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	<title>Comments on: Berg v Obama Citizenship Dismissed in Philadelphia Court</title>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/10/25/berg-v-obama-citizenship-dismissed-in-philadelphia-court/comment-page-2/#comment-102443</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we just disregard Obama as the subject of the lawsuit for a second, this ruling simply states that citizens, individually, or as a group lack legal standing to question any Presidential candidate&#039;s eligibility before the Court.  Also according to this ruling, Congress is the only entity that can decide who has standing, and they haven&#039;t done so, yet.  So technically, NO ONE has legal standing.

If nothing changes, this ruling would mean that Arnold Schwarzanegger, who was born in Austria to parents who were Austrian citizens, could run for President in 2012, even though he is CLEARLY not a natural born citizen of the United States, and there&#039;s not one single person in this country with the legal standing to question his eligibility.  The Governator can be elected and can become POTUS because no one has any legal standing to question his eligibility before the courts.

I think Berg has a legitimate appeal arguing that the 1st Amendment guarantees an individual right to Petition the Government for a Redress of Grievances.  I would think a serious violation of the Constitution such as a Constitutionally ineligible President constitutes a legitimate grievance.  Since his right to Petition the courts to Redress his Constitutional Grievances is Constitutionally guaranteed, the courts erred by claiming that he lacks legal standing to petition (sue).  In that error, Judge Surrick effectively violated Berg&#039;s 1st Amendment petition rights.

Hopefully that would be enough for the SCOTUS to send the case back to Federal District court instructing them to rule on the facts and merits of the case (or lack thereof).

I&#039;m not holding out much hope for that, though.  The courts have shown themselves to be as corrupt as the Executive and Legislative branches in their willingness to ignore the Constitution any time they feel like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we just disregard Obama as the subject of the lawsuit for a second, this ruling simply states that citizens, individually, or as a group lack legal standing to question any Presidential candidate&#8217;s eligibility before the Court.  Also according to this ruling, Congress is the only entity that can decide who has standing, and they haven&#8217;t done so, yet.  So technically, NO ONE has legal standing.</p>
<p>If nothing changes, this ruling would mean that Arnold Schwarzanegger, who was born in Austria to parents who were Austrian citizens, could run for President in 2012, even though he is CLEARLY not a natural born citizen of the United States, and there&#8217;s not one single person in this country with the legal standing to question his eligibility.  The Governator can be elected and can become POTUS because no one has any legal standing to question his eligibility before the courts.</p>
<p>I think Berg has a legitimate appeal arguing that the 1st Amendment guarantees an individual right to Petition the Government for a Redress of Grievances.  I would think a serious violation of the Constitution such as a Constitutionally ineligible President constitutes a legitimate grievance.  Since his right to Petition the courts to Redress his Constitutional Grievances is Constitutionally guaranteed, the courts erred by claiming that he lacks legal standing to petition (sue).  In that error, Judge Surrick effectively violated Berg&#8217;s 1st Amendment petition rights.</p>
<p>Hopefully that would be enough for the SCOTUS to send the case back to Federal District court instructing them to rule on the facts and merits of the case (or lack thereof).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not holding out much hope for that, though.  The courts have shown themselves to be as corrupt as the Executive and Legislative branches in their willingness to ignore the Constitution any time they feel like it.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/10/25/berg-v-obama-citizenship-dismissed-in-philadelphia-court/comment-page-2/#comment-102336</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it not clear to everyone.  This is a terrorist attack on the constitution of the United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it not clear to everyone.  This is a terrorist attack on the constitution of the United States.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/10/25/berg-v-obama-citizenship-dismissed-in-philadelphia-court/comment-page-2/#comment-102223</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 02:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A citizen doesn&#039;t have legal ’standing’ to require the courts to uphold the U.S. Constitution? Senator Obama has not produced a valid birth certificate, which further supports the credibility of the evidence Mr. Berg has uncovered. Rather than put the issue to rest by simply producing a proper birth certificate and addressing the other disqualifying issues raised by Mr. Berg, Senator Obama and the DNC, instead bet the farm on being able to receive a sympathetic court ruling based on a subjective legal technicality to avoid having to produce possibly nonexistent documents to prove he is a U.S. citizen. 

The truth is that Senator Obama may never have been properly vetted and in fact may not be eligible to serve as either a U.S. Senator or President of the United States. Every veteran, including myself, swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Senator Obama and the DNC lawyers, as well as the judge who dismissed this case despite it&#039;s seminal importance to the upcoming national election, all took a similar oath. However rather than upholding their sacred oath and doing their sworn duty to support and defend the U.S. Constitution, they instead acted to dismiss a citizens&#039; very well substantiated valid concern for Constitutional eligibility, by asserting Mr. Berg has no &#039;standing&#039; with the court. This is especially egregious considering the sad irony that Mr. Berg, who along with being a U.S. citizen endowed with unalienable rights and liberty like every other, had for eight years served as Deputy Attorney General for Pennsylvania where he protected our Constitutional rights while enforcing the law. 

Every U.S. citizen has a right as well as the civic duty and moral obligation to require proof of eligibility from a candidate before an election, and failing voluntary cooperation by that candidate, to enlist the help of the government in obtaining that proof well in advance of an election. Instead of being helped, Mr. Berg is being dismissed; his voice as well as those of millions of Americans who support his efforts both in patriotic principle and spirit, was simply summarily silenced. As citizens of the United States of America, a Constitutional Republic, we each have &#039;standing&#039; in demanding that our elected officials be legal citizens like us. We the people, as United States citizens either individually or collectively, do have a right to demand the truth regarding Senator Obama&#039;s suspiciously undocumented claim of U.S. citizenship with respect to his eligibility as required by nothing less than the full weight, measure and force of the United States Constitution. Proof that any of us are required to provide to hold any Federal or State government job, as well as many private sector ones. 

Why should Senator Obama be excused? Why would Senator Obama and the DNC so vehemently resist having to provide the same legal proof that each of us as a U.S. citizen, has to provide unless he simply can not, because Mr. Berg is correct that in fact Senator Obama is not legally a citizen of the United States of America?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A citizen doesn&#8217;t have legal ’standing’ to require the courts to uphold the U.S. Constitution? Senator Obama has not produced a valid birth certificate, which further supports the credibility of the evidence Mr. Berg has uncovered. Rather than put the issue to rest by simply producing a proper birth certificate and addressing the other disqualifying issues raised by Mr. Berg, Senator Obama and the DNC, instead bet the farm on being able to receive a sympathetic court ruling based on a subjective legal technicality to avoid having to produce possibly nonexistent documents to prove he is a U.S. citizen. </p>
<p>The truth is that Senator Obama may never have been properly vetted and in fact may not be eligible to serve as either a U.S. Senator or President of the United States. Every veteran, including myself, swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Senator Obama and the DNC lawyers, as well as the judge who dismissed this case despite it&#8217;s seminal importance to the upcoming national election, all took a similar oath. However rather than upholding their sacred oath and doing their sworn duty to support and defend the U.S. Constitution, they instead acted to dismiss a citizens&#8217; very well substantiated valid concern for Constitutional eligibility, by asserting Mr. Berg has no &#8217;standing&#8217; with the court. This is especially egregious considering the sad irony that Mr. Berg, who along with being a U.S. citizen endowed with unalienable rights and liberty like every other, had for eight years served as Deputy Attorney General for Pennsylvania where he protected our Constitutional rights while enforcing the law. </p>
<p>Every U.S. citizen has a right as well as the civic duty and moral obligation to require proof of eligibility from a candidate before an election, and failing voluntary cooperation by that candidate, to enlist the help of the government in obtaining that proof well in advance of an election. Instead of being helped, Mr. Berg is being dismissed; his voice as well as those of millions of Americans who support his efforts both in patriotic principle and spirit, was simply summarily silenced. As citizens of the United States of America, a Constitutional Republic, we each have &#8217;standing&#8217; in demanding that our elected officials be legal citizens like us. We the people, as United States citizens either individually or collectively, do have a right to demand the truth regarding Senator Obama&#8217;s suspiciously undocumented claim of U.S. citizenship with respect to his eligibility as required by nothing less than the full weight, measure and force of the United States Constitution. Proof that any of us are required to provide to hold any Federal or State government job, as well as many private sector ones. </p>
<p>Why should Senator Obama be excused? Why would Senator Obama and the DNC so vehemently resist having to provide the same legal proof that each of us as a U.S. citizen, has to provide unless he simply can not, because Mr. Berg is correct that in fact Senator Obama is not legally a citizen of the United States of America?</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey J</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/10/25/berg-v-obama-citizenship-dismissed-in-philadelphia-court/comment-page-2/#comment-102218</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickey J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 02:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Voters:
Do you believe Barack Obama&#039;s birth certificate is real?  If you look at the details of the lawsuit, a copy is with this email, there is some real doubt about where he was born.  Read it!
 
When you are finished, go to the website below (or just google his birth certificate) and READ THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE CAREFULLY.  In a box where his certificate states &quot;Fathers Race,&quot; it states AFRICAN.  What is wrong with this wording?  Think about it.  In 1961, we were not POLITICALLY CORRECT.  I challenge someone out there to produce another birth certificate from Hawaii, from 1961 or before, for a child with a black parent.  See if it says whether the father&#039;s race is AFRICAN, or does it say NEGRO, which was the accepted term at the time.  IF OTHER HAWAIIN BIRTH CERTIFICATES STATE ANYTHING BUT AFRICAN, IS THIS A FAKE?  Forward this on until we find someone born in Hawaii with black father or mother, and let&#039;s see what Hawaii birth records really look like!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voters:<br />
Do you believe Barack Obama&#8217;s birth certificate is real?  If you look at the details of the lawsuit, a copy is with this email, there is some real doubt about where he was born.  Read it!</p>
<p>When you are finished, go to the website below (or just google his birth certificate) and READ THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE CAREFULLY.  In a box where his certificate states &#8220;Fathers Race,&#8221; it states AFRICAN.  What is wrong with this wording?  Think about it.  In 1961, we were not POLITICALLY CORRECT.  I challenge someone out there to produce another birth certificate from Hawaii, from 1961 or before, for a child with a black parent.  See if it says whether the father&#8217;s race is AFRICAN, or does it say NEGRO, which was the accepted term at the time.  IF OTHER HAWAIIN BIRTH CERTIFICATES STATE ANYTHING BUT AFRICAN, IS THIS A FAKE?  Forward this on until we find someone born in Hawaii with black father or mother, and let&#8217;s see what Hawaii birth records really look like!</p>
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		<title>By: gaetano</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/10/25/berg-v-obama-citizenship-dismissed-in-philadelphia-court/comment-page-2/#comment-102198</link>
		<dc:creator>gaetano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess arnold Swart. can run next time.or may an illeagal mexican.And tony, this is for you. I am arepublican voting for mccain and I nor my family are trash.but if you hate the people that are voting the way I am,I suggest you have a check up with a shrink.People who hate are the ones that do not belong in our world.You are either,to young to vote,don`t know how,or maybe your just a black rapper from the getto on crack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess arnold Swart. can run next time.or may an illeagal mexican.And tony, this is for you. I am arepublican voting for mccain and I nor my family are trash.but if you hate the people that are voting the way I am,I suggest you have a check up with a shrink.People who hate are the ones that do not belong in our world.You are either,to young to vote,don`t know how,or maybe your just a black rapper from the getto on crack.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Holzer</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/10/25/berg-v-obama-citizenship-dismissed-in-philadelphia-court/comment-page-2/#comment-102188</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Holzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Music producer: Obama is &#039;running&#039; for the office of the POTUS. However, he is currently &#039;holding&#039; office as a standing US senator from Illinois. As such, he was sworn in to that office, and being under oath, he has sworn to :defend and uphold the Constitution&quot;. Knowing the qualifications to be the POTUS, if he is not a citizen, as some profess, has he not already committed a crime by violating his oath of office and be adjudicated while he is still &#039;running&#039; for seperate office?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Music producer: Obama is &#8216;running&#8217; for the office of the POTUS. However, he is currently &#8216;holding&#8217; office as a standing US senator from Illinois. As such, he was sworn in to that office, and being under oath, he has sworn to :defend and uphold the Constitution&#8221;. Knowing the qualifications to be the POTUS, if he is not a citizen, as some profess, has he not already committed a crime by violating his oath of office and be adjudicated while he is still &#8216;running&#8217; for seperate office?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/10/25/berg-v-obama-citizenship-dismissed-in-philadelphia-court/comment-page-2/#comment-102142</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The judge is saying Berg and no other citizen has the standing or the right to protect the Constitution in court. He has thumbed his nose at us. He didn&#039;t press for Obama to provide the proof of citizenship, so the judge has slipped out of that responsibility.  Contact your Senators and Representatives first to see if they will immediaitely bring this to court. If that doesn&#039;t work then we know it is time to take back our country from these corrupt bastards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The judge is saying Berg and no other citizen has the standing or the right to protect the Constitution in court. He has thumbed his nose at us. He didn&#8217;t press for Obama to provide the proof of citizenship, so the judge has slipped out of that responsibility.  Contact your Senators and Representatives first to see if they will immediaitely bring this to court. If that doesn&#8217;t work then we know it is time to take back our country from these corrupt bastards.</p>
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		<title>By: Stop the Republican Madness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stop the Republican Madness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That exerpt was taken from the link hyperlinked to my name, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That exerpt was taken from the link hyperlinked to my name, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Stop the Republican Madness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stop the Republican Madness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, now the Republicans, in their desperation and diversionary measures, are denying the validity/credibility of The Hawaii Department of Health in affirming its authenticity?

When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.

“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, now the Republicans, in their desperation and diversionary measures, are denying the validity/credibility of The Hawaii Department of Health in affirming its authenticity?</p>
<p>When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.</p>
<p>“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.</p>
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		<title>By: KLA</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/10/25/berg-v-obama-citizenship-dismissed-in-philadelphia-court/comment-page-2/#comment-102117</link>
		<dc:creator>KLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To:  The Other Ed:  First of all the document you are talking about is NOT a birth certificate.  It is a Certification of Live Birth!  They are not the same thing.  Second, Its been proven that that document is a forgery!  It was photoshopped!  Go to You Tube and search for Oboma--birth certificate and watch the videos about it!  This man is a fraud and needs to be put in jail!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To:  The Other Ed:  First of all the document you are talking about is NOT a birth certificate.  It is a Certification of Live Birth!  They are not the same thing.  Second, Its been proven that that document is a forgery!  It was photoshopped!  Go to You Tube and search for Oboma&#8211;birth certificate and watch the videos about it!  This man is a fraud and needs to be put in jail!</p>
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