Comments on: ACLU to Sue Over FISA Bill

By: ACLU Sues Over FISA : RichieMiles.Com

ACLU Sues Over FISA : RichieMiles.Com — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:40:57 +0000

[...] to John at Stop the ACLU! for the blogburst. Go here for the original entry and to find more [...]

By: kender

kender — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:48:57 +0000

Phil, I am indeed taking meds for that condition. I am on Tryphorgettin in an attempt get over the left’s incessant socialist attacks, Fukitol to counter the constant political activism I am suffering from, and Sarcasma to silence that little inner voice that causes me to wonder out loud if my fellow citizens are really so paranoid and gullible.

The ACLU, just to refresh your memory, complained about wiretapping by the government because, as they said, it was hindering them in speaking with overseas clients.

Just what “clients” the AMERICAN civil liberties union would have overseas is beyond me and why they would be worried that our government would be listening in when we all know that the government is chasing terrorists and the ACLU would never have anything to do with terrorists, ever, just boggles my mind.

Oh wait, wasn’t it the ACLU in conjunction with Lynne Stewart that defended the Blind Sheik for the first world trade center bombing? What happened to that lady?

OH YEAH……SHE WENT TO JAIL FOR AIDING A TERRORIST!!!!

And the ACLU tried to keep her out saying she was just “defending her client.”

Damn straight I wanna stop the aclu (hence the website name (I’m a founding member BTW) because if we don’t there won’t be a country to save.

By: Phil

Phil — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:38:20 +0000

kender, I’m sorry to have “galled” you, perhaps there’s some over-the-counter medication for that nowadays. Requiring a warrant to wiretap American citizens is not “[giving] our enemies almost free rein to plot attacks on us”. It is a necessary safeguard against abuse, and one that is guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States that every Congressman and President swears to defend. The coming court battle over the amended FISA will bear that out, and your right to privacy will be protected yet again by the same ACLU you wish to stop.

By: kender

kender — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:23:49 +0000

told ya

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:17:01 +0000

“Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.” – Ben Franklin

By: Ironic Surrealism II

Ironic Surrealism II — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:40:32 +0000

Stop The ACLU Blogburst: ACLU to Sue Over FISA…

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Today, in a blatant assault upon civil liberties and the right to privacy, the Senate passed an unconstitutional domestic spying bill that violates the Fourth Amendment and eliminates any meaningful role for judici…

By: Rosemary's News and Ideas

Rosemary's News and Ideas — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:29:01 +0000

Michael Yon: Moment of Truth in Iraq…

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By: Rosemary's Thoughts

Rosemary's Thoughts — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:27:07 +0000

Michael Yon: Moment of Truth in Iraq…

By: kender

kender — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:48:19 +0000

what is shocking, phil, is that the democrats so easily tie the hands of our government as it relates to going after our enemies using whatever means necessary. The fact that the democrats give the government free rein on taxing our money and spending it on damn near useless social programs is almost as large a problem as stopping the feds from going after terrorists.

What really galls me is folks such as yourself that would give our enemies almost free rein to plot attacks on us.

I know the old quote from Franklin about giving up liberty for security (I just know someone will toss that one in this fight soon enough) but let me give one that is even more apropos;

“A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means.”

Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John B. Colvin, 20th, Spet. 1810

By: phillipe

phillipe — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:39:51 +0000

I think the Troung (sp?) holds that communications to and from foreign groups can be monitored without violating the 4th Amendment as long as the monitoring is for intelligence gathering and not a criminal prosecution.

Given that the right to privacy is implied rather than express (although i wholeheartedly agree that such a right should be implied albeit without as much vigor as those that are expressed), I really don’t see how the monitoring of a call to someone on a terrorist watch list or someone that is reasonably believed to have terrorist connections is in violation of the Bill of Rights. However, from what I hear, FISA is much broader than this.

Anyone actually read the statute? I am probably not smart enough to digest the legalease.