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		<title>By: Warner Todd Huston</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/07/10/feminists-truly-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-91692</link>
		<dc:creator>Warner Todd Huston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, you think advocating to stop abuse of women is a bad thing?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you think advocating to stop abuse of women is a bad thing?</p>
<p>Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Male Rights Network</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/07/10/feminists-truly-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-91691</link>
		<dc:creator>Male Rights Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, while we&#039;re at it; let&#039;s not export MTV bra-burning feminism to the Middle East either, okay?

Because that&#039;s exactly what the US Administration and Army is doing.  Shame on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, while we&#8217;re at it; let&#8217;s not export MTV bra-burning feminism to the Middle East either, okay?</p>
<p>Because that&#8217;s exactly what the US Administration and Army is doing.  Shame on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Male Rights Network</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/07/10/feminists-truly-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-91690</link>
		<dc:creator>Male Rights Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are utterly deluded if you think Western feminists are turning a blind eye to the non-feminist culture of Muslim societies.  When it comes to moral vigilantism, or honour killings, women/feminists in the West fill up reams of column space on the issue.  The vast majority of women/feminists here have no respect for Islamic culture, and want to see it go the way of Catholicism (which they have been eradicating since the 1950s): utterly lifeless.

Your article is really a pro-feminist one as it nonetheless brings up the feminist topics of critiquing Patriarchal religions/cultures such as Islam.  All the while with little contrast to the extremes of Western feminism in every day life, and with a lack of objective facts on the matter.

As for the Muslim woman, well I don&#039;t think you&#039;re an adherent to your religion at all.  Use of the feminist catchphrase &quot;violence against women&quot; could be an indicator of that.

Anyway, GIVE UP THIS ARGUMENT.  It&#039;s not washing with me or any other MRA anti-feminists who have brains.  Open your eyes to newspaper articles, books and TV programming which is highly critical of Patriarchal Islamic religion; and note that most of the criticism comes from Western women.  Unlike you, I am not blind or deaf to this.

Stop fighting feminists&#039; patch for them.  Let them dish out the anti-Patriarchal religion critiques.  We should be concentrated on anti-Western feminist critiques and try to avoid overlap as much as possible where we end up propagating their ideals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are utterly deluded if you think Western feminists are turning a blind eye to the non-feminist culture of Muslim societies.  When it comes to moral vigilantism, or honour killings, women/feminists in the West fill up reams of column space on the issue.  The vast majority of women/feminists here have no respect for Islamic culture, and want to see it go the way of Catholicism (which they have been eradicating since the 1950s): utterly lifeless.</p>
<p>Your article is really a pro-feminist one as it nonetheless brings up the feminist topics of critiquing Patriarchal religions/cultures such as Islam.  All the while with little contrast to the extremes of Western feminism in every day life, and with a lack of objective facts on the matter.</p>
<p>As for the Muslim woman, well I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re an adherent to your religion at all.  Use of the feminist catchphrase &#8220;violence against women&#8221; could be an indicator of that.</p>
<p>Anyway, GIVE UP THIS ARGUMENT.  It&#8217;s not washing with me or any other MRA anti-feminists who have brains.  Open your eyes to newspaper articles, books and TV programming which is highly critical of Patriarchal Islamic religion; and note that most of the criticism comes from Western women.  Unlike you, I am not blind or deaf to this.</p>
<p>Stop fighting feminists&#8217; patch for them.  Let them dish out the anti-Patriarchal religion critiques.  We should be concentrated on anti-Western feminist critiques and try to avoid overlap as much as possible where we end up propagating their ideals.</p>
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		<title>By: Iffit</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/07/10/feminists-truly-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-91512</link>
		<dc:creator>Iffit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is amazing how my arguments above are rejected by Mr Roger Gardner because of one sentence. Thats what I call living in a world with democracy and freedom of speech, where people can debate like civilized human-beings. Just imagine this is what we are trying to export to the Middle East! I say Please don&#039;t export it! We desperately need democracy in the Western world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is amazing how my arguments above are rejected by Mr Roger Gardner because of one sentence. Thats what I call living in a world with democracy and freedom of speech, where people can debate like civilized human-beings. Just imagine this is what we are trying to export to the Middle East! I say Please don&#8217;t export it! We desperately need democracy in the Western world!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger W. Gardner</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/07/10/feminists-truly-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-91485</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger W. Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Ms. Sheeley -- Thanks to some courageous women such as yourself the plight of Islamic women around the world has been brought to light. On this subject you might be interested in checking out my sidebar, about halfway down, just under the RCP banner.
http://radarsite.blogspot.com/
Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of a lot of the mainstream women&#039;s orgs or publications. Which makes your work all the more meaningful.
Nice meeting you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Ms. Sheeley &#8212; Thanks to some courageous women such as yourself the plight of Islamic women around the world has been brought to light. On this subject you might be interested in checking out my sidebar, about halfway down, just under the RCP banner.<br />
<a href="http://radarsite.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://radarsite.blogspot.com/</a><br />
Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of a lot of the mainstream women&#8217;s orgs or publications. Which makes your work all the more meaningful.<br />
Nice meeting you.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger W. Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger W. Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Iffit --&quot;we take into consideration that the War on Terror was based on lies lies and more lies&quot;
This one phrase will serve to end my conversation with you Iffit. To pursue it further would be pointless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Iffit &#8211;&#8221;we take into consideration that the War on Terror was based on lies lies and more lies&#8221;<br />
This one phrase will serve to end my conversation with you Iffit. To pursue it further would be pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: Iffit</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/07/10/feminists-truly-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-91483</link>
		<dc:creator>Iffit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Gardner what makes you think that I am an Islamist? Do you even know what an Islamist is? I also wonder what exactly it is that I am saying which makes you believe that I am defending &quot;the monsters&quot;. Are these men monsters? I prefer not to call them monsters. I would much rather try to understand how these men think and what can we do to PREVENT all forms of domestic abuse. Bbrushing these men aside and ignoring the dynamics in the society, in the home will not help in solving these problems.

If I use your logic Mr Gardner:
Can we also say that Bush and Blair and the whole estableshment is run by monsters when we take into consideration that the War on Terror was based on lies lies and more lies? Can we we call them monsters when reports show that millions of women and children are suffering as a result of the occupation? Womens&#039; position in Iraq is worse today than it was under Saddam Hussein. People cannot afford to pay for medical care, there is water and electricity shortages. health care which was free undr the Baath party is now unaffordable. Education was also free and most women were free. The Baath party managed to reduce illiteracy but since the US imposed 1991 sanctions the illiteracy rate has risen and there are more deaths among infants. The only thing conveniently functioning is the oil fields thanks to the good ole&#039; US and UK! 

I totally agree with Ms Sheeley that feminists have been far from silent on the issue of honour killings or suppression of women. In Europe that is basically the only   subject which has been mentioned in the media continuously since the so-called War on Terror was put into action. I know this because it is my job to analyse the media and to write commentaries. There is no focus on the rights of minorty women to education, work, housing, or equal opportunities in higher positions. In Scandianvia highly educated Muslim women are offered menial jobs: cleaning, health assistants, kindergardent assistants. We have laws protecting womens rights. What we need now is to empower them in Europe.

Emancipation of the Muslim women is not only from her so-called &quot;backward culture and society&quot; as many believe it to be- but emancipation from the shackles of white society which views her as nothing else but suppressed, passive and subjugated.

We are so much more than just the some of some Oriental fantasies or the front cover of some tabloid story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Gardner what makes you think that I am an Islamist? Do you even know what an Islamist is? I also wonder what exactly it is that I am saying which makes you believe that I am defending &#8220;the monsters&#8221;. Are these men monsters? I prefer not to call them monsters. I would much rather try to understand how these men think and what can we do to PREVENT all forms of domestic abuse. Bbrushing these men aside and ignoring the dynamics in the society, in the home will not help in solving these problems.</p>
<p>If I use your logic Mr Gardner:<br />
Can we also say that Bush and Blair and the whole estableshment is run by monsters when we take into consideration that the War on Terror was based on lies lies and more lies? Can we we call them monsters when reports show that millions of women and children are suffering as a result of the occupation? Womens&#8217; position in Iraq is worse today than it was under Saddam Hussein. People cannot afford to pay for medical care, there is water and electricity shortages. health care which was free undr the Baath party is now unaffordable. Education was also free and most women were free. The Baath party managed to reduce illiteracy but since the US imposed 1991 sanctions the illiteracy rate has risen and there are more deaths among infants. The only thing conveniently functioning is the oil fields thanks to the good ole&#8217; US and UK! </p>
<p>I totally agree with Ms Sheeley that feminists have been far from silent on the issue of honour killings or suppression of women. In Europe that is basically the only   subject which has been mentioned in the media continuously since the so-called War on Terror was put into action. I know this because it is my job to analyse the media and to write commentaries. There is no focus on the rights of minorty women to education, work, housing, or equal opportunities in higher positions. In Scandianvia highly educated Muslim women are offered menial jobs: cleaning, health assistants, kindergardent assistants. We have laws protecting womens rights. What we need now is to empower them in Europe.</p>
<p>Emancipation of the Muslim women is not only from her so-called &#8220;backward culture and society&#8221; as many believe it to be- but emancipation from the shackles of white society which views her as nothing else but suppressed, passive and subjugated.</p>
<p>We are so much more than just the some of some Oriental fantasies or the front cover of some tabloid story.</p>
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		<title>By: ERS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ERS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, not all Western feminists have been silent on these matters.  I&#039;ve been working on this issue for years, and I blogged about this case before anyone in the mainstream media was calling it a dishonor killing (http://www.redroom.com/blog/ellen-r-sheeley/there-was-another-american-dishonor-killing-today).  

One of the challenges we face is lack of funding, though.  Another is safety.

Ellen R. Sheeley, Author
&quot;Reclaiming Honor in Jordan&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, not all Western feminists have been silent on these matters.  I&#8217;ve been working on this issue for years, and I blogged about this case before anyone in the mainstream media was calling it a dishonor killing (<a href="http://www.redroom.com/blog/ellen-r-sheeley/there-was-another-american-dishonor-killing-today)" rel="nofollow">http://www.redroom.com/blog/ellen-r-sheeley/there-was-another-american-dishonor-killing-today)</a>.  </p>
<p>One of the challenges we face is lack of funding, though.  Another is safety.</p>
<p>Ellen R. Sheeley, Author<br />
&#8220;Reclaiming Honor in Jordan&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Roger W. Gardner</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/07/10/feminists-truly-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-91477</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger W. Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo Iffit! You&#039;ve done a remarkable job of coming to the defense of the monsters.
Now, let me see, who shall I believe in this controversy -- Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Nonie Darwish, the redoubtable Brigitte Gabriel, or this mysterious Islamist apologist Iffit? 
Now, that&#039;s really a tough one.

I&#039;m afraid that Mr. Huston is the one who has caught up with reality. While you, of course, are welcome to continue living in your fragile world of delusions and denial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo Iffit! You&#8217;ve done a remarkable job of coming to the defense of the monsters.<br />
Now, let me see, who shall I believe in this controversy &#8212; Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Nonie Darwish, the redoubtable Brigitte Gabriel, or this mysterious Islamist apologist Iffit?<br />
Now, that&#8217;s really a tough one.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid that Mr. Huston is the one who has caught up with reality. While you, of course, are welcome to continue living in your fragile world of delusions and denial.</p>
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		<title>By: Iffit</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/07/10/feminists-truly-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-91476</link>
		<dc:creator>Iffit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im a Muslim women and Im proud of it. 
Am I beaten, raped, suppressed? 
No. 

Am I wrapped up in meters of material by my male family members?
No.

Do I have to shepherd 6 children each time I go out shopping? 

Are my parents trying to marry me off?
No! 

Infact the only person who is attempting to marry me off is my single British friend who seems to think that a forced arranged-marriage would be a good thing for everyone past thirty and anyone else who finds it difficult to find a partner!

Mr Warner Huston has to seriously get real. How many women of muslim origin has he actually come face to face with to discuss with THEY want or wish? (I suggest that he reads &quot;Who speakes for Islam?&quot; by Esposito and Mogahed. Instead the frontpages of the tabloid newspapers).

You see the problem with these discussions is that peoples assumptions are based on headlines. They are based on sensationalised news coverages. 

The murder of the Pakistani women is horrific, so is the murder of an Indian man of his sons African-American wife and so is the murder of Adeline Weber by her husband in  Lincolnshire. 

There are many so called &quot;honour killings&quot; but none confined to one religious or ethnic group. By confining these incidents to Islam or &quot;those who hate the West&quot; (God whats wrong with you people - maybe you suffer from some kind of paranoida but who would blame you with Bush as president!) is not helping to find a solution to this problem.

I prefer to see these cases as violence and suppression of women, which is a universal problem. According to the link below in the USA alone 3 million women are abused by their partners each year.  And on average, more than three women are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends in the USA every day. In 2000, 1,247 women were killed by an intimate partner. The same year, 440 men were killed by an intimate partner.

http://endabuse.org/resources/facts/

Lets discuss the similarities and how violence against women can be internationally combated. Mr Warner Huston can perhaps start by catching up with reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im a Muslim women and Im proud of it.<br />
Am I beaten, raped, suppressed?<br />
No. </p>
<p>Am I wrapped up in meters of material by my male family members?<br />
No.</p>
<p>Do I have to shepherd 6 children each time I go out shopping? </p>
<p>Are my parents trying to marry me off?<br />
No! </p>
<p>Infact the only person who is attempting to marry me off is my single British friend who seems to think that a forced arranged-marriage would be a good thing for everyone past thirty and anyone else who finds it difficult to find a partner!</p>
<p>Mr Warner Huston has to seriously get real. How many women of muslim origin has he actually come face to face with to discuss with THEY want or wish? (I suggest that he reads &#8220;Who speakes for Islam?&#8221; by Esposito and Mogahed. Instead the frontpages of the tabloid newspapers).</p>
<p>You see the problem with these discussions is that peoples assumptions are based on headlines. They are based on sensationalised news coverages. </p>
<p>The murder of the Pakistani women is horrific, so is the murder of an Indian man of his sons African-American wife and so is the murder of Adeline Weber by her husband in  Lincolnshire. </p>
<p>There are many so called &#8220;honour killings&#8221; but none confined to one religious or ethnic group. By confining these incidents to Islam or &#8220;those who hate the West&#8221; (God whats wrong with you people &#8211; maybe you suffer from some kind of paranoida but who would blame you with Bush as president!) is not helping to find a solution to this problem.</p>
<p>I prefer to see these cases as violence and suppression of women, which is a universal problem. According to the link below in the USA alone 3 million women are abused by their partners each year.  And on average, more than three women are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends in the USA every day. In 2000, 1,247 women were killed by an intimate partner. The same year, 440 men were killed by an intimate partner.</p>
<p><a href="http://endabuse.org/resources/facts/" rel="nofollow">http://endabuse.org/resources/facts/</a></p>
<p>Lets discuss the similarities and how violence against women can be internationally combated. Mr Warner Huston can perhaps start by catching up with reality.</p>
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