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	<title>Comments on: Anarchists Band Together to Extort Denver, Destroy Public Safety</title>
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	<description>Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer</description>
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		<title>By: Madison</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/08/07/anarchists-band-together-to-extort-denver-destroy-public-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-93862</link>
		<dc:creator>Madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, it&#039;s like talking to a brick wall.
Frustrating, I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, it&#8217;s like talking to a brick wall.<br />
Frustrating, I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam Sionnach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam Sionnach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 07:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been ridiculously annoying reading foolish posts and seeing people on the news suggesting that &quot;organized anarchists is an oxymoron.&quot; The symbol anarchists use, an A with an O around it means, &quot;Anarchy is Order.&quot; Throughout history all significant anarchist movements (see: from the 1860s internationally to the Spanish Civil War) were the result of anarchist organizing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_symbolism

Do your homework, yall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been ridiculously annoying reading foolish posts and seeing people on the news suggesting that &#8220;organized anarchists is an oxymoron.&#8221; The symbol anarchists use, an A with an O around it means, &#8220;Anarchy is Order.&#8221; Throughout history all significant anarchist movements (see: from the 1860s internationally to the Spanish Civil War) were the result of anarchist organizing.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_symbolism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_symbolism</a></p>
<p>Do your homework, yall.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 03:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s your opinion about the &lt;em&gt;merits&lt;/em&gt; of their beliefs. I&#039;m not here to discuss that, as I said in my first post. 

Obviously, anarchists don&#039;t agree with your assessment or they wouldn&#039;t be anarchists. My point is simply that anarchists do not necessarily oppose organizations; many of them envision a world with even more organizations than we have now. 

You think they&#039;re foolish and I don&#039;t care to change your mind about that, but there&#039;s nothing inherently contradictory about what they&#039;re doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s your opinion about the <em>merits</em> of their beliefs. I&#8217;m not here to discuss that, as I said in my first post. </p>
<p>Obviously, anarchists don&#8217;t agree with your assessment or they wouldn&#8217;t be anarchists. My point is simply that anarchists do not necessarily oppose organizations; many of them envision a world with even more organizations than we have now. </p>
<p>You think they&#8217;re foolish and I don&#8217;t care to change your mind about that, but there&#8217;s nothing inherently contradictory about what they&#8217;re doing.</p>
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		<title>By: kender</title>
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		<dc:creator>kender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you are missing the point. In an anarchists dream world where membership in a group was completely voluntary and those not in the group are not subject to the rules of the group there would be no way to enforce any kind of civility or order.  Once the strong began to prey on the weak some sort of organization to protect the weak would be created.

Thereby ruining the anarchists impossible dream.  The entire idea of anarchy is completely done away by any sort of organization.  Which is, even though you can&#039;t seem to grasp it, hilarious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you are missing the point. In an anarchists dream world where membership in a group was completely voluntary and those not in the group are not subject to the rules of the group there would be no way to enforce any kind of civility or order.  Once the strong began to prey on the weak some sort of organization to protect the weak would be created.</p>
<p>Thereby ruining the anarchists impossible dream.  The entire idea of anarchy is completely done away by any sort of organization.  Which is, even though you can&#8217;t seem to grasp it, hilarious.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I have been to anarchist gatherings and the one constant theme is wishing for a lack of organizations. Talk about how everyone should run their own lives how they see fit completely devoid of interference from anyone at anytime is the one overriding theme of all anarchist events I have attended.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What you continue to describe is &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;individualism&lt;/em&gt;. There&#039;s a fair amount of overlap between &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;anarchism&lt;/a&gt; and individualism, but there are important differences. 

Read some of tarran&#039;s writing if you want to learn about an anarchist who is &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; an individualist. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/07/do-government-regulators-protect-investors/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This post&lt;/a&gt; in particular makes it clear that he has no problem with private organizations imposing rules upon their members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I have been to anarchist gatherings and the one constant theme is wishing for a lack of organizations. Talk about how everyone should run their own lives how they see fit completely devoid of interference from anyone at anytime is the one overriding theme of all anarchist events I have attended.</p></blockquote>
<p>What you continue to describe is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualism" rel="nofollow">individualism. There&#8217;s a fair amount of overlap between </a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism" rel="nofollow">anarchism</a> and individualism, but there are important differences. </p>
<p>Read some of tarran&#8217;s writing if you want to learn about an anarchist who is <em>not</em> an individualist. <a href="http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2008/06/07/do-government-regulators-protect-investors/" rel="nofollow">This post</a> in particular makes it clear that he has no problem with private organizations imposing rules upon their members.</p>
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		<title>By: kender</title>
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		<dc:creator>kender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Than k you for your solid defense of anarchism Kiy.  I have been to anarchist gatherings and the one constant theme is wishing for a lack of organizations. Talk about how everyone should run their own lives how they see fit completely devoid of interference from anyone at anytime is the one overriding theme of all anarchist events I have attended.

I state again, the concept of a group of people who advocate a society free of overarching organizations CREATING what appears to be an overarching organization for the express intent of furthering their goal of a society without overarching organizations is comedic. 

Thank you for playing Kiy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Than k you for your solid defense of anarchism Kiy.  I have been to anarchist gatherings and the one constant theme is wishing for a lack of organizations. Talk about how everyone should run their own lives how they see fit completely devoid of interference from anyone at anytime is the one overriding theme of all anarchist events I have attended.</p>
<p>I state again, the concept of a group of people who advocate a society free of overarching organizations CREATING what appears to be an overarching organization for the express intent of furthering their goal of a society without overarching organizations is comedic. </p>
<p>Thank you for playing Kiy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d just like to weigh in on the comments about anarchy not being conducive to having organizations. If you were to look up anarchy, read about it, or go to any gathering of anarchists you would find that most are quite organized. There are dozens of anarchist organizations. This is not antithetical to the idea of anarchism, which is simply a philosophy that works towards the maximum freedom of all peoples.

If there were an anarchist society, and not government to do all the things it does (poorly I might add) people, anarchists, would have to be organized in order to provide for themselves. 

Your statements on anarchism show about as much understanding as a thirteen year old who thinks it&#039;s all about chaos and partying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d just like to weigh in on the comments about anarchy not being conducive to having organizations. If you were to look up anarchy, read about it, or go to any gathering of anarchists you would find that most are quite organized. There are dozens of anarchist organizations. This is not antithetical to the idea of anarchism, which is simply a philosophy that works towards the maximum freedom of all peoples.</p>
<p>If there were an anarchist society, and not government to do all the things it does (poorly I might add) people, anarchists, would have to be organized in order to provide for themselves. </p>
<p>Your statements on anarchism show about as much understanding as a thirteen year old who thinks it&#8217;s all about chaos and partying.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Jeff, you are not forced to associate with anyone, unless you are considering sharing citizenship as association. Considering shared citizenship as association is absurd, especially in a nation of 300 million plus.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes, sharing citizenship is an association. Anyone who shares USA citizenship is subject to hundreds of thousands of pages of regulations that govern most parts of their lives. It&#039;s an association that one is born into and is very hard to renounce. 

If this association is as trivial as you suggest it is, all you have to do is pass a law making it easy to renounce all of the fees required by and services provided by the various governments. If you managed to do so, anarchists would have absolutely no beef with you. 

But therein lies the problem. You insist on certain compulsory geographic associations. Private, voluntary associations have nothing to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Jeff, you are not forced to associate with anyone, unless you are considering sharing citizenship as association. Considering shared citizenship as association is absurd, especially in a nation of 300 million plus.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, sharing citizenship is an association. Anyone who shares USA citizenship is subject to hundreds of thousands of pages of regulations that govern most parts of their lives. It&#8217;s an association that one is born into and is very hard to renounce. </p>
<p>If this association is as trivial as you suggest it is, all you have to do is pass a law making it easy to renounce all of the fees required by and services provided by the various governments. If you managed to do so, anarchists would have absolutely no beef with you. </p>
<p>But therein lies the problem. You insist on certain compulsory geographic associations. Private, voluntary associations have nothing to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: kender</title>
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		<dc:creator>kender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you are not forced to associate with anyone, unless you are considering sharing citizenship as association.  Considering shared citizenship as association is absurd, especially in a nation of 300 million plus.

Anarchists wish for no rule of law and complete lack of governing bodies.  They crave a lack of societal structures, such as organizations like DNC Disruption08.

Do you really not see the humor in an association of anarchists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you are not forced to associate with anyone, unless you are considering sharing citizenship as association.  Considering shared citizenship as association is absurd, especially in a nation of 300 million plus.</p>
<p>Anarchists wish for no rule of law and complete lack of governing bodies.  They crave a lack of societal structures, such as organizations like DNC Disruption08.</p>
<p>Do you really not see the humor in an association of anarchists?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My point is any organization forming for any reason whatsoever is inherently against anarchism&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You can&#039;t learn anything if you cling to your preconceived notions. Read Webster&#039;s definition.

&lt;blockquote&gt;1 a: absence of government b: a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority c: a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The key to anarchy is that there should be no compulsory associations. The national government of the USA forces you and I to associate with each other. I can&#039;t dissolve my association with you without moving to a different country, and even that would just be exchanging one set of compulsory associations with another. 

The problem with government, according to anarchists, is that I am required, by the very fact of my birth, to associate with those proximal to me. They maintain that this should be voluntary.

Anarchists say we should only have to associate with people that we choose to associate with. If I want to join a certain organization of people and subject myself to that organization&#039;s rules, that&#039;s perfectly fine. 

It&#039;s a radical philosophy, but its radicalism is about free will, not rugged individualism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My point is any organization forming for any reason whatsoever is inherently against anarchism</p></blockquote>
<p>You can&#8217;t learn anything if you cling to your preconceived notions. Read Webster&#8217;s definition.</p>
<blockquote><p>1 a: absence of government b: a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority c: a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government</p></blockquote>
<p>The key to anarchy is that there should be no compulsory associations. The national government of the USA forces you and I to associate with each other. I can&#8217;t dissolve my association with you without moving to a different country, and even that would just be exchanging one set of compulsory associations with another. </p>
<p>The problem with government, according to anarchists, is that I am required, by the very fact of my birth, to associate with those proximal to me. They maintain that this should be voluntary.</p>
<p>Anarchists say we should only have to associate with people that we choose to associate with. If I want to join a certain organization of people and subject myself to that organization&#8217;s rules, that&#8217;s perfectly fine. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a radical philosophy, but its radicalism is about free will, not rugged individualism.</p>
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