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	<title>Comments on: Naked Media Bias: LA Times and CA marriage poll</title>
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	<description>Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer</description>
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		<title>By: G.F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 12:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin

The primary issue, whether the poll accurately reflects the the views of CA or not, is the LA Times&#039; unwillingness to tell the truth about the numbers the paper itself collected and the reporters&#039; fabrication of &quot;facts.&quot;

I agree, the poll is screwy.

BTW -- the marriage amendment is not a &quot;ban.&quot;  It protects marriage from ANY redefinition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin</p>
<p>The primary issue, whether the poll accurately reflects the the views of CA or not, is the LA Times&#8217; unwillingness to tell the truth about the numbers the paper itself collected and the reporters&#8217; fabrication of &#8220;facts.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree, the poll is screwy.</p>
<p>BTW &#8212; the marriage amendment is not a &#8220;ban.&#8221;  It protects marriage from ANY redefinition.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 05:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the poll is very weird. First off it says 41% support same-sex marriage, yet only 35% are opposed to amending the constitution --- euhm okay....

then it says it&#039;s nearly tied when Arnold says he&#039;s against amending the constitution....euhm, okay..if 54% wanted to amend the constitution that answer wouldn&#039;t have been tied.

If you look at the details of the poll, it&#039;s so weird....it says most people 65+ are opposed to amending the constitution, where as 18-34 years old are most likely to approve of the ban. I&#039;m sorry, but that&#039;s complete and utter garbage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the poll is very weird. First off it says 41% support same-sex marriage, yet only 35% are opposed to amending the constitution &#8212; euhm okay&#8230;.</p>
<p>then it says it&#8217;s nearly tied when Arnold says he&#8217;s against amending the constitution&#8230;.euhm, okay..if 54% wanted to amend the constitution that answer wouldn&#8217;t have been tied.</p>
<p>If you look at the details of the poll, it&#8217;s so weird&#8230;.it says most people 65+ are opposed to amending the constitution, where as 18-34 years old are most likely to approve of the ban. I&#8217;m sorry, but that&#8217;s complete and utter garbage.</p>
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		<title>By: Saturday Afternoon Laundry - Reproducing Like Rabbits - Time , An Ol&#8217; Broad&#8217;s Ramblings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saturday Afternoon Laundry - Reproducing Like Rabbits - Time , An Ol&#8217; Broad&#8217;s Ramblings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 23:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: golden phoenix</title>
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		<dc:creator>golden phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 22:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you realy trust polls taken by the L.A. SLIMES and any of the other left-wing news rags</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you realy trust polls taken by the L.A. SLIMES and any of the other left-wing news rags</p>
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		<title>By: Chairm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chairm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 04:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opinion surveys have “predicted” margins that under-estimate the actual Yes votes on marriage measures by, on average, 10%-plus.

There is no “undecided” or “don’t know” vote on the ballot so the *margin* in favor of Yes , as per the opinion survey results, is 19% and not 4%.

When the marrige statute was approved by California voters last time, the *margin* was 63 to 37 — i.e. a point spread of 26.

Take these observations together and the story is not as it was widely reported to be. The marriage amendment is not on the ropes. 

The Yes side appears to have received a boost from the Supreme Court decision that appeared just prior to this survey. 

That boost may fade, I dunno, however, if past trends in all marriage amendment campaigns are the recent history by which we can forsee the very near future, then, look for a repeat victory for the Yes side — by a very strong margin.

But campaigns are held for a reason. Winners do not stay home — neither as defeatists based on pre-emptive media reports of failure, not as triumphalists who count their chickens before their eggs have hatched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opinion surveys have “predicted” margins that under-estimate the actual Yes votes on marriage measures by, on average, 10%-plus.</p>
<p>There is no “undecided” or “don’t know” vote on the ballot so the *margin* in favor of Yes , as per the opinion survey results, is 19% and not 4%.</p>
<p>When the marrige statute was approved by California voters last time, the *margin* was 63 to 37 — i.e. a point spread of 26.</p>
<p>Take these observations together and the story is not as it was widely reported to be. The marriage amendment is not on the ropes. </p>
<p>The Yes side appears to have received a boost from the Supreme Court decision that appeared just prior to this survey. </p>
<p>That boost may fade, I dunno, however, if past trends in all marriage amendment campaigns are the recent history by which we can forsee the very near future, then, look for a repeat victory for the Yes side — by a very strong margin.</p>
<p>But campaigns are held for a reason. Winners do not stay home — neither as defeatists based on pre-emptive media reports of failure, not as triumphalists who count their chickens before their eggs have hatched.</p>
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