heh</p>
<p>pss &#8230;and the conservatives pull out their first batches of buttered popcorn and watch with envy as the libs and dems fall on their fat overstuffed and drunken faces. you get the history you deserve.</p>
<p>cheers</p>
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		<title>By: lu-ee</title>
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		<dc:creator>lu-ee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well for one, the liberal and even supposed conservative(i.e. liberal conservative) pundits/journalists killed any chance of an OBJECTIVE &amp; TRUTHFUL evaluation of either candidate, whether for VP or POTUS.

i loved it when noonan said she was for palin the day or two before the election, even after she trashed palin for much of her election cycle op ed pieces. as if noonan didnt have to worry that sarah p would be in office anyway, so why not try and get back some of her readers who have since left her.  

simply astounding that noonan, parker, buckley, sullivan and G. Will would work towards the advantage of obama to get him elected by decreasing the republican &amp; right-leaning independent vote with their hit pieces as to why Palin wasnt a good VP choice.

yes, the liberal msm was bad enough, but to see these supposed conservatives basically trash the repub candidate was heart-breaking.

i also guess ed koch was right: in the end the election came down to abortion. just very sad that during this election, the two groups of descriminated americans that were ONCE AGAIN dumped on by liberal democrats, liberal conservatives, and liberal republicans were aborted babies and vietnam vet pows. THEY SEEM TO BE THE 2 GROUPS OF AMERICANS THAT SIMPLY DESERVE no representation by a POTUS candidate.

not to mention the voter fraud that the justice dept let happen in Ohio and Penn. with some of the perps even caught on tape.

I give credit to Pres Bush for his right to life support and the war on terror, and do not think he deserve quite as low as the polls give him BUT he was not a great alround POTUS. Time will tell, but he didnt communicate his ideas well, and i for one learned to not trust him anymore to do the right thing for the USA.  But i do not think obama is a better POTUS because he supposedly speak well. obama speaks. oh does he blather and blabble and babble...BUT OBAMA SAYS NOTHING. and when he says something of substance it is nt something i agree with. soooo.....

really makes me think what the founding fathers would have thought of rigged POTUS elections, killing of the unborn, and the belittling of american pows.

dont know of one person who didnt vote for obama who said they didnt vote for him because of his color; it was all about his wacked ideas.

and to all the conservatives saying obama ran a great campaign, how disgusting &amp; hypocritical, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE SAME JORNALISTS WERE PUBLISHING HOW OBAMA&#039;S CAMPAIGN WAS SO CORRUPT AND UN-DEMOCRATIC. obama was never vetted thoroughly by the entire msm to even be put in a bad light. the msm suppressed or ignored all negative &amp; radical inforamtion. yet this same msm did hit pieces on those who disagreed with obama.  How can anyone say he ran an &quot;honorable&quot; campaign when he allowed all the suspicious under-$200 campaign donations? how about the illegal coordination with ACORN to promote voter registration fraud? and the suppressed vote in Penn? the hit jobs on Palin and Joe the Plumber&#039;s backgrounds by democratic state officials? Rezko any body?? the coordination with Alaskan democrats to use the investigation into Palin as a political weapon? where was Obama&#039;s experience of crossing party lines to solve problems in all this? It was said he is a fresh face and an upstanding politician, yet no evidence was ever brought forth to prove this. 

AND yet obama was fabricated and supported by the Daley Chicago policital machine as well as obama was friends with an African tyrant, even when said tyrant used his power to kill and mame his own people.

liberal conservatives(yes this is now a new political term in the american political lexicon), they did quite an amount of damage.

for all the disagreements in the democratic party primaries, dems held together. not so the liberal repubs and conserves. They worked to destroy their own candidates &amp; party.  mostly due to the VP and POTUS repub candidates not speaking like they do, nor supporting abortion. 

simply astounding.

i will enjoy denying that obama is my president because i didnt vote for him. those republicans and supposed conservatives who did vote for him...well enjoy. I do not expect to hear ANY COMPLAINTS FROM ANY OF YOU. I also expect for you to take credit for all the &quot;good&quot; obama will do for this country.

sure, i will pray for him just like any other POTUS but i dont see as MY PRESIDENT because he stands for nothing that i agree with or believe in.

well he now has a shot to ruin america for generations folks. enjoy the monster movie.  the obamination is upon us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well for one, the liberal and even supposed conservative(i.e. liberal conservative) pundits/journalists killed any chance of an OBJECTIVE &amp; TRUTHFUL evaluation of either candidate, whether for VP or POTUS.</p>
<p>i loved it when noonan said she was for palin the day or two before the election, even after she trashed palin for much of her election cycle op ed pieces. as if noonan didnt have to worry that sarah p would be in office anyway, so why not try and get back some of her readers who have since left her.  </p>
<p>simply astounding that noonan, parker, buckley, sullivan and G. Will would work towards the advantage of obama to get him elected by decreasing the republican &amp; right-leaning independent vote with their hit pieces as to why Palin wasnt a good VP choice.</p>
<p>yes, the liberal msm was bad enough, but to see these supposed conservatives basically trash the repub candidate was heart-breaking.</p>
<p>i also guess ed koch was right: in the end the election came down to abortion. just very sad that during this election, the two groups of descriminated americans that were ONCE AGAIN dumped on by liberal democrats, liberal conservatives, and liberal republicans were aborted babies and vietnam vet pows. THEY SEEM TO BE THE 2 GROUPS OF AMERICANS THAT SIMPLY DESERVE no representation by a POTUS candidate.</p>
<p>not to mention the voter fraud that the justice dept let happen in Ohio and Penn. with some of the perps even caught on tape.</p>
<p>I give credit to Pres Bush for his right to life support and the war on terror, and do not think he deserve quite as low as the polls give him BUT he was not a great alround POTUS. Time will tell, but he didnt communicate his ideas well, and i for one learned to not trust him anymore to do the right thing for the USA.  But i do not think obama is a better POTUS because he supposedly speak well. obama speaks. oh does he blather and blabble and babble&#8230;BUT OBAMA SAYS NOTHING. and when he says something of substance it is nt something i agree with. soooo&#8230;..</p>
<p>really makes me think what the founding fathers would have thought of rigged POTUS elections, killing of the unborn, and the belittling of american pows.</p>
<p>dont know of one person who didnt vote for obama who said they didnt vote for him because of his color; it was all about his wacked ideas.</p>
<p>and to all the conservatives saying obama ran a great campaign, how disgusting &amp; hypocritical, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE SAME JORNALISTS WERE PUBLISHING HOW OBAMA&#8217;S CAMPAIGN WAS SO CORRUPT AND UN-DEMOCRATIC. obama was never vetted thoroughly by the entire msm to even be put in a bad light. the msm suppressed or ignored all negative &amp; radical inforamtion. yet this same msm did hit pieces on those who disagreed with obama.  How can anyone say he ran an &#8220;honorable&#8221; campaign when he allowed all the suspicious under-$200 campaign donations? how about the illegal coordination with ACORN to promote voter registration fraud? and the suppressed vote in Penn? the hit jobs on Palin and Joe the Plumber&#8217;s backgrounds by democratic state officials? Rezko any body?? the coordination with Alaskan democrats to use the investigation into Palin as a political weapon? where was Obama&#8217;s experience of crossing party lines to solve problems in all this? It was said he is a fresh face and an upstanding politician, yet no evidence was ever brought forth to prove this. </p>
<p>AND yet obama was fabricated and supported by the Daley Chicago policital machine as well as obama was friends with an African tyrant, even when said tyrant used his power to kill and mame his own people.</p>
<p>liberal conservatives(yes this is now a new political term in the american political lexicon), they did quite an amount of damage.</p>
<p>for all the disagreements in the democratic party primaries, dems held together. not so the liberal repubs and conserves. They worked to destroy their own candidates &amp; party.  mostly due to the VP and POTUS repub candidates not speaking like they do, nor supporting abortion. </p>
<p>simply astounding.</p>
<p>i will enjoy denying that obama is my president because i didnt vote for him. those republicans and supposed conservatives who did vote for him&#8230;well enjoy. I do not expect to hear ANY COMPLAINTS FROM ANY OF YOU. I also expect for you to take credit for all the &#8220;good&#8221; obama will do for this country.</p>
<p>sure, i will pray for him just like any other POTUS but i dont see as MY PRESIDENT because he stands for nothing that i agree with or believe in.</p>
<p>well he now has a shot to ruin america for generations folks. enjoy the monster movie.  the obamination is upon us.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now is the time we hold all Republican Senators feet to the fire and demand they filibuster all radical legislation. Democrats failed to get thier 60 vote majority in the Senate so we still have the filibuster to save us from extreme or vindictive legislation like the &quot;fairness doctrine&quot;.  If Republicans play thier cards right they can wield tremendous power even with minority status and Obama as President but they need to grow spines, stop listening to the press, stop caring about being invited to Washing DC parties. If they do this and Democrats overplay thier hand (which I am confident they will do) and excite the conservative base they may fare very well in the midterm elections in two years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now is the time we hold all Republican Senators feet to the fire and demand they filibuster all radical legislation. Democrats failed to get thier 60 vote majority in the Senate so we still have the filibuster to save us from extreme or vindictive legislation like the &#8220;fairness doctrine&#8221;.  If Republicans play thier cards right they can wield tremendous power even with minority status and Obama as President but they need to grow spines, stop listening to the press, stop caring about being invited to Washing DC parties. If they do this and Democrats overplay thier hand (which I am confident they will do) and excite the conservative base they may fare very well in the midterm elections in two years.</p>
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		<title>By: Congratulations Barrack Obama : Domestic Divapalooza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Congratulations Barrack Obama : Domestic Divapalooza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 3. Stop the ACLU always has interesting posts. Be sure and read: Obama Wins: My Wrap Up. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paul_In_Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul_In_Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What do you think will happen?&quot;

Here&#039;s my biggest fear...

On election day, the Ace of Spades website posted a picture of two Iraqi women, with purple-stained fingers showing they had voted in an election. 

It was a &quot;Get Out The Vote&quot; message, noting that whatever hardships or inconveniences YOU may experience by voting, &quot;These women literally risked their lives to vote&quot;.

My first reaction to that was, &quot;And THE ONE can hardly wait to sell them out&quot;.

One of my biggest worries about Obama is that his rhetoric on Iraq, and rumored comments about Israel, show an almost casual willingness to sell out allies when convenient.

A commenter on another blog asked, “Who appointed us to be their guardians?  Why is it America’s job to make sure they are safe?”

I feel the answer is we&#039;d rather not have the entire world as a nuclear-armed camp, based on the idea that the more countries that have these things, the greater the likelihood that some will eventually be used.

Our alliances with these countries, to protect them, are not out of the goodness of our heart, but for what we see as our own best interests.  Sell one out, and you can bet the others will sure take notice.

It seemed that commenter was advocating, “To hell with them, let them take care of themselves!”

Well, the problem there is they might do exactly that, and we may not be too thrilled with the results.

If countries under threat (Taiwan, maybe South Korea, even Japan) feel reason to believe that our word is no longer any good, they’ll almost certainly feel the need for self-sufficiency in nuclear arms as the only real deterrent to someone like China.  And note, those countries mentioned ALL have the necessary economic, industrial and technical wherewithal to go nuclear.  All they need do is make the decision.

Others, in the Middle East will want them to deter Iran.  How about Saudi Arabia and Egypt?  Maybe Libya decides that abandoning their efforts was a mistake. THOSE countries may lack the technology, but they can certainly afford to finance it.

It could just go on and on.

THAT, I feel, would be a very likely result of us deciding to just disengage ourselves with these countries.

We’ve tried successfully, and for a long time, to convince others that they did not need them, because WE would provide the protection of a nuclear umbrella.

When they decide we cannot be relied on, the whole thing unravels.

If that commenter gets his wish, and they take care of themselves, it could get real interesting for us as well.

Seeing that we also reside on the same planet, I think it almost impossible we would remain unaffected.

So, standing up for our allies is not merely a nice thing to do; it makes the hardest kind of common sense.

Simply put, we protect others in order to protect ourselves.  Abandoning them, selling them out, would be an unbelievably short-sighted (as in STUPID) thing to do, and would hurt us more in the long run.  No one would trust an agreement with us; and why should they, given such a record?  Instead of being worth anything, our word would only be noise.

And that would be tragic, because WE set its&#039; value, by our actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What do you think will happen?&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my biggest fear&#8230;</p>
<p>On election day, the Ace of Spades website posted a picture of two Iraqi women, with purple-stained fingers showing they had voted in an election. </p>
<p>It was a &#8220;Get Out The Vote&#8221; message, noting that whatever hardships or inconveniences YOU may experience by voting, &#8220;These women literally risked their lives to vote&#8221;.</p>
<p>My first reaction to that was, &#8220;And THE ONE can hardly wait to sell them out&#8221;.</p>
<p>One of my biggest worries about Obama is that his rhetoric on Iraq, and rumored comments about Israel, show an almost casual willingness to sell out allies when convenient.</p>
<p>A commenter on another blog asked, “Who appointed us to be their guardians?  Why is it America’s job to make sure they are safe?”</p>
<p>I feel the answer is we&#8217;d rather not have the entire world as a nuclear-armed camp, based on the idea that the more countries that have these things, the greater the likelihood that some will eventually be used.</p>
<p>Our alliances with these countries, to protect them, are not out of the goodness of our heart, but for what we see as our own best interests.  Sell one out, and you can bet the others will sure take notice.</p>
<p>It seemed that commenter was advocating, “To hell with them, let them take care of themselves!”</p>
<p>Well, the problem there is they might do exactly that, and we may not be too thrilled with the results.</p>
<p>If countries under threat (Taiwan, maybe South Korea, even Japan) feel reason to believe that our word is no longer any good, they’ll almost certainly feel the need for self-sufficiency in nuclear arms as the only real deterrent to someone like China.  And note, those countries mentioned ALL have the necessary economic, industrial and technical wherewithal to go nuclear.  All they need do is make the decision.</p>
<p>Others, in the Middle East will want them to deter Iran.  How about Saudi Arabia and Egypt?  Maybe Libya decides that abandoning their efforts was a mistake. THOSE countries may lack the technology, but they can certainly afford to finance it.</p>
<p>It could just go on and on.</p>
<p>THAT, I feel, would be a very likely result of us deciding to just disengage ourselves with these countries.</p>
<p>We’ve tried successfully, and for a long time, to convince others that they did not need them, because WE would provide the protection of a nuclear umbrella.</p>
<p>When they decide we cannot be relied on, the whole thing unravels.</p>
<p>If that commenter gets his wish, and they take care of themselves, it could get real interesting for us as well.</p>
<p>Seeing that we also reside on the same planet, I think it almost impossible we would remain unaffected.</p>
<p>So, standing up for our allies is not merely a nice thing to do; it makes the hardest kind of common sense.</p>
<p>Simply put, we protect others in order to protect ourselves.  Abandoning them, selling them out, would be an unbelievably short-sighted (as in STUPID) thing to do, and would hurt us more in the long run.  No one would trust an agreement with us; and why should they, given such a record?  Instead of being worth anything, our word would only be noise.</p>
<p>And that would be tragic, because WE set its&#8217; value, by our actions.</p>
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