Michelle Malkin and Sean Hannity blamed for shooting of Bill Gwatney; UPDATE: Gwatney has died of his injuries
UPDATE: Raw footage from the scene:
UPDATE: Bill Gwatney has died from his injuries.. My heart goes out to his family, who must be sick with grief over this senseless tragedy.
Bill Gwatney, chairman of the Arkansas Democratic Party, was shot today and is in critical condition. This was a horrible, terrible, cowardly attack and I hope whoever did it finds justice swiftly.
Who’s guilty? Well, if you listen to the lefties, it’s apparently conservatives. Michelle Malkin got this lovely e-mail:
Greg Cancilla artvandelay3@verizon.net
to writemalkin@gmail.com
date Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:42 PM
subject Once again
mailed-by verizon.netOnce again the hate you and folks like Hannity spew has caused another right wing nut to resort to violence. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26181389/ What you do is nothing less than starting a riot and you should be held accountable. You should be in jail. Your hate turns people to murder.
And of course, the DUmmies are up in arms:
Tandalayo_Scheisskopf: There will be more. That said, it is a sad commentary that such brutal events may serve to break up the complacency and magical thinking in our own ranks.
I repeat: There will be more of these horrible events between now and November and if we win, after as well.
bluestateguy: These talk radio hosts need to be stopped. They are pushing fragile people over the edge with their hateful bile.
tridim: RW hate radio has been telling their listeners to take out Dems for years. You really don’t think that has an effect?
Blue_Tires: Liddy and plenty others during the Clinton/Reno years[.] of course, they never say “go out and kill dems” directly, but there is a phone book’s worth of loaded codewords, subtext, and calls for action that can only be interpreted one way
maxrandb: Right-wing hate gives the guy a match, a can of gasoline, and for 24/7/365 a year tells him “that building over there is the root of all evil”
Then, when the guy burns the building to the ground, they say; “I have no idea why a person would do such a thing”.
Remember, some of the first folks dealt with at Nuremberg were the propagandist.
dbonds: Right Wing Terrorist in the US have been showing their ugly heads lately. Just need eyes to see it.
kgfnally: Isn’t that exactly how it started in Rwanda, though? Hate radio?
And didn’t that guy that shot up the church recently have books by these people in his car?
Yeah, I’d say it is time, and past time, to hold the hatemongers on talk radio accountable.
AllieB: Julius Streicher (sp?) was a Nazi propagandist tried and executed after WWII. We have in the past held hatemongers accountable, and it’s time that we did it in this country.
indenturedebtor: Theres a big difference between advocating an opposite view – like “We need to cut back on green house gasses or we’re all buggered.” and advocating a course of action that results in an SUV dealership being burned. The hatemonger facists are directly advocating murder, and selling it as a patriotic duty.
Um, how is that different again from the nazi and rwanda propaganda? Please do tell. Looks about the same to me.
zonmoy: Differences with the democrats is that the democrats call for giving the republicans fair trials before executing them. republicans call for assasinating democrats and everybody else the dont like. If they give a trial they create a kangaroo court to try them and make sure they get convicted.
LiberalEsto: White man in 40s, truck[.] Reminds me of the guy that shot up the Unitarian Church in Knoxville a few weeks ago.
Is this a conspiracy?
librechick: …haven’t we all been expecting this since the church shooting? or, since Limbaugh decided to tell his people to kill us?
DAMN!
TrogL: then you need to start listening to AM radio[.] God knows why, one of the local stations up here carries Rush Limbaugh in all his glory. Somebody in my workplace had it on all day until I filed a sexual harassment complaint (cause of all the homophobic crap) and had it shut down. In the meantime I had to listen to Rush babble away. In his “joking” way, he often recommends violence against all sorts of people, especially liberals and members of the Democratic party.
peace13: I think about it every Tuesday when I stand at the peace vigil. When people bring little children to stand with us I am always on the lookout. If one of Rush’s nut cases comes a calling I want to be able to shield the little guys. Only in america can entertainers encourage carnage and get paid for it.
I could keep going, but you can only wade through sewage for so long before you get sick of the stench. DailyKos had similar reactions.
There aren’t many details yet, but the rumor is apparently that the shooter worked at Gwatney Chevrolet and was laid off.
Moments before the Democratic headquarters shooting, a man with a gun had threatened an employee at that Arkansas State Baptist Convention headquarters seven blocks east.
Dan Jordan, the denomination’s business manager, said a man pointed a gun at the convention’s business manager but he didn’t know if it was the same suspect. Jordan said that, when the man pointed the gun at the manager, the manager asked him what was wrong. The man said “I lost my job,” according to Jordan.
But I guess a sensible motive is just not as much fun for the crazy lefties as feeding into their paranoid delusions. The gunman is dead, so I guess we can never know for sure what his motives were. But that doesn’t keep the moonbats from getting all excited about this. This is probably the best news story the DUmmies have come across all month. They love this stuff! They hope and pray for tragedies like this to happen, because in the rare occasions that they do, they get to wallow in their paranoia, play victim, and feel persecuted (just look at the DUmmie talking about his peace vigil). All they need is the information that it was a white guy who drove a pick-up truck, and BOOM!, it’s a right-wing nutjob who loves Limbaugh, Hannity, and Michelle and is just carrying out orders from his idols.
These wackjobs don’t care one tiny iota that a family has just lost a father and a husband. They aren’t expressing sympathy, sadness, grief, or anything besides pure hatred for those who have the guts to express points of view that they don’t like. They aren’t wishing the family well during this difficult time or hoping for a speedy recovery for Gwatney. Oh, no. They’re too busy getting their panties in a wad entertaining their delusions to bother feeling sympathy or horror over this tragedy.
And yet they say we’re the ones who intimidate people, who are trying to stifle free speech. Well, it isn’t right wingers sending out intimidation letters to those who choose to donate money to Democrats. It isn’t right wingers blaming the opposition every time some kind of tragedy befalls someone on our side. It isn’t right wingers trying to silence liberals and Democrats. It isn’t right wingers accusing liberals and Democrats of murder just for expressing opinions that we don’t like. And it isn’t right wingers gloating and celebrating every time a prominent Democrat or liberal dies or becomes sick. No, these are all trademarks of today’s liberals, and it’s disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. When concern for your own takes a backseat to hate for the other, it’s time to admit you have a serious problem. ASAP.
For what it’s worth, I think this is an absolutely terrible tragedy, and my thoughts and prayers go out to Mr. Gwatney’s family and friends during this difficult time. And as for Mr. Gwatney himself, I hope he heals quickly and thoroughly and is able to bounce back right away.
Hat Tip: Michelle Malkin
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“. Well, it isn’t right wingers sending out intimidation letters to those who choose to donate money to Democrats. It isn’t right wingers blaming the opposition every time some kind of tragedy befalls someone on our side. It isn’t right wingers trying to silence liberals and Democrats. It isn’t right wingers accusing liberals and Democrats of murder just for expressing opinions that we don’t like. And it isn’t right wingers gloating and celebrating every time a prominent Democrat or liberal dies or becomes sick.”
Except it IS, you are being willfully ignorant, even in Malkins thread there are those gloating that he should have shot more.
What an idiotic post, as if you are totally without any of those traits. Extreme partisans are responsible on both sides and we could sit here and cite comments and posts till we’re blue in the face back and forth, and posts like yours that say only one side are responsible are RETARDED.
Period.
It didn’t take long for the hate speech, I’m amazed at what you collected so quickly though.
This was written minutes after the fact and what I suspected.
Bill Gwatney, Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Shot; Should We Live in Fear?
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/952907/bill_gwatney_arkansas_democratic_party.html
the person who shot him was an employee who had been terminated earlier in the day. It has NOTHING to do with politics or Sean Hannity. Know before you post people.
angryflower (cute name and lovingly peaceful to boot)
I also read the post you criticized as being “one-sided.” It seemed to me the majority of the article was quotes from those he disagreed with–but I guess you can only see your point of view.
Personally, I, as well as the person you criticize did, got sick of all the one-sided hatred that was clearly the opposite opinion to the writer’s own. Quoting somebody else’s opinion (especially an opinion of someone with whom you disagree) is hardly to be considered “One sided.”
I think the writer you criticize was right–the left cannot stand anyone who disagrees with them. The Left seems just like those great heroes of theirs: Stalin Pol Pot and the red Chinese — even if millions disagree, no problem just exterminate them.
LINDA VESTER (host): You say you’d rather not talk to liberals at all?
ANN COULTER: I think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days.
“This is the moment to say that there are things in life worth fighting and dying for and one of ‘em is making sure Nancy Pelosi doesn’t become the speaker.”
- Sean Hannity
“Oh, you’re one of the sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How’s that? Why don’t you see if you can sue me, you pig? You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage? You’ve got nothing to do today? Go eat a sausage and choke on it.”
- Michael Savage
Xavier obviously misses the point entirely. By the way, we don’t approve of what Ann Coulter said there even though anyone with a brain should know it a poor attempt at humor, and not actual threat.
The point is that no one knows anything about the motive of this guy. To cast blame for this on commentators is just plain wrong. For all we know the killer could be Democrat. All these libtards will be eating their words if that turns out to be the case.
I don’t care too much for Savage either.
@Kim,
If this has nothing to do with politics, why did this guy push his way into the office of the head of the democratic party in Arkansas to find someone to kill?
Where did you get the information that the shooter was a former employee? Fox News? He wasn’t.
Lieutenant Hastings said the motive for
the shooting was unclear.
“That’s something that we’ll be looking
into. Right now we don’t have an answer
for you on that,” he said, adding that the
suspect was not a former Gwatney employee.
Is there a list somewhere of all of the killings perpetrated by so called liberals? Please let us all know where we can find such a list. All those gun toting democrats? What a freaking joke!
Go find me some comments made by democrats or the liberal press to rile us up into a frenzy. Where are our hateful comments? We democrats only wish it were so. Instead for eight years our politicians and so called liberal press let you walk all over this great nation and run it into the ground. And still you find ways to blame us for everything.
Xavier, the individual that shot Bill Gwatney was a former employee.
I guess you forgot all about the movie that was made by your liberal friends about the assassination of President Bush (ò¿ó)
sounds like politics to me:
he was pissed at Bill Gwatney for firing him from his car dealership this morning.
I totally agree that many on the left have jumped to conclusions but can you blame them for their paranoia:
“In the 10 years since the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing killed 168 people, roughly 60 right-wing terrorist plots have been uncovered in the United States”
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/050712/12natsec.htm
Or of course, there’s this one:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7486021/
And quotes like this don’t help much either:
“I’ll tell you who should be tortured and killed at Guantanamo: every filthy Democrat in the U.S. Congress.” – Sean Hannity
So you can scrounge up tons of dumb commentors on liberal sites saying horrible stuff and totally ignoring the tragedy in pursuit of their own agenda – but you can also read tons of heartfelt condolences tot he family and loved ones, outrage over the senselessness of it and many more words of respect.
You blame liberals for playing the victim and yet you yourself are doing exactly that right now. Try thinking a bit deeper about your words if you want to be taken seriously by anyone other than those that already agree with your biases.
Also, it seems he was not a former employee of the victim. The report is that there was no known relationship between the killer and the victim.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/sns-ap-democratic-party-shooting,0,270710.story
Just wanted to clear that up since it seems the rumor mill is buzzing.
Geoff, do you really agree about these liberals jumping off the deep end or was that just part of your setting up a straw man. The fact is that no one here called for anyone to kill anybody, and neither did Michelle Malkin or Sean Hannity. We just pointed out how stupid the liberals blaming them are. We didn’t blame them for any murders…they blame our commentators. Two seperate issues here. Us pointing out how stupid liberals are, and liberals pointing out how stupid liberals are.
Yup Kim, Thos lyers at the libarel media and the libarel Arkasaw Police Burow say “Hastings said police have tentatively identified the suspect but did not name him. Hastings said the suspect was not an employee of Gwatney’s auto dealerships, but said that he is from Arkansas.” But weall now the real truth.
Praise Jesus
Jay,
I do feel that many liberals are jumping off the deep end. In fact, even at DailyKos there is this tidbit:
“The shooter, later killed by police (or himself) was Tim Johnson, 51, of Searcy, Arkansas, who was recently laid off from his job in the body shop of one of the Gwatney dealerships.”
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/13/172243/299
My issue was with the blatant mixing of all liberals into one group to be hated. It’s the same error of reasoning that the liberal commentors this post cries about have made in lumping all conservatives together.
You should be smart enough to know there are idiot commentors on the left and right. if you want to see some cruel and conspiratorial comments from the conservative side just hop on over to Free Republic where commentors are blaming the Clintons, Obama, the liberal media and mocking the victim himself.
Prime example: “The shot guy was a Rat afterall.” (Referring to the fact the victim was a Democrat)
I didn’t say you said to kill anyone, I said (and linked to a related story) that there are a lot of right-wing groups and conservatives who have been busted for killing or trying to kill people which is why liberals are often paranoid about it.
Censorship is wrong no matter who advocates it. That is why I say that those calling for the censorship of conservative radio and broadcasters is crazy. Doesn’t mean that demonizing all liberals won’t have an effect. Those that believe one’s words have a positive effect always seem to get defensive when someone points out their words may have a negative effect as well.
Seems to me a person who could actually think critically and plan for the future who was worried that some crazed wacko may kill them for their political beliefs would be a person who would be smart enough to protect themselves.
In other words if the democrats are so scared of gun toting, bible thumping rednecked right wingers they’d be smart to start carrying.
Alas this highlights the utter stupidity of the left and the hollowness of their argument that government should protect us. It is our own job to proetct ourselves.
So…the people screaming that the right wingers are on a rampage and wanting to kill off the lefties are also the kind of people you read about in the paper because they waited for help and became victims.
At the end of the day whether teh shooting was motivated by political ideals or not (and it seems to have been shown as not) the point is the lefties who march and chase a socialist society are sitting duck when the right does get riled up.
Besides, if this was politically motivated there are much more high value targets out there than Gwatney.
This is not the fault of Malkin, Hannity or any other right wing talk show host. This is the fault of the left for chasing our economy down the drain and causing this man to lose his job, so place the blame where i rightfully lies, with Reid and Pelosi.
The motive remains unknown. The man was not a former employee as some in the comments claim. Good job combing the internet for a few people jumping to conclusions then generalizing about all liberals.
The fact of the matter is that Limbaugh/Hannity/Coulter and the like use very hateful rhetoric. Liberals are enemies to them, not fellow citizens with whom they disagree on policy. The fact that Coulter thinks bludgeoning liberals to death is funny says it all. That that was “an attempt at humor” is more telling than it is excusatory. Not knowing the motive of this attack, it is true that the terrorist attack on that UU church was motivated by the kind of thinking promoted by the radio hate jocks and their online ilk.
Would I call for government censorship? No. However, there is no reason that we cannot condemn the incitements to terrorism in clear terms, whether or not they motivated this particular attack.
Its really amazing the hate that spews out of those sites. But its in line with the general philosophy of assigning blame to anyone other than the perpetrator.
My heart goes out to the family of Gwatney.
News flash someones blog as Daily KOS does not constitute a legitimate news source.
This guy did not work for the victim.
Kill liberals has become a too often anthem from some members of the right, including those listed and Ted Nugent and it does not make a joke when you consider it actually happens. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25872864/
The right if it wants respect and a future needs to clean it’s own house and find the road back to respectability.
Reagan wouldn’t have any part of this thuggery.
First of all, I do agree with the basic idea that the people jumping to conclusions about the shooter’s motivation are being idiots. Remember how everyone assumed Muslims blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City?
As for the idiotic article above, though:
1) As of 7:09 PDT, there is NOTHING on any web-wide news site about the shooter having worked at Gwatney Chevrolet, and the link provided in the article to the “rumor” is to a blank news article. Posting inflammatory rumors, even if you acknowledge they are rumors, and then using that to sneer at others is a classic RW tactic.
2) The article then goes on to say that a “sensible motive” (being laid off/fired) is not enough fun for lefties. So you are saying that it is sensible for someone who loses their job to jump in their truck, drive across town, and kill the owner of the business. That says an awful lot about RW moral values now, doesn’t it?
I was within ten minutes of this at the Baptist Building in Little Rock today. I believe in God and he spared me having to face this gunman.The end times are coming, we need to know Christ, we need to know him very well.
Sign me
A Christian woman, who says, Just because a person is a churchgoer,,doesnt mean he or she knows Christ. We need to know Christ,or this will happen more and more.
S. K from Second Baptist Russellvilee, ARkansas
That person who looks out for the kids at the peace rally has nothing to worry about. Kids are only in danger around libs when they are still in the womb.
As for the list of murders by libs, they are the 40 million nameless babies that were murdered in the womb.
You don’t need a gun to commit genocide.
Daily Kos and Air America spew vial garbage day after day after day.
Savage is a nut and not embraced by the Right.
Hannity is a class act and honorable man.
Anyone with an ounce of brains can see liberals are angry sick freaks.
For all the conservative bluster I’m reading here, just answer me one thing…. the anthrax attacks, the UU shooting, today’s murder…. can you name me one instance where a right wing conservative has been the target the last eight years? C’mon… name one.
It’s time for people talking hate to take responsibility for inciting other people to riot. They have been yelling ‘fire’ in the theatre of public opinion for too long.
Big dog, only 1 Illinois Senator stood and spoke out against a bill that would require medical care for a baby born during an attempted late term abortion. Only one.
Barry H. Obama. Read it, learn it, live it.
Obama is a hack. He is a nobody. He, his wife, his pastor and his church have huge issues vis a vis RACE.
Not only does Barry H. Obama NOT transcend race, but his self-proclaimed race is all he has to hang his hat on.
Libtards in America are unhinged. We will not be silenced.
Let me ask you something. If a baby survives a late term abortion attempt, doesn’t that logically PROVE, that it was a baby that they were trying to KILL?
I mean as the abortion was being attempted it was either a BABY or NOT.
Apparently it’s ARRIVAL proves it was indeed a baby.
Libs don’t care, because libs are completely immoral.
Prove me wrong libs.
A liberal believes that nobody should be responsible for their own crimes. They don’t like to accept responsibility. Look at their leaders. Bill Clinton perjured himself, but that was because the “evil Republicans” forced him to it. Gore lost the election in 2000, but that wasn’t his fault. Bush “stole” the election. Nancy Pelosi will not allow a vote on drilling, but it’s not her fault. It’s the evil Republicans blocking her “common(non)sense plan”.
So, this is not a new idea for Democrats. A man is never responsible for killing someone. It’s someone else’s fault. And, everything is either Bush’s fault or a Republican’s fault.
James, we have 8000 plus black on black murders every year in America. It’s whiteys fault.
Meanwhile we have 4000 deaths in 6 years in Iraq, and libs shyte their pants.
Most libs are so delusional, that they believe they are moral and you are not.
Their leaders (generally) know better.
Pelosi and Reid are utterly clueless, irresponsible and so far left that they cannot smell their own stench.
That’s a good point Amanda. The left only murders babies in the womb. If you aren’t in the womb the left is physically no danger to anyone by themselves.
I guess you could say liberals have an alligator mouth and a canary a**. They sure talk big and make lots of threats in comments and take great joy when some one on the right is dead or dying. As I said, alligator mouth, canary a**.
Amanda, usually in this country, it’s libs killing libs. Almost always. And you freaks cry a river when a rapist murderer gets lethal injection.
Let me ask you something you effing dimwit.
Why is Tim McVeigh dead.
and.
Why is Bill Ayers alive and a friend of Obama, gainfully employed by a University living in a multi-million dollar home?
I’ll wait.
Kender, you are wrong. Almost ALL of America’s murders occur in VERY VERY VERY BLUE area’s. I think you get my drift.
Libs believe that killing their babies is a Constitutional Right. They actually had 100,000 women march on the Brooklyn bridge during the GOP convention 4 years ago, to assert their right to CHOOSE to kill their baby. Obama is one step ahead of them. He and Russ Feingold D-WI believe killing a live born child is between a woman and her abortionist.
Conway Connection
FOX16 has confirmed Johnson worked at the Target in Conway up until Wednesday morning when his boss fired him. It was that firing that apparently lead to the sad shooting episode.
Around 6AM Wednesday morning, employees at Target in Conway noticed graffiti on the wall. An employee we spoke with, who didn’t want to be identified on camera, says that’s when managers told whoever did it to come clean.
Moments later, our source tells us, an employee named Timothy Johnson signed his name next to it the graffiti followed by a rude comment about the store. That’s when Johnson was given his walking papers.
“After he left we all got called to the front of the store and were told to be careful on your way out,” Target employee said. “After asking Johnson to leave, Target officials became concerned with his behavior. They called police.”
Conway police showed up just before 8 am. But it was too late. Johnson had already left.
It would be just hours later that police say Johnson shot Arkansas Democratic Party chair Bill Gwatney.
Minutes after that investigators say he went to the State Baptist Headquarters telling officials there he had just lost his job. Employees at Target were concerned.
“We had all joked when he left that he would come shoot us all. We didn’t think seriously that he would,” the Target employee said.
Police officers and FBI agents searched Johnson’s home for two hours. Officers say they found a large amount of ammunition inside his home that match some of the weapons he had during the shootout in Grant County.
Where were you getting the news that he worked for Gwatney? I keep asking. I searched and searched and couldn’t find one news report that gave where he worked? Until now. See above. He worked at Target. I’ll be really surprised to find out this guy was a Democrat seeing as we only kill babies, we don’t really keep guns and tons of ammunition around. It’s unnecessary.
gus is good.
emmarie, I don’t think that Tim Johnson’s crimes reflect on his party affiliation at all. Clearly he was mentally ill.
But your assertion that you libs don’t keep guns and ammo around is humorous. Most murders in America are committed by people who are demographically Democrat, and who live in Democrat controlled districts.
You may want to refute my bad news, but it is fact.
Most murders in America are committed by Democrat constituents.
The Machine! I appreciate your support.
I stand behind what I say. I’m not afraid of libtards trying to silence me.
Godspeed my friend.
TJ, why don’t you repost it?
C’mon big guy, you can do it!
Bobo, what is ignorant is you calling those that you disagree with “ignorant”, without backing your feeble opinion with anything.
Your comment is typical of liberals. You claim to be smarter, more caring, diverse and morally superior, yet….YOU BACK IT WITH NOTHING.
Nothing personal Bozo, errrr Bobo, but your claim has been rejected.
Maybe next time you could back up your cake hole??? Mayhaps?
Looks like he got the wrong guy.
He looks nothing like Obama.
Hmmm…
Randi Rhodes advocated killing conservatives on her radio program multiple times. How did liberal extremists react?
Silence. With some encouragement thrown in.
Al Franken advocated violence against conservatives.
Fellow liberal extremists reactions? Outrage? No. Protest? No. They looked the other way.
Daily Kos and HuffPo columnist routinely advocate violence against conservatives as do many of their commenters.
The radical liberal double standard is rolling on. Hate speech from fellow liberals is acceptable to liberals while hate speech, whether real or imagined (and in many instances as evidenced by HuffPo, Kos, “progressive” {the new name for liberals} talk radio, etc. it’s mostly either imagined, fabricated and/or delusioned) from those outside the liberal spectrum is to be condemned to the point of forcably silencing. Many times a “free speech for me but not for thee” mentality is exhibited by those in the liberal camp. Case in point: the promotion of the “fairness doctrine” by Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Howard Dean and many other high-ranking liberals which in effect would silence or at least greatly reduce conservative talk radio.
They lose. Again.
And Amanda, writing with arrogance in hand challenged:
“For all the conservative bluster I’m reading here, just answer me one thing…. the anthrax attacks, the UU shooting, today’s murder…. can you name me one instance where a right wing conservative has been the target the last eight years? C’mon… name one.”
Reality check Amanda:
Gainsville, Fla., Democrat David P. McCally was charged with battery after he allegedly barged into a local GOP office, assaulted a cardboard cutout of President Bush, and punched a local Republican chairman in September 2004.
In March 2004, Carol Lang, a campus secretary at City College in New York, reportedly assaulted a police officer trying to arrest unruly anti-war protesters. Police arrested Lang and charged her with second-degree assault, disorderly conduct, and obstructing governmental administration.
At the same protest at which Carol Lang was arrested, police arrested students Justin Rodriguez, left, and Nicholas Bergreen. They charged Rodriguez with resisting arrest and disorderly conduct. They charged Bergreen with assaulting a police officer.
Lang, Rodriguez, Bergreen. All liberal Dems.
Oh, and don’t forget the videotaped assaults made on people at military recruitment stations by members of Code Pink.
Nathan Winkler of Tampa, Fla., was arrested and charged with aggravated stalking in March 2005 for allegedly terrorizing a mother who had a Bush-Cheney bumper sticker on her car.
Florida Democrat Barry Seltzer allegedly tried to run down congresswoman Katherine Harris with his Cadillac as she was campaigning in Sarasota, Fla., in October 2004.
Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde, son of congresswoman Gwen Moore (D-Milwaukee), was one of five paid Kerry campaign workers in Milwaukee who allegedly slashed the tires of 20 vans that had been rented by Wisconsin Republicans as part of their Election Day 2004 get-out-the-vote effort.
Want more examples, Amanda? Check out “Unhinged: Exposing Liberals Gone Wild” by Michelle Malkin. Documented. Factual. And just goes to show how wrong you are. But with all your liberal bluster, buster…
Interesting that the liberals commenting here have conveniently chosen to condone or at least ignore hate speech from liberals such as Randi Rhodes, Al Frankin, Bernie Ward {child porn collector}, Mike Malloy, ad nauseum. Or how about the liberal radio station owner issuing a “shoot to kill” order (see: http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2008/08/obama-supporting-station-owner-issues.html)?
Furthermore Amanda, I guess that Obama supporters William Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn are just fine and dandy, too? Two unrepentant terrorists who even recently condoned their acts of violence on conservatives.
Jeremy opined:
“The fact of the matter is that Limbaugh/Hannity/Coulter and the like use very hateful rhetoric. Liberals are enemies to them, not fellow citizens with whom they disagree on policy. The fact that Coulter thinks bludgeoning liberals to death is funny says it all.”
Hmmm…let’s swap a few names and a key phrase to make it more accurate:
The fact of the matter is that Rhodes/Franken/Malloy and the like use very hateful rhetoric. Conservatives are enemies to them, not fellow citizens with whom they disagree on policy. The fact that Rhodes thinks a Sopranos-style hit on President Bush is funny says it all.
Jeremy, you need a reality check, too, pal.
Hmmm…and in the 8 years that Clinton was President and also the 4 years Jimmy Carter was President, no one made any movie about their assassination. Yet “Death Of A President” is a docudrama looking back at a fictional assassination of President Bush?
Well, Amanda, Jeremy and all those of you in the liberal camp so quick to attempt to blame conservatism for hate filled and violent rhetoric: how about you clean up your own camp before attempting to lay blame on others?
Although extremists exist on both sides of the political aisle, I have found more documented examples of an unhinged nature from the liberal end of the spectrum.
Gee, the smug superiority, myopic nature and absolute one-sidedness exhibited by the Amandas and Jeremys of the liberal end of the spectrum merely support the “unhinged” label conservatives like Michelle Malkin utilize.
And I guess for the Amandas and Jeremys, liberal enviro-terrorists like ELF and the liberal groups like PETA who send support money to enviro-terrorist groups are perfectly normal and acceptable.
Oh, and for the sake of full disclosure, I am of a very rare breed in the United States: a conservative registered Democrat.
Some more documented examples of the liberal extremists’ call for violence and hate speech:
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/17/assassination-chic-artist-of-the-day/
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/19/assassination-chic-bush-the-only-dope-worth-shooting/
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/05/01/assassination-chic-rage-against-the-machine/
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/02/27/assassination-chic-cheney-edition/
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/12/bds-alert-democrat-ky-governors-bush-assassination-humor/
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/08/man-threatens-to-put-a-bullet-in-president-bushs-head-but/
Where’s the sense of outrage from liberals? Hardly any.
“Why is Tim McVeigh dead.
and.
Why is Bill Ayers alive and a friend of Obama, gainfully employed by a University living in a multi-million dollar home?”
Well, the number of people McVeigh killed is 168, the number of people Bill Ayers killed is 0. I figure that should make some difference.
It’s just like a republican to make up some stupid label (““?) and claim to be the victim of a tragedy. All the republican politicians care about is money and selling us out to corporations. Then they try to use religion to get votes. “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil” 1 Timothy 6:10. Just remember how God promised to punish greedy people in the afterlife.
But it is fun to watch all you republicans devolve into screaming, name calling, and made up statistics when someone disagrees with you. Besides, if you look at murder rates by states, red states tend to have higher murder rates than blue states: blue states like
Maine, New Hampshire, Oregon, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont have significantly lower murder rates than red states like South Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Mississippi. Massachusetts, which recognizes gay marriage, has the country’s lowest divorce rate. So “mayhaps” some republican voters should stop spouting off unsubstantiated about a political party that doesn’t do anything for you unless you can write it a big check. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004912.html
Jewemy,
The fact of the matter is that Limbaugh/Hannity/Coulter and the like use very hateful rhetoric.
Ahh. As opposed to Keith Olbermann and Michael Moore, right?
Cavy,
Interesting how you left out New York. And the fact that most violent crimes, including murder, happen in large cities, which are overwhelmingly controlled by Democrats:
Detroit
Washington DC
Baltimore
Philadelphia
Los Angeles
Memphis
Chicago
etc, etc, etc
In fact, if all of the crime in Democratically-controlled large cities simply disappeared, the crime rate in the United States would be that of anyplace in Canada or western Europe.
If you’re interested in learning more, they conceal this kind of information in things called “books”.
Stop me if I am wrong,. but as I seem to recall a certain site was REPEATEDLY investigated for threats against the President.
Where was that site again?
Oh yeah..that’s right
DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND.
So much for “hate speech”
TJ Dunn,. I didn’t delete any comment here. We have several moderators and if someone deleted your comment it was for good reason, although I don’t know what it may have been. As Gus said….repost it big guy
Agree it’s too early to blame rightwing blowhards like Sean Insanity but given the recent politically motivated murders in Knoxville, it’s not an unreasonable supposition. I say “political” because the shooter did NOT work for Gwatney (at least not recently). He worked, ironincally, at Target.
Question: If it turns out this guy was a member of the RightWingnut Book of the Month Club, will you recant the above?
You can whine all you want about your jerkoff heroes, Sean and Malkin being unjustly blamed, but the right wing has a thing about guns and taking action when they feel it’s in their best interest.
Hannity, Malkin, Beck, and even O’Reilly don’t have an intellectual bone in their bodies.
Sonnabend: Got a link to the threats on Bush’s life?
Cavy says…with a straight face: “…most violent crimes, including murder, happen in large cities, which are overwhelmingly controlled by Democrats…”
There are more people in “large cities” and that’s why there is more crime.
There are also more universities, more commerce, more opportunities for employment, more cultural centers, etc…
So…if Democrats are “controlling” these cities I guess they deserve credit for everything else, too.
Carl says: “Randi Rhodes advocated killing conservatives on her radio program multiple times.”
Got a link?
Why exactly are you out to “Stop The ACLU?”
They spend 100% of their time defending the Constitutional rights of American citizens, whether they’re liberal or conservative.
Want examples?
ACLU Defends Limbaugh
ACLU Defends Religious Conservatives…Las Vegas
ACLU Defends Senator Larry Craig- Townhall.com
ACLU Boasts Surprising Allies: Strossen says the group will defend anyone whose rights are violated — even people who disagree with the ACLU, such as conservative minister Jerry Falwell
The ACLU Is Not Evil: Christianity Today
ACLU Defends Conservative | EyeHackerBlog.com
ACLU defends conservative professor charged with political speech
As an American citizen who favors the Democratic Party over the GOP, I have to ask whom is my real enemy?
It isn’t Russia.
It isn’t Iraq.
It isn’t Syria.
It isn’t Venezuela.
It isn’t Cuba.
It isn’t France.
It isn’t Germany.
It isn’t Mexico.
Of course, I could go on and on and on (since the GOP has a xenophobic hatred of all other nations on the planet…plus the 70% of Americans whom dissaprove of George W Bush’s wretched presidency).
No, the real enemy to my health, safety, and chance for a decent life lived in peace, prosperity and freedom is the Republican Party.
I have no doubt that the Hannities, Limbaughs, Coulters, Malkins etc would – if they ever were put in a position of absolute power – would carry out a slaughter that would make the Rwandans and Serbs blush with horror.
W. Bulger,
It appears we’re posting on the wrong website.
Dear Empircal Conservative,
Just a clarification, the reasons given for the shootings at the Knoxville church was they were liberal in the theological positions such as oppposing the Bible’s opposition to homosexuality, not political positions.
Frieda wrote:
“You can whine all you want about your jerkoff heroes, Sean and Malkin being unjustly blamed, but the right wing has a thing about guns and taking action when they feel it’s in their best interest.”
Freda, the founding fathers had this “thing about guns” called the second amendment. You might familiarize yourself with it and the concept of constitutional rights.
“Hannity, Malkin, Beck, and even O’Reilly don’t have an intellectual bone in their bodies.”
Firstly: typical and no unexpected tactic of the intellectually bereft such as yourself — since you cannot address the issues at hand, commit an ad hominem fallacy.
Secondly: your personal attacks on those individuals listed above strongly imply that you actually fear their intellects and lack the intellectual honesty and ability to debate any one of them.
In conclusion, you are exhibiting the stereotypical behavior of the liberal extremist who is unable to discuss ideas in an intellegent and rational manner. Congratulations. You are living proof that the conservative view of liberalism is right on the money. You’ve made it so easy.
Link re Rhodes:
http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2005/04/gunshot-warning-has-secret-service.html
Bulger wrote:
“since the GOP has a xenophobic hatred of all other nations on the planet”
What an outrageous, unfounded claim to make, Bulger. Of course, just as Frieda, since you are unable to engage in civil, intellectually honest discourse you’d rather engage in ad hominem and false claims. Seems we conservatives keep being proven right about radial liberals like yourself. Thank you. And if you’re going to bring up approval/disapproval stats into the picture, why didn’t you also mention the 9% appproval ration of the Democratically controlled, do-nothing Congress led by liberal extremists Pelosi and Reid? Oh, that’s right…you refuse to accept the complete picture and would rather attack conservatives even though it’s with fabrications, ad hominem, non sequiturs and many logical fallacies combined with disingenuousness and an intellectual void. But hey, thanks for playing…come back when you are willing AND able to be less unhinged and more factual.
Carl –
My first thought on your comment was that is was a distinction without a difference. Then using “the Google” I find you’re just flat wrong, dude. Homosexuality was ONE of his issues (musta be a closet dweller) but not the ONLY issue.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/28/church.shooting/
“According to the affidavit requesting to search Adkisson’s home, the suspect told investigators liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country. Adkisson also blamed Democrats for the country’s decline, according to the affidavit.
“‘He felt that the Democrats had tied his country’s hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of major media outlets,” the affidavit said. “Because he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement … he would then target those that had voted them into office.’”
Who’s got next?
Mr. Gwatney’s murder was more likely than not motivated by politics and mental illness. Though true that Johnson had lost his job that morning, it was from a Target store in Conway, Ark., where he had been discovered scribbling obscene graffiti on a wall by management. A Target spokesman says he was shaking and nearly incoherent, so much so that other employees feared for their safety.
Furthermore, a search of the murderer’s home turned up a Post-it note on which was written “Gwatney” and a phone number. The only other connection Johnson had to Mr. Gwatney found so far were two sets of keys for vehicles from Gwatney car dealerships. I distinctly doubt a man would kill the owner of a car dealership from which he had bought a second vehicle.
See latest Associated Press content.
Regarding the gun debate going on above, I must say simply that I am proud to call myself a liberal who loves our living Constitution; that includes all amendments. I stand by our right to bear arms; my complaint is the ease with which mentally unbalanced people may obtain weapons. I for one would not find myself inconvenienced in the slightest by having to undergo some type of background check and evaluation beyond that required now. It is a right to purchase and own a firearm, but a privilege to get it quickly. There is no possible valid need to get a new gun immediately.
Oh, and Carl.
Congratulations on that B+ must have gotten in Logic and Rhetoric 101. You seem so proud.
Or perhaps you’ve just finished Sagan’s Demon-Haunted World and you’re trying out your new-found vocabulary? Either way in your random, rundown list of common fallacies, you’ve left out straw man, slippery slope, excluded middle, post hoc ergo propter hoc, observational selection, and special pleadings. I’m positive there are more, but it has been awhile…
Regardless, thanks so much for the refresher!
And yes, before you let everyone else know, I am fully aware that my last post was a sarcastic ad hominem attack.
Thanks anyway.
Carl,
You’re darn right the political right wing in the US has a xenophobic hatred of basically all foreign nations.
With the possible exceptions of Israel (where, by the way, most conservatives in the Bible Belt would be shocked to learn that the government has nationalized health care and pays for abortions).
And, of course, America’s truest and bestest ally in history…the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (where the Bush family are practically honorary royal princes).
Every other nation?
Enemies, in the eyes of “right-thinking” American patriots whom worship George W Bush.
Wasn’t it the neoconservatives who, just 18 months after the Al Queda (a virtual Saudi organization) attacks of 9/11 were telling our “real” enemies were France, Germany and Canada? (Democracies, one and all).
One possible reason for the GOP hatred is that there isn’t a single nation on earth where George W Bush is thought of positively by anything close to a majority of the citizenry.
“Leader of the free world”???
What a pathetic joke.
Unbelievable. This is why our nation is in such a shambles. Something like this happens and the partisans are out in droves ready to blame someone else for it. Tell me how it’s okay to kill unborn children yet corporal punishment for murderers and rapists is cruel and unusual. The depth of these tensions goes much father than many of you can even fathom. “Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but don’t consider the beam that is in your own eye?” Judge and ye shall be judged.
Carl,
You point out the low dissaproval of the US Congress amongst America’s citizenry.
This is true, but how much of that dissaproval is really aimed at the Democratic Party?
Many left-wingers are upset that the Democrats in Congress aren’t left-wing enough – i.e, no cessation of funding for Operation Iraqi Freedom Fest.
Many are disgusted that Bush and Cheney have not been subjected to impeachment.
But, at the end of the day, how many Congressmen and Senators (of both parties) will get re-elected in their next election? Probably over 90%, right?
But if he could run again, would George W Bush win a presidential election in 2008? Of course not. (Though America’s last 3 presidents to serve 2 full terms, Ike, Reagan and Clinton, most certainly would have easily won 3rd terms).
If he decided to run for president, would Dick Cheney carry the GOP to victory in November?
The idea is so laughable it requires no response.
Carl says: “Dear Empircal Conservative, Just a clarification, the reasons given for the shootings at the Knoxville church was they were liberal in the theological positions such as oppposing the Bible’s opposition to homosexuality, not political positions.”
Now that’s a hoot.
You actually think specific Bible beliefs, homosexuality, and a woman’s choice aren’t used over and over again by the right wing…as “political talking points??”
Get real.
Vaughn: How many children have you given birth to? How many have you adopted?
It’s a “woman’s choice”…because it’s HER body.
Carl,
Have you forgotten (or did you even know) that the Republicans have controlled Congress for 12 of the last 13 years so it’s rather disingenuous to blame the Democrats, who carry a slim one voter majority…and that’s if you could Lieberman the turncoat.
Also, Bush didn’t veto one single bill in his first 6 plus year, only started the very moment the Democrats became the majority.
Seems strange, huh?
Frieda, your timeline is off a bit so you’ve started off with disinformation and makes the remaining claims in your comment moot. Furthermore in the 100th Congress, here’s the actual breakdown. They were sworn in on January 4, 2007. It will be in session through noon, January 4, 2009. Caucus totals are 233 Democrats and 202 Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives and 49 Democrats, 49 Republicans and 2 Independents (who plan to caucus with Democrats) in the U.S. Senate.
Secondly, the low approval rating is occuring with the Dems in charge therefore they are to be held responsible. This is further supported by the promises Nancy Pelosi made when she was named speaker of the House. For example, remember Pelosi’s promise to “drain the swamp”? First, she tried to appoint an ex-Judge who was impeached for corruption and then got elected as a Democrat Senator to chair the Select Committe on Intellegence. Then, she appointed a Democrat who, at the time, was under investigation to chair the committee in charge of approving the budget for the group doing the investigation. Hmmm…quite a double standard there. Gives creedance to the fact that the low approval ratings of Congress is mainly due to the Dems. Oh, by the way, one of the big promises Pelosi made back then was to make the Congresscritters work a 5 day week. She didn’t hold to that at all. They, meaning the Dems in charge, managed to come up with quuuite inventive reasons to take a day or two off each week. One incredibly important reason was to take off for a football game. Pelosi claimed to have a solid plan she would reveal that would guarantee the cost of fuel would plummet. She never put forth any such plan. She promised much yet delivered very little.
Now if you think I’m rooting for Republicans, then you’re making baseless assumptions for I’m not fond of their turncoat ways either. The vast majority have abandoned the conservative ideals of the Reagan era and the “Contract With America” era and have basically taken a “big government” and more spending approach. Not good and not something I support. They carry a lot of blame as well. I never denied that. But since I was addressing Frieda’s and Bulger’s rather myopic views, I kept my points in context with the issues they so vainly attempted to put forth.
Also in regards to the comments I made regarding the Knoxville shootings, you failed whether intentionally or not (I lean towards intentionally) to include the context. Please note I never claimed homosexuality, abortion, etc. were not political points but I was pointing out, correctly I might add, that in regards to the SHOOTING, the reasons given by the murderer were the liberal stances the Unitarian church takes in regards on theological grounds. It’s called context. You ought to try it before making baseless attacks.
Also Bulger, the Democrats are in charge. Both Pelosi and Reid promised the most ethical congress that will do more for the people than any other congress in history. However they, meaning the Dems in charge, did little to nothing while blocking many legislation that the vast majority of Americans wanted passed. Since they are in charge and promised so much but delivered so little, it’s quite accurate to claim the disappproval is aimed against the Dems. Furthermore, this is clearly supported by both the Rasmussen and Zogby polls which actually specified in their polls if the disapproval was aimed at the Democrats in Congress. Especially since the facts also support the claim.
Incidentally, you also wrote in connection with the 9% approval ratings:
“But, at the end of the day, how many Congressmen and Senators (of both parties) will get re-elected in their next election? Probably over 90%, right?”
Now this is an example of a logical fallacy called a fallacy of inequality. In other words, you’re trying to compare things of unequal levels. The 9% approval rating of Congress is based upon national polling while election and potential re-elections of Congresscritters is based on state and district numbers not national. So in essence, to get elected or re-elected, a congresscritter’s only got to fool some of the people some of the time.
Bulger, you also presented some “what if” scenarios. Friend, you should try to stick with “what is” and abandon the “what if.” Dealing with “what is” is reality — playing “what if” is empty rhetoric.
Finally, Bulger you ended your weak comments with “The idea is so laughable it requires no response.”
Yet you responded.
My, my, my…can’t even be consistent with yourself. Sad.
But that’s liberalism for ya, folks.
Uh, TJ, a non sequitur argument doesn’t work for either you or for anyone else including kender. So to counter one non sequitur with another non sequitur is self-defeating.
Has anyone noticed that when one attacks by pointing out logical fallacies (as above), that in itself is a logical fallacy? As Carl has pointed out. So. Many. Times. Such is an example of an ad hominem attack, attacking to arguer rather than the argument.
I love irony almost as much as I hate people who conflate knowledge with intelligence.
Carl,
You can blather on all day about the “Democratic” Congress, but one thing is for sure: The Republicans have controlled Congress for 12 of the past 13 years (give or take a few months) and look at what we have right now:
A massive deficit, an illegal war, 4,000 dead Americans, 30,000 wounded Americans, 45 million Americans without health insurance, rising inflation, a real estate meltdown, banks going belly-up on a daily basis, oil at about 4 times hat it was when little Georgie took over, gas at about 3 times what it was in 2001, and the rest of the world has lost all respect for our great country.
This is the way it is.
Obama will overwhelmingly win the popular vote in the election and he’s also win the electoral vote.
Why?
Young people who have never taken and interest and will vote because of Obama’s push for a new direction, middle-aged Americans who read newspapers and books and realize what the Republicans have done over the past 7 plus years, and the elderly because of Social Security, insurance and health benefits.
Hide and watch.
OK, so far we know the killer (or perhaps his late father) loved guns — he had 14 in his house (plus the murder weapon, I suppose).
On the other hand, a member of his shooting club said he never heard the killer talk politics.
Stay tuned…
Actually Matt, pointing out logical fallacies in another’s argument is not in of itself neither a logical fallacy in of itself nor an example of ad hominem. Showing errors in execution is not “attacking to arguer rather than the argument.” Also, I have been and consistently addressing the arguments, albeit weak, from Frieda and Bulger (and now yourself). However, since both Frieda and Bulger (and yourself as well) wish to engage in snide remarks, no respect is deserved from any of you. just wanted to clarify.
Frieda, you may wish to dodge the points I made exposing the flaws in your argument but once again you try to hold to your non sequitur which renders your overall point completely moot. Also a little error on your part: apparently you have forgotten that a vast majority of Democrats voted in support of going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. It would be nice, although I’m not expecting this, if you’d take the time to: 1) take in and accept the big picture; 2) cease with the logical fallacies; 3) cease with the factual errors; and 4) address the issues directly from all sides.
I don’t expect it from you, but if you’d ever attempt it and succeeded it would strengthen your position by giving weight to facts rather than relying on emotion.
Until you decide to do so, you’re really not worthy of any further time and effort on my part to respond to your, thus far, weak arguments, personal attacks and errors in facts.
Hmmm…apparently my proofing is off…that line above should have read:
“However, since both Frieda and Bulger (and yourself as well) wish to engage in snide remarks, no respect is deserved for any of you. just wanted to clarify.”
I don’t expect any respect from the liberals commenting thus far and also thus far they have exhibited none.
But again, that’s liberalism for you.
“And quotes like this don’t help much either:
“I’ll tell you who should be tortured and killed at Guantanamo: every filthy Democrat in the U.S. Congress.” – Sean Hannity”
Hey Geoff, this is a fake quote.
For Frieda, who asked “Got a link?”:
Air Assassination
Susan Kahon from a fellow believer lin God take my advice and stuff it, stuff it deep.
Folks read what Carl wrote and remember who had the majority AND the Whitehouse and created the Mortgage mess, the broken budged, failed with energy, failed to get Ossama, failed in Iraq and left America worse than when they got it.
The context of current so called conservatism is that it has failed and America is in need of serious rescue NOW, not more pandering by false patriots and sell out flag wavers.
The Republican Party controlled Congress in the 1990s and, apart from the useless impeachment of Bill Clinton, did manage to do some worthwhile things.
Budget surpluses, so often credited to Clinton, were the result of budgets written mostly by the GOP Congress of that era.
In 1996, the US Senate came within ONE vote of passing a bill mandating a balanced budget on an annual basis! One vote!
But in the era of Bush, the era of the cult of personality, the unquestioning adherenece to ideology (tax cuts = good; taxes = bad) the GOP Congress of the first six years of the Dubya regime found the US government unable to function without borrowing a billion dollars (that’s $1,000,000,000) per DAY. Every day, every week, every year.
As Joe Scarborough (a one-time GOP Congressman, one-time Bush-supporter turned disgusted witness to the collape of America) pointed out, if you were given $1 million per day, every day, since Jesus Christ was born right up to the present day….you wouldn’t have enough money to pay off the US government national debt.
GOP = “conservatives”????
Not since the religious nuts and the corrupt chickenhawks took over the party.
Carl,
I find it highly irritating that you keep commenting on other people’s “snide”ness yet you end your posts with “But again, that is liberalism for you.”
You are just as bad as the people you attack. I am so tired of reading the back and forth, disrespectful rhetoric on both sides. None of it is honest intellectual discourse.
The problem on both sides is an utter lack of respect.
Bill Gwatney was my family. I am glad you are getting off on these arguments and disrespecting your countrymen for the sake of being “right” or feeling “smart.” For his two daughters this is a tragedy.
There are intelligent conservatives with valid points and intelligent liberals with valid points…there are people all across the spectrum. But people like you are none of the above, people like you are just a**holes.
Dear Sick,
Please let us know who is forcing you to read this at gunpoint so we may send law enforcement to free you.
Your misrepresentation of my comments is duly noted. If you will note when I said “But that is liberalism for you” I am attacking liberalism which I find abhorant. Nowhere in that brief statement is an attack on someone but an attack on a political philosophy that I find repugnant. To attempt to equate that with personal attacks is vaccuous at best. You wish you play that sort of game, then you play alone. I refuse to stoop to that level.
If Bill Gwatney was part of your family then my heartfelt condolences to you. However you will have to parrdon me if I take such a claim with some skepticism. As is apparent, on the internet anyone can claim to be anyone and with no way of verifying your identity I have no way to know whether you are being truthful or not in this claim. However to give you the benefit of the doubt, I offer my condolences.
However be that as it may, your personal attack and your use of profanity merely goes to show you have no valid points, arguments or positions to present. In short, you’ve chosen to make a very unintelligent, childish response while claiming to abhor such unintelligent, childish responses. That, my friend, is a textbook example of hypocrisy.
Bulger, just a little point, Joe Scarborough, whether you agree with him or not, makes for a terrible mathematician. his figures are quite off. But, assuming your reference is accurate, I recognize that Scarborough was attempting to make a rhetorical point rather than a mathematical accurate one.
Bulger concludes his recent comment with:
“Not since the religious nuts and the corrupt chickenhawks took over the party.”
Ad hominem. Baseless. Erroneous.
This seems to be a recurring pattern in your posts.
But, as I have stated before, I am not fond of the current Republican party either. The Democratic party has abandoned its long-held ideals to embrace radical liberalism as exhibited by the Daily Kos & Huffington Post crowds as well as extremists like Moveon.org and Code Pink. The Republican party has abandoned its long-held ideals to embrace big government and overspending something that used to be limited to the liberal arm of Congress. In short, neither political party can be nor should be trusted to do the right thing for the country anymore. And the saddest thing is that there is no viable alternatives at this time. The bulk of the congresscritters in office are more interested in personal power and wealth, getting re-elected and playing politics. I blame them all for placing politics above the good of the citizenry.
June, if you truly believe that Democrats will “save” this country from what you believe to be the evils caused by Republicans then you are truly deluding yourself. The Democrats, especially Obama, want to raise taxes on not just the wealthy (as they falsely claim) but also on the middle class. and do we REALLY want to entrust the Federal Government with our health care when they have manage to effectively bankrupt social security, medicare, medicaid and countless programs starting in the New Deal era all the way up to the present? You want to entrust the Federal government with MORE control over our lives when they couldn’t even aid the people of Louisiana and Mississippi effectively after Hurricane Katrina? You want the Feds to take away more of our rights via lifetime appointed activist judges? If so, vote for Obama. I’m not. Although I think McCain is the poorest choice the Republicans present out of those who ran for the nomination, I believe that he’s the lesser of two evils. Frankly, I’ve felt we, as a voting public, haven’t had a real choice for President since Reagan was elected and re-elected. Since them it’s been the lesser of two evils IMHO.
Ah…TJ, I see…rather than discuss the issues you’d rather attack me personally. Boy how mature you must be by bringing up my obesity. Congratulations! You manage to prove me correct in how so-called “tolerant” and “compassionate” liberals choose to behave. Thank you for making it so very easy.
As to non sequiturs, thank you for the attempted lesson but I am quite familiar with its definition, its application and its origin. Furthermore, I accurately appplied it as evidenced by my comments.
As to exhibiting hate, I find your comments to be textbook hypocrisy. And intentional dishonesty on your part for nothing in my comments is hateful. However you are so blinded by your hatred you can’t even recognize your own. This is the myopic vision I alluded to earlier.
As evidenced by your boorish behavior, childish attacks, intentional misrepresentations and abhorant behavior it is not surprising why your prior comments were deleted. You are unable and unwilling to engage in civil discourse. And as such you deserve no respect nor any further time and effort from me in responding to your drivil.
But thank you for visiting my blog.
For whatever it’s worth, I had roux-n-y gastric bypass surgery in March of 2006 and since then I have lost over 200 pounds and am still losing weight.
Now I find it most interesting that TJ Dunn would exhibit such negative comments towards obesity. I predict none of the liberals will find this objectionable however if someone had made such disparaging comments about someone else’s skin color or sexual preference liberals would be falling over themselves to be the first to condemn them. Well, I guess except when a liberal makes such disparaging remarks like Jesse Jackson, for example or Michael Moore for another example.
Interesting double-standard from “compassionate” liberalism, eh?
Without intending to do so, Frieda, Bulger, “Sick” and now TJ have effectively shown that the main point of this specific post from STACLU blog to be quite accurate. That is, in part, that liberals, especially those more of the far-left, tend to toss compassion and tolerance right out the window if you don’t agree with them or just happen to be conservative.
Thanks gang, for proving conservatives correct.
To Sick of it All:
My sincere condolences to you and the family. I knew Mr. Gwatney’s daughter in college, and I had the pleasure of meeting him once. He was obviously a good man, and he did more for the State of Arkansas than anyone in recent memory.
To Carl:
Your brain may be full, but your heart is bankrupt. A man has been brutally murdered and all you can do is hand out rhetoric lessons and lament your reality. You are the one who is not worthy of further attention.
frieda wrote;
<i.”A massive deficit, an illegal war, 4,000 dead Americans, 30,000 wounded Americans, 45 million Americans without health insurance, rising inflation, a real estate meltdown, banks going belly-up on a daily basis, oil at about 4 times hat it was when little Georgie took over, gas at about 3 times what it was in 2001, and the rest of the world has lost all respect for our great country.”
Let me take these points one at a time (and pardon the lateness of the reply-I was off restocking dialysis supplies today);
Massive deficit; Our deficit is NOT a problem, and if you understood the economics of it and what our country is worth vs. what we owe, you would realize it’s a moot point only used to worry idiots. For more on that read http://hstrial-rmcdonald1.homestead.com/>this link here
Illegal war: There was nothing illegal about invading Iraq. Saddam thumbed his nose at the UN resolutions for 12 years (you remember the UN? That goofy bunch of freedom hating anti-American zealots who the left worships?) and he would have continued to thumb his nose at them forever. The UN issues “mandates” and then refuses to enforce them. Utter uselessness. For more on why we went into Iraq (and so you DUmmies can finally understand it) read this post here.
4,000 dead Americans, 30,000 wounded Americans,; And each year we have 40 to 50 THOUSAND deaths in this country by vehicles. People die. At least soldiers die for a reason, granted one you may not understand our agree with but I have found the left is unwilling to die for anything.
45 million Americans without health insurance; About half of those are illegal aliens. Again a moot point. Open up the insurance markets to more competition and prices will drop. It’s called the free market. Maybe you should look into it sometime.
Rising inflation, a real estate meltdown,: Yes inflation is rising, (that’s why it’s called “inflation”) but we still aren’t in a recession. As for the real estate “meltdown” if the left didn’t sue lending institutions to give high risk loans in low income areas to high risk people we wouldn’t be in this mess. The left forced lenders to lower standards under threat of expensive lawsuits and their idea of being fair to people is coming back to bite us in the butt. Lenders used to be able to lend to whom they wished and when it was so they kept their losses to a minimum. It will be that way again and people who have no business owning a home, either because they simply cannot afford it or have proven they have too little economic sense and restraint (proven by bad credit scores) won’t own homes.
Banks going belly-up on a daily basis,: This is an outright lie. Now that I think about it I can’t believe I am taking the time to answer a liar. Then again, if I never answered a liar I would never answer a lib.
Oil at about 4 times what it was when little Georgie took over, gas at about 3 times what it was in 2001: If you will take notice little liar, gas and oil were stable until the dems took control of congress in 2006. I will leave your little lying brain to puzzle that one out.
and the rest of the world has lost all respect for our great country: They may say they don’t respect us but when the spit hits the fan who do they call for aid?
’nuff said, class ended, schools out. For those of you who failed your civics exam (and you know who you are) please see Mr. Hand after class, cuz I ain’t listenin’
You folks don’t need to lie about this; if you’ve even read a single article about this story, and I must assume you have, you’d know he worked at Target, not a car dealership
http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2008/08/15/news/081508lrgwatney.txt
Quite frankly, I don’t even know where you got that car dealership nonsense from, I’ve been following this story since it happened and never heard hide nor hair of it.
Think about this from the perspective of a liberal; two weeks ago a man who had recently been fired from his job barged in to a Unitarian Church and started shooting people, a man who was later found to have a trove of right-wing books by Malkin, O’Rielly and Savage, and to have done so out of a belief that “liberals” were the reason for everything wrong with the nation. Then, this week, another recently fired loner walks into the Arkansas headquarters of the Democratic party and shoots the party head.
Now seriously, if a recently fired atheist had walked into a Southern Baptist church in Dallas and gunned down the minister with a shotgun, and then two weeks later another recently fired atheist walked into the Louisiana headquarters of the Republican party and plugged the state party head, what conclusion would you draw? They may be wrong, similarity isn’t sameness, but it is precisely the kind of emotional conclusion that most human beings will draw until evidence makes the situation clearer.
Matt, my heart is just fine and more compassionate than the far-left who routinely are devoid of compassion and tolerance whenever it applies to conservatives and anyone who disagrees with them. The facts prove it. Your comments prove it. The far-left just can’t help themselves. Thank you for proving me correct along with your compatriots.
TJ,
This is a moderated site. Profanity is not allowed. If a comment contains profanity that is pertinent, I will edit the profanity and leave the comment. If the profanity is gratuitous, etc., I will delete the comment.
Your personal attack had nothing to do with “FACTS OF PUBLIC RECORD”.
Your past three posts deal with how we should run this site.
satisfy your ‘wondering’… I am biased, discriminatory and a bigot, at times.
**Lobo**
Explanation re TJ Dunn’s posts duly noted and appreciated. Thank you, sir.
here’s more of that lovely liberal compassion these dimwits keep going on about
Still waiting for the left to respond to the documented attacks on conservatives…