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	<title>Comments on: Ex-Workers And John Boehner: What&#8217;s Up With ACORN?</title>
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		<title>By: mcfail</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So based on the last comment,

The democrats taking power would shift the corruption onto them from the republicans, all while promoting more secular beliefs to people as opposed to religious views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So based on the last comment,</p>
<p>The democrats taking power would shift the corruption onto them from the republicans, all while promoting more secular beliefs to people as opposed to religious views.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Ott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Ott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kilo, 
Tina Trent wrote this on Pajamas Media website (I edited it down a little here for brevity).  You can find it, and a whole lot of other discussion about this, by Googling &quot;tina trent acorn&quot;.
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&quot;Some answers on how and why ACORN does what it does:

... false registrations serve several purposes. On the smallest scale, they provide opportunities to acquire one or more registration cards to be used for illegal votes. You can have them sent to a community center, a homeless shelter, or someplace else where the cards can be picked up and used. And remember, you can also vote without your card, so long as you present yourself as somebody on the rolls and have some other (fake) form of I.D., so you can register people you know aren’t going to vote (ie. dead people) or vote for those dead people you know are registered.... 

You can also make up people, get them on the rolls, and then send in absentee ballots. You don’t need a body to do this, or a person to show up at the polls, so this is a major source of fraudulent voting. (My comment: &quot;potential source&quot; would be better wording)

You can also register people too young to vote and have them vote, along with felons and illegal aliens. The key to all of these things is to keep the laws about identification, both for registration and for casting votes, ...lax...

Voter registration drives also spread around money — donated by wealthy non-profits, or subsidized by taxpayers, and disseminated around to people .... who will ... register non-existent voters so the organization can go back to their donors (or the feds) and show that they’ve “met their goals.”

So another important purpose served is as an income stream for activism infrastructure, a way to pay the people you need for heads at a demonstration or a press conference, or to disrupt City Hall .....

Growing activism infrastructure doesn’t always translate directly into fraudulent votes cast (though it’s still fraud to file false registrations). But when you get enough money to stage large-scale efforts, then pay lots of people to get registrations, then swamp registration offices at the last possible moment with real and fake ballots, then start screaming about people being denied the right to vote, abetted by a complacent media that starts imagining itself back in “the day” — you’ve disrupted the system and laid the groundwork to whine ... about disenfranchisement, a complaint that many well-meaning Americans take at face value.

And then the loop is complete: ... “stop the presses: voters are being disenfranchised!&quot;.... Elected officials grandstand and get tax dollars to pay for registration drives. The money gets divvied out by elected officials to organizations like ACORN. And that money and infrastructure get used to lobby against any laws that would “make it harder to vote” by requiring things like registration in person, photo I.D., and other things required in all other industrialized countries (you know, the ones that are gleefully pointing at us right now and j’accusing us of preventing poor minorities from getting to the polls).

How does an Obama rise out of this? Easy. First you become the guy who gives out the grants (check). Then you make sure the block captains who support your election to lower-office are the ones who get in on the next grant gravy-train (check). Then you get into office and get more grants to give out to your guys on the ground (check), who re-elect you, sending your further and further up the electoral ladder. Check. Check. Check. (I am not suggesting that Republicans don’t have their own closed loops of corruption, but they don’t do this, and they don’t accuse the rest of us of being racists who suppress votes).

The one thing that must NEVER happen is “solving the problem” of poverty, or “disenfranchisement, or any other social ill, because then the gravy train dries up. The argument that “ACORN helps poor people all year long” is risible, unless by “help” you mean getting the most corruptible people from public housing onto public boards in order to open up new avenues of kickbacks and expand political power...&quot;
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Look, it&#039;s a bad thing to corrupt the most important element of our so-called &quot;representative government&quot; system, or even to corrupt the &quot;perception&quot; which is very important. And now we need to have bureaucrats wasting time putting bogus registration names on lists, getting lawsuits going over this garbage, and so on. It just &quot;stinks&quot;, and the people who promote/allow this scamming are loathsome in my book.  I think it is an indefensible thing, when you couple it with the organized efforts to kill any attempts to require a system of voter identification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kilo,<br />
Tina Trent wrote this on Pajamas Media website (I edited it down a little here for brevity).  You can find it, and a whole lot of other discussion about this, by Googling &#8220;tina trent acorn&#8221;.<br />
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&#8220;Some answers on how and why ACORN does what it does:</p>
<p>&#8230; false registrations serve several purposes. On the smallest scale, they provide opportunities to acquire one or more registration cards to be used for illegal votes. You can have them sent to a community center, a homeless shelter, or someplace else where the cards can be picked up and used. And remember, you can also vote without your card, so long as you present yourself as somebody on the rolls and have some other (fake) form of I.D., so you can register people you know aren’t going to vote (ie. dead people) or vote for those dead people you know are registered&#8230;. </p>
<p>You can also make up people, get them on the rolls, and then send in absentee ballots. You don’t need a body to do this, or a person to show up at the polls, so this is a major source of fraudulent voting. (My comment: &#8220;potential source&#8221; would be better wording)</p>
<p>You can also register people too young to vote and have them vote, along with felons and illegal aliens. The key to all of these things is to keep the laws about identification, both for registration and for casting votes, &#8230;lax&#8230;</p>
<p>Voter registration drives also spread around money — donated by wealthy non-profits, or subsidized by taxpayers, and disseminated around to people &#8230;. who will &#8230; register non-existent voters so the organization can go back to their donors (or the feds) and show that they’ve “met their goals.”</p>
<p>So another important purpose served is as an income stream for activism infrastructure, a way to pay the people you need for heads at a demonstration or a press conference, or to disrupt City Hall &#8230;..</p>
<p>Growing activism infrastructure doesn’t always translate directly into fraudulent votes cast (though it’s still fraud to file false registrations). But when you get enough money to stage large-scale efforts, then pay lots of people to get registrations, then swamp registration offices at the last possible moment with real and fake ballots, then start screaming about people being denied the right to vote, abetted by a complacent media that starts imagining itself back in “the day” — you’ve disrupted the system and laid the groundwork to whine &#8230; about disenfranchisement, a complaint that many well-meaning Americans take at face value.</p>
<p>And then the loop is complete: &#8230; “stop the presses: voters are being disenfranchised!&#8221;&#8230;. Elected officials grandstand and get tax dollars to pay for registration drives. The money gets divvied out by elected officials to organizations like ACORN. And that money and infrastructure get used to lobby against any laws that would “make it harder to vote” by requiring things like registration in person, photo I.D., and other things required in all other industrialized countries (you know, the ones that are gleefully pointing at us right now and j’accusing us of preventing poor minorities from getting to the polls).</p>
<p>How does an Obama rise out of this? Easy. First you become the guy who gives out the grants (check). Then you make sure the block captains who support your election to lower-office are the ones who get in on the next grant gravy-train (check). Then you get into office and get more grants to give out to your guys on the ground (check), who re-elect you, sending your further and further up the electoral ladder. Check. Check. Check. (I am not suggesting that Republicans don’t have their own closed loops of corruption, but they don’t do this, and they don’t accuse the rest of us of being racists who suppress votes).</p>
<p>The one thing that must NEVER happen is “solving the problem” of poverty, or “disenfranchisement, or any other social ill, because then the gravy train dries up. The argument that “ACORN helps poor people all year long” is risible, unless by “help” you mean getting the most corruptible people from public housing onto public boards in order to open up new avenues of kickbacks and expand political power&#8230;&#8221;<br />
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<p>Look, it&#8217;s a bad thing to corrupt the most important element of our so-called &#8220;representative government&#8221; system, or even to corrupt the &#8220;perception&#8221; which is very important. And now we need to have bureaucrats wasting time putting bogus registration names on lists, getting lawsuits going over this garbage, and so on. It just &#8220;stinks&#8221;, and the people who promote/allow this scamming are loathsome in my book.  I think it is an indefensible thing, when you couple it with the organized efforts to kill any attempts to require a system of voter identification.</p>
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		<title>By: tonynoboloney</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonynoboloney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is it about voter &quot;registration&quot; fraud people don&#039;t get?  Hundreds of thousands perhaps millions in all 50 states.  It cost money to produce those forms it cost money to process those forms, it slows the legitimate registering of voters and creates a atmosphere of distrust in the system.  All of this being brought to you by taxpayer funded radical leftist organization ACORN.  

Regardless of outcome in this election we have reached a tipping point where the media and many, many politicians will be held accountable for these dispicable anti-American activities. Shame on the powers that be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it about voter &#8220;registration&#8221; fraud people don&#8217;t get?  Hundreds of thousands perhaps millions in all 50 states.  It cost money to produce those forms it cost money to process those forms, it slows the legitimate registering of voters and creates a atmosphere of distrust in the system.  All of this being brought to you by taxpayer funded radical leftist organization ACORN.  </p>
<p>Regardless of outcome in this election we have reached a tipping point where the media and many, many politicians will be held accountable for these dispicable anti-American activities. Shame on the powers that be.</p>
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		<title>By: Kilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And this all begs the question of how many of the fraudulent registrations lead to actual fake votes.&quot;

Yeah, but apparently it&#039;s a question you want answered, otherwise you wouldn&#039;t still be asking it.

Why is it that literally every day I read these &quot;voter&quot; fraud stories, I have no problem finding yet another expert explaining in plain English that fraudulent votes in US elections are rare enough to call them non-existent. But the people dedicating so much time to pushing this story haven&#039;t found this answer once.

Today&#039;s was an investigator stating more people will be hit by lighting on their way to vote than will cast fraudulent votes.

Now you can still wonder what that number is, but pretending it is anything worth talking about this much is nothing but misleading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And this all begs the question of how many of the fraudulent registrations lead to actual fake votes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, but apparently it&#8217;s a question you want answered, otherwise you wouldn&#8217;t still be asking it.</p>
<p>Why is it that literally every day I read these &#8220;voter&#8221; fraud stories, I have no problem finding yet another expert explaining in plain English that fraudulent votes in US elections are rare enough to call them non-existent. But the people dedicating so much time to pushing this story haven&#8217;t found this answer once.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s was an investigator stating more people will be hit by lighting on their way to vote than will cast fraudulent votes.</p>
<p>Now you can still wonder what that number is, but pretending it is anything worth talking about this much is nothing but misleading.</p>
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