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	<title>Comments on: NY Times source on Joe the plumber&#8217;s license doesn&#8217;t have a license</title>
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		<title>By: charlene</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain made a fool out of Joe. Joe may have asked a question but McCain made it all about him and the taxes. Now the world is looking at Joe,all McCain can say is sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain made a fool out of Joe. Joe may have asked a question but McCain made it all about him and the taxes. Now the world is looking at Joe,all McCain can say is sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Post of the Day - Don&#8217;t Question Obama &#171; Something should go here, maybe later.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Post of the Day - Don&#8217;t Question Obama &#171; Something should go here, maybe later.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Post of the Day - Don&#8217;t Question&#160;Obama    This is gobsmacking. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Post of the Day &#8211; Don&#8217;t Question&nbsp;Obama    This is gobsmacking. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent&#8230; &#187; Plumbing the Depths of Personal Destruction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent&#8230; &#187; Plumbing the Depths of Personal Destruction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stop the ACLU notes that the preeminent blog of the Left, Daily Kos, plastered Joe&#8217;s personal details for all to see, including home address.&#160; And there are others like Politico.com and the New York Times scrounging around for dirt.&#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stop the ACLU notes that the preeminent blog of the Left, Daily Kos, plastered Joe&#8217;s personal details for all to see, including home address.&#160; And there are others like Politico.com and the New York Times scrounging around for dirt.&#160; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: susan boyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan boyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain is the one who exploited this man and used him to perpetrate lies about Obama.  How do you see McCain coming out smelling like a rose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain is the one who exploited this man and used him to perpetrate lies about Obama.  How do you see McCain coming out smelling like a rose?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone checked to see of Joe is related to Charles Keating&#039;s son-in-law, Robert M. Wurzelbacher, Jr., who is also from Ohio and was also implicated in the S &amp; L scandal?  Seems mighty suspicious to me!!  How many Wurzelbachers are there in Ohio?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone checked to see of Joe is related to Charles Keating&#8217;s son-in-law, Robert M. Wurzelbacher, Jr., who is also from Ohio and was also implicated in the S &amp; L scandal?  Seems mighty suspicious to me!!  How many Wurzelbachers are there in Ohio?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Dowla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Dowla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe the plumber has become a national icon. Was it the only moto for his stopping Obama and tried to confront him with his tax policies.
It now appears that he has nothing to do with the plumbing profession except may be a plumbing would be business owner.
In either case seems to me he has had some contact with the Mccain&#039;s campaign or at least a &quot;campanile&quot;.
He definitely has a right to ask questions of the Sen. Obama&#039;s tax policy as a citizen/businessman but not as a False Prophet (of Israel: Bible-Hosea).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe the plumber has become a national icon. Was it the only moto for his stopping Obama and tried to confront him with his tax policies.<br />
It now appears that he has nothing to do with the plumbing profession except may be a plumbing would be business owner.<br />
In either case seems to me he has had some contact with the Mccain&#8217;s campaign or at least a &#8220;campanile&#8221;.<br />
He definitely has a right to ask questions of the Sen. Obama&#8217;s tax policy as a citizen/businessman but not as a False Prophet (of Israel: Bible-Hosea).</p>
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		<title>By: jethro</title>
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		<dc:creator>jethro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hope the next time some over paid stuffed shirt wants to interview on a street corner or at some convention somewhere you have the since to run like hell.these media folks make me want to hurl chunks.where do they get off snooping around into joes back ground and why do we need to know so much about him thats none of our dam business.there is no privacy now days and anything personal is not personal. im tired of being told by other people and the media how im supposed to live my life . im just like joe the plumber ,dont make much money, and my wife and i sweat bills every day.it would be nice to have some money left over after giving the state and federal government most of what ive worked for, at 52 years of age im tired of being water -boarded every day by a congress thats full of theives.why does the media not pry as hard into obamas and obidens past, i dont understand the whole love fest.and if the previous blogger loves china so much how about getting a plane ticket back to that opressive communist contry and stay there. dont tell me how to live and take your mercury laden products with you, if i was to relocate to another country i wouldnt  count on changing the way they do things.( in mexico for instance ,you have the right to keep your mouth shut).im tired of people putting down the u.s.a.,if its better somewhere else go there,please.we can make things better here with term limits for congress and other high positions (of the people by the people and for the people)what a great idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hope the next time some over paid stuffed shirt wants to interview on a street corner or at some convention somewhere you have the since to run like hell.these media folks make me want to hurl chunks.where do they get off snooping around into joes back ground and why do we need to know so much about him thats none of our dam business.there is no privacy now days and anything personal is not personal. im tired of being told by other people and the media how im supposed to live my life . im just like joe the plumber ,dont make much money, and my wife and i sweat bills every day.it would be nice to have some money left over after giving the state and federal government most of what ive worked for, at 52 years of age im tired of being water -boarded every day by a congress thats full of theives.why does the media not pry as hard into obamas and obidens past, i dont understand the whole love fest.and if the previous blogger loves china so much how about getting a plane ticket back to that opressive communist contry and stay there. dont tell me how to live and take your mercury laden products with you, if i was to relocate to another country i wouldnt  count on changing the way they do things.( in mexico for instance ,you have the right to keep your mouth shut).im tired of people putting down the u.s.a.,if its better somewhere else go there,please.we can make things better here with term limits for congress and other high positions (of the people by the people and for the people)what a great idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You raise some good points, but you leave out an awfully huge one: Samuel (Joe teh Plumber) didn&#039;t become famous because he asked a question, he didn&#039;t get checked out because he asked a question.  He got checked because John McCain or someone in his campaign had the bright idea to use him as a prop.  Senator McCain is the one that brought Joe to prominence, not Senator Obama.  

So while you are crying crocodile tears for how terribly poor Sam has been treated stop to realize who put him in that position.  Politics is war.  Sam decided to join the army and go to the front line.  General McCain decided to sacrifice the private to help win the war. Get real. 

The good news is the fact that if Sam is really interested in the facts, he now probably knows - as do the rest of us - the difference between making $250,000 a year and actually having a profit of $250,000 a year.  Now he knows that he would probably get a tax cut under Obama&#039;s plan if he owned that business.  But is he happy about that?  No.  He never really wanted an answer in the first place.  He just wanted to be clever and &quot;corner&quot; Obama.  His phrase, not mine or that horrible liberal media. 

I haven&#039;t read the comments you talked about.  There are plenty of despicable people on the left and the right, and as formerly mentioned, politics is war and warriors can get nasty.  I don&#039;t agree with making people a target.  But let&#039;s not cry too many tears for poor Sam and his hurt feelings.  

After all, Senator McCain must&#039;ve ridden to his rescue by now and saved the day, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You raise some good points, but you leave out an awfully huge one: Samuel (Joe teh Plumber) didn&#8217;t become famous because he asked a question, he didn&#8217;t get checked out because he asked a question.  He got checked because John McCain or someone in his campaign had the bright idea to use him as a prop.  Senator McCain is the one that brought Joe to prominence, not Senator Obama.  </p>
<p>So while you are crying crocodile tears for how terribly poor Sam has been treated stop to realize who put him in that position.  Politics is war.  Sam decided to join the army and go to the front line.  General McCain decided to sacrifice the private to help win the war. Get real. </p>
<p>The good news is the fact that if Sam is really interested in the facts, he now probably knows &#8211; as do the rest of us &#8211; the difference between making $250,000 a year and actually having a profit of $250,000 a year.  Now he knows that he would probably get a tax cut under Obama&#8217;s plan if he owned that business.  But is he happy about that?  No.  He never really wanted an answer in the first place.  He just wanted to be clever and &#8220;corner&#8221; Obama.  His phrase, not mine or that horrible liberal media. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read the comments you talked about.  There are plenty of despicable people on the left and the right, and as formerly mentioned, politics is war and warriors can get nasty.  I don&#8217;t agree with making people a target.  But let&#8217;s not cry too many tears for poor Sam and his hurt feelings.  </p>
<p>After all, Senator McCain must&#8217;ve ridden to his rescue by now and saved the day, right?</p>
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		<title>By: a. mcewen</title>
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		<dc:creator>a. mcewen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has nothing to do with &quot;attacks from the left&quot; or an attempt to destroy this guy. 

It&#039;s the nature of the American media to oversaturate an event or person. McCain didn&#039;t do this guy a favor when he TRIED to make him a campaign issue. I could have told you this was coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has nothing to do with &#8220;attacks from the left&#8221; or an attempt to destroy this guy. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the nature of the American media to oversaturate an event or person. McCain didn&#8217;t do this guy a favor when he TRIED to make him a campaign issue. I could have told you this was coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Ego Nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ego Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not because all he did was ask a question.
It&#039;s because John Sidney McCain used Joe the Plumber to make political points.
There&#039;d be no rush to find Joe the Plumber if McCain hadn&#039;t turned an anonymous Ohioan into a national caricature. You want to find the person who deleted Joe the Plumber&#039;s privacy, go find John McCain.

[And additionally, Joe the Plumber didn&#039;t ask a tough question. Rather, he was wanting someone to explain the 90-year-old American system of progressive income taxation. Obama didn&#039;t invent tax brackets -- and under the CURRENT SYSTEM, the BUSH SYSTEM, tax rates increase with income. All this happened because Joe the Plumber didn&#039;t pay attention in high school civics.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not because all he did was ask a question.<br />
It&#8217;s because John Sidney McCain used Joe the Plumber to make political points.<br />
There&#8217;d be no rush to find Joe the Plumber if McCain hadn&#8217;t turned an anonymous Ohioan into a national caricature. You want to find the person who deleted Joe the Plumber&#8217;s privacy, go find John McCain.</p>
<p>[And additionally, Joe the Plumber didn't ask a tough question. Rather, he was wanting someone to explain the 90-year-old American system of progressive income taxation. Obama didn't invent tax brackets -- and under the CURRENT SYSTEM, the BUSH SYSTEM, tax rates increase with income. All this happened because Joe the Plumber didn't pay attention in high school civics.]</p>
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