Comments on: Petition Opposing California Homosexual Marriage Ruling http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/05/22/petition-opposing-california-homosexual-marriage-ruling/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:26:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Katy Perry http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/05/22/petition-opposing-california-homosexual-marriage-ruling/comment-page-1/#comment-86923 Katy Perry Mon, 26 May 2008 03:52:04 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=8594#comment-86923 This petition is probably the most ignorant thing I've heard of besides the ban on gay marriage around the country. Everyone has a right to make a choice. Everyone should be able to live their own lives get married to whoever they choose regardless if man or woman. Marriage is not between a man and a woman. Marriage is about love and that is what these close minded people need to realize. Everyone deserves the same rights. This is suppose to be the land of the free. What a hoax! There are several other countries that allow gay marriage and this is the land of the free? This petition is probably the most ignorant thing I’ve heard of besides the ban on gay marriage around the country. Everyone has a right to make a choice. Everyone should be able to live their own lives get married to whoever they choose regardless if man or woman. Marriage is not between a man and a woman. Marriage is about love and that is what these close minded people need to realize. Everyone deserves the same rights. This is suppose to be the land of the free. What a hoax! There are several other countries that allow gay marriage and this is the land of the free?

]]> By: Thomas http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/05/22/petition-opposing-california-homosexual-marriage-ruling/comment-page-1/#comment-86740 Thomas Fri, 23 May 2008 15:58:14 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=8594#comment-86740 I think this petition is a great idea. That's not because I agree with it, but because it shows how absolutely frothing insane with rage and fear homophobic bigots get. It also exposes the total logical fallacy of their position, which seems to be founded on one or both of the following sentiments: "I think gay sex is icky." and/or "My Bible says it's wrong." Obviously, neither of those sentiments are a basis for public policy. Once you remove them, there is no valid objection to allowing gay marriage. I think this petition is a great idea.

That’s not because I agree with it, but because it shows how absolutely frothing insane with rage and fear homophobic bigots get.

It also exposes the total logical fallacy of their position, which seems to be founded on one or both of the following sentiments:
“I think gay sex is icky.” and/or “My Bible says it’s wrong.”

Obviously, neither of those sentiments are a basis for public policy. Once you remove them, there is no valid objection to allowing gay marriage.

]]> By: Chuck Anziulewicz http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/05/22/petition-opposing-california-homosexual-marriage-ruling/comment-page-1/#comment-86677 Chuck Anziulewicz Thu, 22 May 2008 19:17:09 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=8594#comment-86677 It is not the courts' job to uphold the precise will of the majority of the people. That's what elections are for. The job of the courts is to uphold the Constitution, regardless of whether the necessary decisions fall in line with the will of the majority. It is up to the judges to determine, without bias from the rest of the population, what constitutes equality under the law, or equal protection. It seems more than obvious to me that to exclude Gays from the institution of marriage is a clear violation of any notion of "equality," and I have yet to see anyone dispute that on a rational level. Therefore, it is not "activism" on the part of judges to declare that Gay and Straight couples should be treated equally under the law, rather it is an example of judges performing their rightful duty. To those people out there who still suggest that social justice must be reached through the legislative process, rather than through the courts, I would point to the history of racial injustice in this country. While I could choose any number of cases to make my point, I'll start with the most obvious - Brown v Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas. As everyone knows, this is the ruling that essentially reversed the Plessy v Ferguson "separate but equal" doctrine. Without the decision of the court in Brown v Board, it is impossible to say when the schools of America would have begun to integrate, but I believe it is safe to say it would have been much later. At the time, the Brown v Board decision was just as unpopular with certain segments of the population as a decision today would be that grants Gay couples equal marriage rights. Looking back, I think we can all agree that the unpopularity of the decision did not make it wrong. When you're dealing with bigotry, a force which runs deeper than many would like to admit, it is often impossible to wait for the "legislative process" to do its work. There is no telling how long it will take a majority of the population to decide, on its own, that it is time to stop discriminating based on sexual orientation. I therefore believe that it is not only the right, but the obligation of the courts to step in and ensure that all citizens are able to enjoy the same rights under the law, as the spirit of the Constitution provides. It is not the courts’ job to uphold the precise will of the majority of the people. That’s what elections are for. The job of the courts is to uphold the Constitution, regardless of whether the necessary decisions fall in line with the will of the majority. It is up to the judges to determine, without bias from the rest of the population, what constitutes equality under the law, or equal protection. It seems more than obvious to me that to exclude Gays from the institution of marriage is a clear violation of any notion of “equality,” and I have yet to see anyone dispute that on a rational level. Therefore, it is not “activism” on the part of judges to declare that Gay and Straight couples should be treated equally under the law, rather it is an example of judges performing their rightful duty.
To those people out there who still suggest that social justice must be reached through the legislative process, rather than through the courts, I would point to the history of racial injustice in this country. While I could choose any number of cases to make my point, I’ll start with the most obvious – Brown v Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas. As everyone knows, this is the ruling that essentially reversed the Plessy v Ferguson “separate but equal” doctrine. Without the decision of the court in Brown v Board, it is impossible to say when the schools of America would have begun to integrate, but I believe it is safe to say it would have been much later. At the time, the Brown v Board decision was just as unpopular with certain segments of the population as a decision today would be that grants Gay couples equal marriage rights. Looking back, I think we can all agree that the unpopularity of the decision did not make it wrong.
When you’re dealing with bigotry, a force which runs deeper than many would like to admit, it is often impossible to wait for the “legislative process” to do its work. There is no telling how long it will take a majority of the population to decide, on its own, that it is time to stop discriminating based on sexual orientation. I therefore believe that it is not only the right, but the obligation of the courts to step in and ensure that all citizens are able to enjoy the same rights under the law, as the spirit of the Constitution provides.

]]> By: golden phoenix http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/05/22/petition-opposing-california-homosexual-marriage-ruling/comment-page-1/#comment-86663 golden phoenix Thu, 22 May 2008 16:35:01 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=8594#comment-86663 As usial those disgusting wretched liberal news rags sems to think those judges unethical imoeal ruling was great they howed disgusting pictures of those gay freaks kissing and coddling and the usial bunch of crappy letters from brainless liberal scumballs As usial those disgusting wretched liberal news rags sems to think those judges unethical imoeal ruling was great they howed disgusting pictures of those gay freaks kissing and coddling and the usial bunch of crappy letters from brainless liberal scumballs

]]> By: Petition. / Queerty http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/05/22/petition-opposing-california-homosexual-marriage-ruling/comment-page-1/#comment-86650 Petition. / Queerty Thu, 22 May 2008 13:39:05 +0000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/?p=8594#comment-86650 [...] Supreme Court to suspend it’s ruling pending the outcome of the vote of the people.” [Stop The ACLU] May 22, 2008 · Link · Respond Related Posts • 05.22.08: Browne, Ford: [...] [...] Supreme Court to suspend it’s ruling pending the outcome of the vote of the people.” [Stop The ACLU] May 22, 2008 · Link · Respond Related Posts • 05.22.08: Browne, Ford: [...]

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