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	<title>Comments on: Abortion survivor Gianna Jessen schools Obama on abortion</title>
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	<description>Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer</description>
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		<title>By: The Sadim Touch</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/09/16/abortion-survivor-gianna-jessen-schools-obama-on-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-97970</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sadim Touch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Still more on Gianna&#160;Jessen...&lt;/strong&gt;

Previous posts on Gianna Jessen&#8230;
More on Gianna Jessen…
Abortion Survivor Gianna Jessen speaks out against Obama
An extended page bio of Gianna Jessen&#8217;s life - Gianna Jessen&#8217;s Story
The biography of Gianna Jessen is available at Ama.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Still more on Gianna&nbsp;Jessen&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Previous posts on Gianna Jessen&#8230;<br />
More on Gianna Jessen…<br />
Abortion Survivor Gianna Jessen speaks out against Obama<br />
An extended page bio of Gianna Jessen&#8217;s life &#8211; Gianna Jessen&#8217;s Story<br />
The biography of Gianna Jessen is available at Ama&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t he lucky that Roe vs Wade wasn&#039;t law at the time of his own out-of-wedlock conception. Would his mother have considered terminating the life of her &quot;clump of cells&quot; had she been able to just walk into an abortion clinic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t he lucky that Roe vs Wade wasn&#8217;t law at the time of his own out-of-wedlock conception. Would his mother have considered terminating the life of her &#8220;clump of cells&#8221; had she been able to just walk into an abortion clinic?</p>
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		<title>By: AirborneVet</title>
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		<dc:creator>AirborneVet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a reproductive choice for you- DON&#039;T HAVE SEX!!

This stuff just tears me apart. I have a 2 year old son. He was my second pregnancy, but is my only child. I had a miscarriage the first time. It took years to get pregnant and my husband and I thought maybe we couldn&#039;t have children. Due to my medical history, my doctor wanted to do an ultra sound at 12 weeks. This is the end of the first trimester. What I saw on that monitor was not a &quot;fetus&quot; or &quot;clump of cells&quot;. It was a baby with arms, legs, torso and a head. He was moving around- kicking and sucking his thumb. Until that point, I had always been somewhat ambiguous about abortion. I just didn&#039;t really care. It was the image on that monitor that made me realize abortion is clearly, without a doubt, murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a reproductive choice for you- DON&#8217;T HAVE SEX!!</p>
<p>This stuff just tears me apart. I have a 2 year old son. He was my second pregnancy, but is my only child. I had a miscarriage the first time. It took years to get pregnant and my husband and I thought maybe we couldn&#8217;t have children. Due to my medical history, my doctor wanted to do an ultra sound at 12 weeks. This is the end of the first trimester. What I saw on that monitor was not a &#8220;fetus&#8221; or &#8220;clump of cells&#8221;. It was a baby with arms, legs, torso and a head. He was moving around- kicking and sucking his thumb. Until that point, I had always been somewhat ambiguous about abortion. I just didn&#8217;t really care. It was the image on that monitor that made me realize abortion is clearly, without a doubt, murder.</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s gotta be as scary for Barak Obama as it was for Pat Schroeder: a fetus with attitude.

But Gianna was lucky. A nurse recognized her as a baby, not just a fetus ex-utero, and sent her to the NICU.

It is in the case of &lt;a href=&quot;http://realchoice.0catch.com/library/weekly/aa110307a.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ximenia Renearts&lt;/a&gt; that we more clearly see Obama&#039;s attitude in action. Ximenia&#039;s mother underwent an abortion, thought her fetus was dead, then showed up at a hospital in pain. The staff at the hospital elected to respect her choice, to refrain from further burdening her. They stuck the fetus in a bedpan. They left the fetus, cold and alone, in a closet. It wasn&#039;t until another hospital employee mistook the fetus for a baby that care was sought.

Ximenia&#039;s adoptive parents sued on her behalf, arguing that since she&#039;d been born alive, she was a baby and entitled to care.

BC Minister of Health, Michelle Stewart, was dismissive of the issue of infants born live during abortions, commenting, &quot;As you know, this Ministry is very much in favor of giving women choices about their reproductive health.&quot; British Columbia&#039;s Chief Coroner Larry Campbell included a letter in a report on such live births, and dismissed them as to be expected in abortion and therefore outside the purview of BC coroners, who only get involved if a death is &quot;unexpected&quot;.

This is the stand Obama took. That providing care for babies like Ximenia was too much of a burden on the mother&#039;s choice.

If you&#039;re okay with that -- if you think that the wrongdoing was by the people who provided Ximenia with care, not by the ones who left her in a bedpan to die -- then by all means, vote for Barak Obama.

As for Ximenia herself, she is too profoundly disabled to speak out. About anything. Which is lucky for Obama. One less fetus with attitude to challenge his assertion that the proper thing to do with them is stick them in a closet and wait for them to die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s gotta be as scary for Barak Obama as it was for Pat Schroeder: a fetus with attitude.</p>
<p>But Gianna was lucky. A nurse recognized her as a baby, not just a fetus ex-utero, and sent her to the NICU.</p>
<p>It is in the case of <a href="http://realchoice.0catch.com/library/weekly/aa110307a.htm" rel="nofollow">Ximenia Renearts</a> that we more clearly see Obama&#8217;s attitude in action. Ximenia&#8217;s mother underwent an abortion, thought her fetus was dead, then showed up at a hospital in pain. The staff at the hospital elected to respect her choice, to refrain from further burdening her. They stuck the fetus in a bedpan. They left the fetus, cold and alone, in a closet. It wasn&#8217;t until another hospital employee mistook the fetus for a baby that care was sought.</p>
<p>Ximenia&#8217;s adoptive parents sued on her behalf, arguing that since she&#8217;d been born alive, she was a baby and entitled to care.</p>
<p>BC Minister of Health, Michelle Stewart, was dismissive of the issue of infants born live during abortions, commenting, &#8220;As you know, this Ministry is very much in favor of giving women choices about their reproductive health.&#8221; British Columbia&#8217;s Chief Coroner Larry Campbell included a letter in a report on such live births, and dismissed them as to be expected in abortion and therefore outside the purview of BC coroners, who only get involved if a death is &#8220;unexpected&#8221;.</p>
<p>This is the stand Obama took. That providing care for babies like Ximenia was too much of a burden on the mother&#8217;s choice.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re okay with that &#8212; if you think that the wrongdoing was by the people who provided Ximenia with care, not by the ones who left her in a bedpan to die &#8212; then by all means, vote for Barak Obama.</p>
<p>As for Ximenia herself, she is too profoundly disabled to speak out. About anything. Which is lucky for Obama. One less fetus with attitude to challenge his assertion that the proper thing to do with them is stick them in a closet and wait for them to die.</p>
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