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	<title>Comments on: Joe Biden&#8217;s 14 Lies During the Debates</title>
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		<title>By: Dante</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/10/02/joe-bidens-14-lies-during-the-debates/comment-page-1/#comment-99317</link>
		<dc:creator>Dante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t a very good list, because several of these are not lies.

Just looking at the first few, off the top of my head without needing to look things up:

1) This is a lie.  Obama voted to let the Bush tax cuts expire, because they are terrible.  Obama will put new tax cuts in place that benefit the middle class more than the super rich, and McCain can NOT say the same!

2) This is subtle: Obama is saying that he would have his administration talk with those leaders, he is not saying that he personally would sit down with him.  One is necessary diplomacy, the other is validating a violent regime.  Get it?

4) Biden wasn&#039;t clear, but he did not mean &quot;exactly the same&quot; he meant what he said: both candidates voted for and against bills that were pro-funding troops.  Why is Obama going against a funding bill for a specific reason any different then when McCain does it?

7) McCain would tax employers for providing health care, which employees would most likely end up paying.  The tax credit isn&#039;t nearly enough to offset the cost of healthcare, and let&#039;s face it, McCains plan is really and truly awful for a large number of reasons, even without considering the tax.

I only looked at the first 7, and I am sure other people can cover the ones I missed.  This is simply not a very good list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t a very good list, because several of these are not lies.</p>
<p>Just looking at the first few, off the top of my head without needing to look things up:</p>
<p>1) This is a lie.  Obama voted to let the Bush tax cuts expire, because they are terrible.  Obama will put new tax cuts in place that benefit the middle class more than the super rich, and McCain can NOT say the same!</p>
<p>2) This is subtle: Obama is saying that he would have his administration talk with those leaders, he is not saying that he personally would sit down with him.  One is necessary diplomacy, the other is validating a violent regime.  Get it?</p>
<p>4) Biden wasn&#8217;t clear, but he did not mean &#8220;exactly the same&#8221; he meant what he said: both candidates voted for and against bills that were pro-funding troops.  Why is Obama going against a funding bill for a specific reason any different then when McCain does it?</p>
<p>7) McCain would tax employers for providing health care, which employees would most likely end up paying.  The tax credit isn&#8217;t nearly enough to offset the cost of healthcare, and let&#8217;s face it, McCains plan is really and truly awful for a large number of reasons, even without considering the tax.</p>
<p>I only looked at the first 7, and I am sure other people can cover the ones I missed.  This is simply not a very good list.</p>
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		<title>By: Lily</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/10/02/joe-bidens-14-lies-during-the-debates/comment-page-1/#comment-99311</link>
		<dc:creator>Lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding &quot;lie&quot; number 4, Biden specified in the debate that McCain voted against troop funding that had a timeline.  I remember him saying that a couple of times so I am not sure how he lied on that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding &#8220;lie&#8221; number 4, Biden specified in the debate that McCain voted against troop funding that had a timeline.  I remember him saying that a couple of times so I am not sure how he lied on that point.</p>
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		<title>By: dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pertaining to the health care issue.  Biden indicated that the average health care coverage is currently valued at $12,000.  McCain`s proposal will cut out 20,000,000 Americans from a health plan and give them a $5,000 tax credit to find comparable coverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pertaining to the health care issue.  Biden indicated that the average health care coverage is currently valued at $12,000.  McCain`s proposal will cut out 20,000,000 Americans from a health plan and give them a $5,000 tax credit to find comparable coverage.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Palin: "Nice to meet you. Can I call you Joe?" Then, Sarah ripped Joe's tentacles off.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Palin: "Nice to meet you. Can I call you Joe?" Then, Sarah ripped Joe's tentacles off.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Biden was off-balance from the very beginning. Joe Biden lied 14 times, held his head down and visibly sighed, wore too much makeup, and frankly looked like a tooth-y [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Biden was off-balance from the very beginning. Joe Biden lied 14 times, held his head down and visibly sighed, wore too much makeup, and frankly looked like a tooth-y [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Forget Gaffes, Flat-out Lies &#171; Truth and Reason</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/10/02/joe-bidens-14-lies-during-the-debates/comment-page-1/#comment-99232</link>
		<dc:creator>Forget Gaffes, Flat-out Lies &#171; Truth and Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More on the lies here and here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] More on the lies here and here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, maybe it&#039;s just me, but I thought the point of a &quot;debate&quot; was to explain, defend, and/or support your own position on an issue... where YOU stand... not nitpick and moan about your opponent&#039;s position.  Quite a few of these points are just attacks on McCain&#039;s positions, not defending or supporting Obama/Biden&#039;s positions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, maybe it&#8217;s just me, but I thought the point of a &#8220;debate&#8221; was to explain, defend, and/or support your own position on an issue&#8230; where YOU stand&#8230; not nitpick and moan about your opponent&#8217;s position.  Quite a few of these points are just attacks on McCain&#8217;s positions, not defending or supporting Obama/Biden&#8217;s positions.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I added this post to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jeremiahfilms.com/released/controversy/Biden.html#1002&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Biden Blogscan&lt;/a&gt; which contains a number of Biden issues</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I added this post to <a href="http://www.jeremiahfilms.com/released/controversy/Biden.html#1002" rel="nofollow">Biden Blogscan</a> which contains a number of Biden issues</p>
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