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	<title>Comments on: Can We Raise Holy Hell? Apparently Not.</title>
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	<description>Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer</description>
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		<title>By: Maggie Thornton</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/10/22/can-we-raise-holy-hell-apparently-not/comment-page-1/#comment-101650</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s that simple, although I do not understand it all either. I think this lawsuit boils down to was he really born in the U.S. and if not, what happened in Indonesia (perhaps a dual citizenship issue, not an issue here, but still today an issue in Indonesia).

The 14th Amendment was intended to protect our Black population. It said that the Government cannot rob a citizen of their citizenship, unless they want to give it up. Then, there&#039;s this from http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment14/01.html#1: 

&quot;In a subsequent decision, however, the Court held that persons who were statutorily naturalized by being born abroad of at least one American parent could not claim the protection of the first sentence of Sec. 1 and that Congress could therefore impose a reasonable and non-arbitrary condition subsequent upon their continued retention of United States citizenship.&quot;

The first sentence of Sec. 1 mentioned above basically says that if you are born or naturalized, you cannot be denied your citizenship.

There&#039;s also an issue of how long the mother had lived in the US after a certain age, and before giving birth abroad, and perhaps the stated age of 14 shown today, may have been different in 1964. I have yet found that.

Berg&#039;s lawsuit is very specific. I cannot follow it all and have idea if this is anything.

Wish I could give you a better answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s that simple, although I do not understand it all either. I think this lawsuit boils down to was he really born in the U.S. and if not, what happened in Indonesia (perhaps a dual citizenship issue, not an issue here, but still today an issue in Indonesia).</p>
<p>The 14th Amendment was intended to protect our Black population. It said that the Government cannot rob a citizen of their citizenship, unless they want to give it up. Then, there&#8217;s this from <a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment14/01.html#1" rel="nofollow">http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment14/01.html#1</a>: </p>
<p>&#8220;In a subsequent decision, however, the Court held that persons who were statutorily naturalized by being born abroad of at least one American parent could not claim the protection of the first sentence of Sec. 1 and that Congress could therefore impose a reasonable and non-arbitrary condition subsequent upon their continued retention of United States citizenship.&#8221;</p>
<p>The first sentence of Sec. 1 mentioned above basically says that if you are born or naturalized, you cannot be denied your citizenship.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also an issue of how long the mother had lived in the US after a certain age, and before giving birth abroad, and perhaps the stated age of 14 shown today, may have been different in 1964. I have yet found that.</p>
<p>Berg&#8217;s lawsuit is very specific. I cannot follow it all and have idea if this is anything.</p>
<p>Wish I could give you a better answer.</p>
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		<title>By: T F Stern</title>
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		<dc:creator>T F Stern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd and interesting information; just what I&#039;d expect from the folks in DC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd and interesting information; just what I&#8217;d expect from the folks in DC.</p>
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		<title>By: carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, guys. this greatly concerns me too; but i read any child born to an american citizen (obama&#039;s mother) is an american. is that true?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, guys. this greatly concerns me too; but i read any child born to an american citizen (obama&#8217;s mother) is an american. is that true?</p>
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