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	<title>Comments on: ACLU Crying About Osama&#8217;s Drivers Conviction</title>
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	<description>Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer</description>
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		<title>By: Are Military Tribunals Fair?</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/08/06/aclu-crying-about-osamas-drivers-conviction/comment-page-1/#comment-94078</link>
		<dc:creator>Are Military Tribunals Fair?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of conspiracy he was convicted on multiple counts of material support for terrorism. Legal groups like the ACLU and the Center for Constitutional Rights quickly criticized the ruling. Certain media elements were [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of conspiracy he was convicted on multiple counts of material support for terrorism. Legal groups like the ACLU and the Center for Constitutional Rights quickly criticized the ruling. Certain media elements were [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Are Military Tribunals Fair? : Stop The ACLU</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/08/06/aclu-crying-about-osamas-drivers-conviction/comment-page-1/#comment-94074</link>
		<dc:creator>Are Military Tribunals Fair? : Stop The ACLU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of conspiracy he was convicted on multiple counts of material support for terrorism. Legal groups like the ACLU and the Center for Constitutional Rights quickly criticized the ruling. Certain media elements were [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of conspiracy he was convicted on multiple counts of material support for terrorism. Legal groups like the ACLU and the Center for Constitutional Rights quickly criticized the ruling. Certain media elements were [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cao</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/08/06/aclu-crying-about-osamas-drivers-conviction/comment-page-1/#comment-93633</link>
		<dc:creator>Cao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guy was caught with two shoulder rocket launchers at a roadblock but claimed the car was borrowed, and the rockets weren&#039;t his.

I think he&#039;s a typical terrorist.

A liar.

I sure hope they follow his movements after he serves his paltry 5 months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guy was caught with two shoulder rocket launchers at a roadblock but claimed the car was borrowed, and the rockets weren&#8217;t his.</p>
<p>I think he&#8217;s a typical terrorist.</p>
<p>A liar.</p>
<p>I sure hope they follow his movements after he serves his paltry 5 months.</p>
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		<title>By: Here We Go: The MSM Lines Up Against USA In Hamdan Case : Stop The ACLU</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/08/06/aclu-crying-about-osamas-drivers-conviction/comment-page-1/#comment-93306</link>
		<dc:creator>Here We Go: The MSM Lines Up Against USA In Hamdan Case : Stop The ACLU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The ACLU and other leftist organizations would pitch hissy fits. Mission accomplished [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Here We Go: The MSM Lines Up Against USA In Hamdan Case &#187; Pirate&#8217;s Cove&#160;&#8212;&#160;Give No Quarter!</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/08/06/aclu-crying-about-osamas-drivers-conviction/comment-page-1/#comment-93305</link>
		<dc:creator>Here We Go: The MSM Lines Up Against USA In Hamdan Case &#187; Pirate&#8217;s Cove&#160;&#8212;&#160;Give No Quarter!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The ACLU and other leftist organizations would pitch hissy fits. Mission accomplished [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/08/06/aclu-crying-about-osamas-drivers-conviction/comment-page-1/#comment-93284</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How does one “merit it”?

Uhh, let’s see… by not being a terrorist or violating the Geneva Convention by fighting as a partisan?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I misunderstood your pronoun. I thought you meant he didn&#039;t merit a meaningful legal proceeding.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Giving Hamdan, who could have been summarily executed on the battlefield, any rights at all makes as much sense as prosecuting someone for slapping a death-row inmate as he get strapped into the chair.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There are times in a man&#039;s life when he has an extreme amount of control over another man&#039;s life. 
- A jury that sentences a man to death.
- A soldier in a tense situation may have authority to either shoot or capture.
- A person may witness a stranger choking. 
- A homeowner may shoot an intruder if he has reason to believe his life is in danger.

In each case, the first person has momentary control over the second person&#039;s fate. In no case, does voluntary lenience grant the first person perpetual control over the second person.

&lt;blockquote&gt;As for your sophistry to Christoper Hamilton regarding Civil Liberties&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. It is not sophistry to define the scope of a conversation. I cited a reputable definition of a phrase that was in dispute. My use of the phrase was accurate. The discussion is about the degree to which the people in question have civil liberties. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;terrorists now have more rights than other federal prisoners because they can apply for habeas corpus in any court instead of only one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t think I&#039;d trade my rights for theirs. I think my rights to a speedy trial, to have a jury of my peers, to face my accusers, to challenge evidence presented against me, to reasonable bail.... Nah, I just can&#039;t see myself trading those for a couple extra cracks at habeas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How does one “merit it”?</p>
<p>Uhh, let’s see… by not being a terrorist or violating the Geneva Convention by fighting as a partisan?</p></blockquote>
<p>I misunderstood your pronoun. I thought you meant he didn&#8217;t merit a meaningful legal proceeding.</p>
<blockquote><p>Giving Hamdan, who could have been summarily executed on the battlefield, any rights at all makes as much sense as prosecuting someone for slapping a death-row inmate as he get strapped into the chair.</p></blockquote>
<p>There are times in a man&#8217;s life when he has an extreme amount of control over another man&#8217;s life.<br />
- A jury that sentences a man to death.<br />
- A soldier in a tense situation may have authority to either shoot or capture.<br />
- A person may witness a stranger choking.<br />
- A homeowner may shoot an intruder if he has reason to believe his life is in danger.</p>
<p>In each case, the first person has momentary control over the second person&#8217;s fate. In no case, does voluntary lenience grant the first person perpetual control over the second person.</p>
<blockquote><p>As for your sophistry to Christoper Hamilton regarding Civil Liberties</p></blockquote>
<p>You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. It is not sophistry to define the scope of a conversation. I cited a reputable definition of a phrase that was in dispute. My use of the phrase was accurate. The discussion is about the degree to which the people in question have civil liberties. </p>
<blockquote><p>terrorists now have more rights than other federal prisoners because they can apply for habeas corpus in any court instead of only one.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d trade my rights for theirs. I think my rights to a speedy trial, to have a jury of my peers, to face my accusers, to challenge evidence presented against me, to reasonable bail&#8230;. Nah, I just can&#8217;t see myself trading those for a couple extra cracks at habeas.</p>
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		<title>By: Panday</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/08/06/aclu-crying-about-osamas-drivers-conviction/comment-page-1/#comment-93278</link>
		<dc:creator>Panday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How does one “merit it”?&lt;/i&gt;

Uhh, let&#039;s see... by not being a terrorist or violating the Geneva Convention by fighting as a partisan?

Giving Hamdan, who could have been summarily executed on the battlefield, any rights at all makes as much sense as prosecuting someone for slapping a death-row inmate as he get strapped into the chair.

As for your sophistry to Christoper Hamilton regarding Civil Liberties, terrorists now have more rights than other federal prisoners because they can apply for habeas corpus in any court instead of only one.  That&#039;s thanks to the decision your precious little world-law-loving Ginsburg and betrayer-Souter handed down.

This is complete moral and legal insanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How does one “merit it”?</i></p>
<p>Uhh, let&#8217;s see&#8230; by not being a terrorist or violating the Geneva Convention by fighting as a partisan?</p>
<p>Giving Hamdan, who could have been summarily executed on the battlefield, any rights at all makes as much sense as prosecuting someone for slapping a death-row inmate as he get strapped into the chair.</p>
<p>As for your sophistry to Christoper Hamilton regarding Civil Liberties, terrorists now have more rights than other federal prisoners because they can apply for habeas corpus in any court instead of only one.  That&#8217;s thanks to the decision your precious little world-law-loving Ginsburg and betrayer-Souter handed down.</p>
<p>This is complete moral and legal insanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/08/06/aclu-crying-about-osamas-drivers-conviction/comment-page-1/#comment-93272</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This isn’t a matter of civil liberties though.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Civil Liberties&lt;/a&gt;: noun. freedom from arbitrary governmental interference (as with the right of free speech) specifically by denial of governmental power and in the United States especially as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights —usually used in plural

That sure sounds like what we&#039;re talking about. You and I seem to disagree on which, if any, liberties suspected combatants should have, but &quot;civil liberties&quot; is definitely the correct word to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This isn’t a matter of civil liberties though.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="" rel="nofollow">Civil Liberties</a>: noun. freedom from arbitrary governmental interference (as with the right of free speech) specifically by denial of governmental power and in the United States especially as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights —usually used in plural</p>
<p>That sure sounds like what we&#8217;re talking about. You and I seem to disagree on which, if any, liberties suspected combatants should have, but &#8220;civil liberties&#8221; is definitely the correct word to use.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/08/06/aclu-crying-about-osamas-drivers-conviction/comment-page-1/#comment-93271</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t a matter of civil liberties though. I find it outrageous foreign terrorists have the same rights as me. The Supreme Court is sending our country down the wrong path. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://gasovercigarettes.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Christopher Hamilton&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t a matter of civil liberties though. I find it outrageous foreign terrorists have the same rights as me. The Supreme Court is sending our country down the wrong path. </p>
<p><a href="http://gasovercigarettes.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Christopher Hamilton</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/08/06/aclu-crying-about-osamas-drivers-conviction/comment-page-1/#comment-93270</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;At what point do liberals finally face reality and quit relying on sophistry?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You should ask one. I&#039;m a libertarian, so it&#039;s just a coincidence that I tend to agree with liberals on matters of civil liberties. 

If we spent a few minutes talking about economics, you would find that we have a lot of common ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>At what point do liberals finally face reality and quit relying on sophistry?</p></blockquote>
<p>You should ask one. I&#8217;m a libertarian, so it&#8217;s just a coincidence that I tend to agree with liberals on matters of civil liberties. </p>
<p>If we spent a few minutes talking about economics, you would find that we have a lot of common ground.</p>
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