Comments on: Trig Palin is a burden to society and should have been aborted.

By: Lawrence

Lawrence — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:52:44 +0000

Nick Proveno isn’t a liberal. You’d know this if you’d done even the most basic research. He’s a constitutionalist and founder of “The Center of the Advancement of Capitalism.”
According to his bio, “Via his work at the center,Provenzo has established and led advocacy programs in defense of victims of the governmental violation of individual rights in areas including antitrust, fundamental tax reform, property rights, environmental legislation, genetic research, and the Elián Gonzalez immigration case.” Not at all liberal. Sounds like a libertarian, really.

You guys really should look things up before you post things.

http://www.capmag.com/author.asp?name=30

By: Paul Hsieh

Paul Hsieh — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:51:03 +0000

First, Nick Provenzo has responded to the many misrepresentations of his views in a followup post at:

http://ruleofreason.blogspot.com/2008/09/fundamental-right-to-abortion.htm

Second, I’m going to speak up to support Nick Provenzo’s *moral* defense of the 90% of women who have learned that their fetus has DS and who eventually chose to abort.

If a woman takes a serious look at the consequences for her life of having an abortion vs. raising that child, and she decides that an abortion would best foster her happiness in the full context of her life, then that is her legal right. And more importantly, she would also be making the *morally* right choice for herself.

Of course, if a woman chooses to have the DS child, that is her right and I genuinely hope that things work out as well as possible for the child and the family.

But to uphold the 10% women who choose to have the DS child as automatically morally superior to the 90% who choose to abort is wrong.

Those women who have made the difficult decision to abort do not deserve to be tarred with the label “murderer” for choosing their own happiness. And anyone who would attempt to saddle those women with an unearned guilt should be ashamed of themselves.

By: Angie

Angie — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:40:46 +0000

That’s just my point, though. Lugnuts like this are the ones forcing people like my husband and my children – and so many others – into the margins, labeling them as disabled and then forcing them to BE disabled, turning a blind eye while things like access to jobs that would allow them to be productive are denied to them, forcing far too many to have to accept that government check in order to survive. Why? Fear of the unknown, or just plain stupidity? Are people like this guy so ignorant they can’t see that learning to communicate with the Deaf or work around handicaps would open up the workplace for them, instead of labeling them “retards” (which Deaf does NOT equate to “retarded”) and telling them they are a burden on society… and MAYBEJUSTMAYBE bridging the gap between our worlds? Opening up society to everyone so we can function as a whole can only benefit the whole…..

Ah forget it, they probably ARE just too stupid to get it. And what’s amazing, I always thought “liberal” and “Democratic” were supposed to be words to describe the more “accepting” party??? They’re busy fighting for black rights, and women’s rights, and gay rights, even Muslim rights, so I guess they just don’t have time for fighting for “disabled” rights. Easier to stuff someone in a pigeonhole and forget about them until they become useful enough to be used. As soon as they can figure out a way to manipulate the situation to their favor though, you can guarantee they’ll start parading around the “less desirable” element of our society – those with “disabilities.”

Thank God I saw the light, and turned my back on that party years ago. I like my little niche, my pigeonhole I’ve been stuffed in, full of Republican and Independent friends of every stripe who practice far more tolerance than some of these left-wing wing-nuts.

I’ve got much stronger words to say, but I’ll keep them to myself.

By: Penny Green

Penny Green — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:46:55 +0000

Provenzo writes “Because a person afflicted with Down syndrome is only capable of being marginally productive (if at all) and requires constant care and supervision, unless a parent enjoys the wealth to provide for the lifetime of assistance that their child will require, they are essentially stranding the cost of their child’s life upon others.”

Somebody introduce this ignorant man to Karen Gaffney please (www.karengaffneyfoundation.com), I’d like her to tell him about her life. I’ve had the priviledge of meeting Karen on several occasions, have nothing but admiration for her and all she has achieved in life and is striving for for people with disabilities.

I would call her a friend – now wouldn’t that choke him, thinking of someone with DS in that way.

By: SpideyTerry

SpideyTerry — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:15:48 +0000

“Trig Palin is a burden to society and should have been aborted.

So says columnist Nicholas Provenzo,”

Oh, there certainly is a burden to society lurking about, but it ain’t the cute little baby – it’s the disgusting columnist.

By: wanderer

wanderer — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:55:54 +0000

Our enlightened liberals and progressives have become the century’s prototype of dictatorial arrogance, ignorance, bias, and hatefulness.
Today’s liberals and progressives believe they are superior to and smarter than we who think differently and therefore are entitled to rule over we lesser orders who believe differently and fail to recognize the lefts’ erudition, genius and wisdom and therefore should be eliminated, be we “normal or disabled.
Today’s left, more than a little, bring to mind those who delivered the world the death camps, gulags, and killing fields of the twentieth resemble. Should our present day left ever get their finger on the power button in our society get ready for a replay of Auschwitz, Magadan, and Kolyma and it will be we conservatives who the left have been demonizing as hateful, racist, and evil for the last century that will be exterminated. The American amoral, moral relativism infected left, has become so deranged that they are capable of horrors that will make those of the SS, Gestapo, and NKVD appear generous and kind-hearted.
More than a few of the stalinism infected “progressives” with whom I have crossed ideological swords finished an exchange by cursing me and telling me that people who thought like me should be killed.

By: Christina

Christina — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:51:41 +0000

The bigotry against people with developmental disabilities is appalling.

Bigoted people act as if having a developmental disability means you have nothing to offer the world. They’re wrong.

Some of the most amazing people I’ve ever met have lived the bulk of their lives in a total institution, a place where I had the privilege of working. Society lost more by putting them there than they themselves lost by being there.

But you can’t get a bigot to see that.

By: Angie

Angie — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:36:41 +0000

There does not even need to be a “disability” or a “deformity” unless someone else labels it as such. My husband is Deaf, hereditary for many generations in his family. Knowingly and willingly I chose to have children with him, understanding that there was a 50% chance that my child(ren) would be deaf as well. We have a daughter and a son, both born with sensorineural hearing loss. “I’m so sorry,” people say. “Can they fix that?” people ask.

Why is it “broken” and needing to be “fixed”? We communicate very effectively through ASL. We don’t NEED to be fixed, and we certainly don’t need pity. It’s people WITHOUT the “disability” who label it as such, not the ones who “suffer” from it, and then go on to ensure that it REMAINS a disability.

So I guess by this dude’s twisted logic, my children should have never been born? Perhaps I should be locked away for choosing to “breed” with someone knowing that my children will likely be “disabled” as well?

This makes me SICK.