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	<title>Comments on: ACLU Blog Meltdown: Losing Faith in the Soul Sucking Senate</title>
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		<title>By: adk46er</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/07/09/aclu-blog-meltdown-losing-faith-in-the-soul-sucking-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-91337</link>
		<dc:creator>adk46er</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand why there is some confusion about the origin of the expression: THE DIE HAS BEEN CAST, since once you&#039;ve made the mold you can&#039;t go back... 

in any event dye casting or casting the dye makes no sense at all and with all due respect to PrivatePig, the idea the expression commonly used for an irrevocable decision has anything to do with printing is pure BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand why there is some confusion about the origin of the expression: THE DIE HAS BEEN CAST, since once you&#8217;ve made the mold you can&#8217;t go back&#8230; </p>
<p>in any event dye casting or casting the dye makes no sense at all and with all due respect to PrivatePig, the idea the expression commonly used for an irrevocable decision has anything to do with printing is pure BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Two Dogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Two Dogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>adk46er, thanks for the history, I was one of those that just always assumed it was about tool-making.  But, the spelling is still &quot;die.&quot;

Ha, I said &quot;tool.&quot;

heheheheheh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>adk46er, thanks for the history, I was one of those that just always assumed it was about tool-making.  But, the spelling is still &#8220;die.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ha, I said &#8220;tool.&#8221;</p>
<p>heheheheheh.</p>
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		<title>By: adk46er</title>
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		<dc:creator>adk46er</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and I think casting the dye is actually correct&quot;

NFW. Many people think this expressiion is related to die casting (a metal template molding process). The origin of the expression is much older. Its from 
Julius Caesar&#039;s crossing of the Rubicon river. The &quot;die&quot; is a gambling die, and &quot;cast&quot; means thrown.  The
phrase means &quot;An irrevocable decision has been made. Doesn&#039;t anyone take Latin anymore?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and I think casting the dye is actually correct&#8221;</p>
<p>NFW. Many people think this expressiion is related to die casting (a metal template molding process). The origin of the expression is much older. Its from<br />
Julius Caesar&#8217;s crossing of the Rubicon river. The &#8220;die&#8221; is a gambling die, and &#8220;cast&#8221; means thrown.  The<br />
phrase means &#8220;An irrevocable decision has been made. Doesn&#8217;t anyone take Latin anymore?</p>
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		<title>By: PrivatePig</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/07/09/aclu-blog-meltdown-losing-faith-in-the-soul-sucking-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-91303</link>
		<dc:creator>PrivatePig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I think &quot;casting the dye&quot; is actually correct... With printing, and art, etc., I think you can lay down a print, or whatever, and then throw in the color, or the ink, er, &quot;cast the dye.&quot; It&#039;s sort of making it permanent, or something...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I think &#8220;casting the dye&#8221; is actually correct&#8230; With printing, and art, etc., I think you can lay down a print, or whatever, and then throw in the color, or the ink, er, &#8220;cast the dye.&#8221; It&#8217;s sort of making it permanent, or something&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PrivatePig</title>
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		<dc:creator>PrivatePig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it is an invasion of a privacy right, but when the cops smell a meth lab in your basement and kick in the door, that is also, not-so-technically, an invasion of your privacy, right? Should the cops not be able to kick in the door in such a circumstance simply because it is an &quot;invasion of privacy&quot;? Of course not.

Whether or not tapping a phone call is an invasion of privacy is sort of moot. There are lots of times when the government surely has a right to invade your privacy, so that cannot, alone, be the standard. The question is: where do we draw the line - when does the invasion become too much? 

When they are listening to phone calls of would-be terrorists, that&#039;s on the &quot;OK&quot; side of the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it is an invasion of a privacy right, but when the cops smell a meth lab in your basement and kick in the door, that is also, not-so-technically, an invasion of your privacy, right? Should the cops not be able to kick in the door in such a circumstance simply because it is an &#8220;invasion of privacy&#8221;? Of course not.</p>
<p>Whether or not tapping a phone call is an invasion of privacy is sort of moot. There are lots of times when the government surely has a right to invade your privacy, so that cannot, alone, be the standard. The question is: where do we draw the line &#8211; when does the invasion become too much? </p>
<p>When they are listening to phone calls of would-be terrorists, that&#8217;s on the &#8220;OK&#8221; side of the line.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogburst: ACLU to Sue Over FISA Act Passage &#171; Rosemary&#8217;s News and Ideas</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/07/09/aclu-blog-meltdown-losing-faith-in-the-soul-sucking-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-91269</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogburst: ACLU to Sue Over FISA Act Passage &#171; Rosemary&#8217;s News and Ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I just received this update about one of the members of the ACLU&#8217;s disappointment (and the ACLU blog). I thought you may want to know how they react when they lose. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I just received this update about one of the members of the ACLU&#8217;s disappointment (and the ACLU blog). I thought you may want to know how they react when they lose. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: phillipe</title>
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		<dc:creator>phillipe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron - I understand you are not a leftist/Democrat. I&#039;m sorry for the unintended insult. I was just commenting that this Bill is being passed in a Democrat controlled Congress.

However, it really irks me when people (not even you necessarily) name drop the 4th Amendment as a blanket cover to whatever their agenda might be. Even if the Supreme Court declares FISA constitutional (which I have my reservations considering the 4 dissenting votes in the Heller opinion), then the rhetoric will become that the COURTS now don&#039;t know anything about the 4th Amendment, not just the President.  

Because of the national nature of the telecom industry, this might fall under the Feds Commerce power, but my knowledge of Con law is really shaky when it comes to that area so I can not say for certain. With Stevens first deciding on his ruling and then working backwards to come up with reasoning, you might even end up being right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron &#8211; I understand you are not a leftist/Democrat. I&#8217;m sorry for the unintended insult. I was just commenting that this Bill is being passed in a Democrat controlled Congress.</p>
<p>However, it really irks me when people (not even you necessarily) name drop the 4th Amendment as a blanket cover to whatever their agenda might be. Even if the Supreme Court declares FISA constitutional (which I have my reservations considering the 4 dissenting votes in the Heller opinion), then the rhetoric will become that the COURTS now don&#8217;t know anything about the 4th Amendment, not just the President.  </p>
<p>Because of the national nature of the telecom industry, this might fall under the Feds Commerce power, but my knowledge of Con law is really shaky when it comes to that area so I can not say for certain. With Stevens first deciding on his ruling and then working backwards to come up with reasoning, you might even end up being right.</p>
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		<title>By: Two Dogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Two Dogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, sorry, I agree with phillipe, I can certainly read and the &quot;right to privacy&quot; is not in the Constitution, no matter what any court says.

But, I assume that your conception of &quot;right to privacy&quot; is about the unreasonable search and seizure.  I guess we will have to agree to disagree on what is exactly a &quot;reasonable&quot; search.  Personally, I think that if you are Muslim, any investigation is reasonable, including questioning you with a baseball bat, making you form pyramids with your fellow terrorists, covering you in pork rinds, and making mean dogs bark at you, but I am sure that there are plenty of people on the Right that would still disagree with me.  I am certainly not prejudiced against Muslims, I am saying that I believe them when they say that they want all of us dead.  I think that they are honest about that.

As far as the 10th, are you saying that if the states (instead of the Fed) passed legislation saying that it was okay to tap your phone without a warrant, that you are cool with that?  Because in my limited understanding of legal stuff, it seems that the political climate that we have now, the ACLU and their ilk have taken to slashing apart state legislation on anything that they find disagreeable.  Including not killing child rapists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, sorry, I agree with phillipe, I can certainly read and the &#8220;right to privacy&#8221; is not in the Constitution, no matter what any court says.</p>
<p>But, I assume that your conception of &#8220;right to privacy&#8221; is about the unreasonable search and seizure.  I guess we will have to agree to disagree on what is exactly a &#8220;reasonable&#8221; search.  Personally, I think that if you are Muslim, any investigation is reasonable, including questioning you with a baseball bat, making you form pyramids with your fellow terrorists, covering you in pork rinds, and making mean dogs bark at you, but I am sure that there are plenty of people on the Right that would still disagree with me.  I am certainly not prejudiced against Muslims, I am saying that I believe them when they say that they want all of us dead.  I think that they are honest about that.</p>
<p>As far as the 10th, are you saying that if the states (instead of the Fed) passed legislation saying that it was okay to tap your phone without a warrant, that you are cool with that?  Because in my limited understanding of legal stuff, it seems that the political climate that we have now, the ACLU and their ilk have taken to slashing apart state legislation on anything that they find disagreeable.  Including not killing child rapists.</p>
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		<title>By: regularron</title>
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		<dc:creator>regularron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two Dogs...I see you&#039;re point my friend.But the &quot;right to privacy&quot; in the 4th Amendment is there. And yes, the 10th Amendment. That Amendment as been trashed more than any of them, in my opion.

And Phil...What did I say that makes you think I&#039;m a Democrat? Honestly, what did I say? Was it my defense of the 4th Amendment or, my veiled attempt to say the 10th Amendmend makes clear the Feds don&#039;t have this much power. I.E.States Rights. ...Now again, did I say anything slightly Leftist?

By the, I&#039;m a Libertarian, who once was a proud Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two Dogs&#8230;I see you&#8217;re point my friend.But the &#8220;right to privacy&#8221; in the 4th Amendment is there. And yes, the 10th Amendment. That Amendment as been trashed more than any of them, in my opion.</p>
<p>And Phil&#8230;What did I say that makes you think I&#8217;m a Democrat? Honestly, what did I say? Was it my defense of the 4th Amendment or, my veiled attempt to say the 10th Amendmend makes clear the Feds don&#8217;t have this much power. I.E.States Rights. &#8230;Now again, did I say anything slightly Leftist?</p>
<p>By the, I&#8217;m a Libertarian, who once was a proud Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: Velvet Hammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Velvet Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps O can fix poor little Amanda&#039;s soul...

&quot;…That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the only person in this who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation.&quot; - M.O. 

...or maybe not. 

Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps O can fix poor little Amanda&#8217;s soul&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;…That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the only person in this who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation.&#8221; &#8211; M.O. </p>
<p>&#8230;or maybe not. </p>
<p>Heh.</p>
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