More Leftist child abuse
Posted on April 20, 2008
This has got to be hoax…right? Right?
WND: Children’s hospital launches sex change for kids program
A doctor at the renowned Children’s Hospital Boston has launched a new program to drug children to delay puberty so they can decide whether they want a male or a female body, according to a report today in the Boston Globe.
Pediatric endocrinologist Norman Spack, 64, says he started the Gender Management Service Clinic because he found himself encountering 20-somethings who were “transgendered” and in good shape socially, “but they were having trouble getting their physique to conform to their identity.
If any child is actually poisoned and destroyed like this, whatever “doctor” is guilty should be jailed for many, many years. As for any “parents” that would approve it…same story…after the child’s father’s vigorous woodshedding.
In a question-and-answer session with Globe columnist Pagan Kennedy, she starts the apologetic for doing surgery on children by saying, “Little boys sob unless they’re allowed to wear dresses. The girls want to be called Luke, Ted, or James.”
“Until recently, children with cross-gender feelings rarely received modern medical care – and certainly not hormone shots. After all, who would allow a child to redesign his or her body?” she asks.
But Spack, she wrote, has started a clinic that “is one of the few in the world to give children treatments that change their bodies.”
She reports he uses drugs to delay puberty, “granting them a few more years before they develop bodies that are decidedly male or female.”
The last sentence in the above block quote is insanity. Since when do we treat mental illness with genital mutilation? These kids ALREADY have bodies that are “decidedly male or female.” I guess these “doctors” never got “The Talk” from their parents.
This is one of those sickening descents into madness that cannot be explained. We are not talking about children born with anomolous genitalia here. Most of the tragically confused people who claim they are “transgender” are born with their junk intact. What we are talking about is mentally ill people who have sunk so deeply into the depths of their disorder that they are willing to irreversibly mutilate their normal bodies.
The worst thing is, so many in the media just collaborate with this assault on truth and common sense. Remember the story from a couple of weeks ago about the “pregnant man?” Hard to believe this needs to be said — if you’re pregnant, you’re not a man. You’re what’s called a “woman.” You know, the one sex that can actually be pregnant. Guess Oprah and the rest of the media couldn’t figure that one out.
Since we are now poisoning kids with hormone overdoses when they really, really want to pretend they are something they are not, I wonder if we shouldn’t start prescribing LSD to schizophrenics. Or maybe the ones who think they are Napoleon…we exile them to Elba! Come on, it’s not silly. If one really, truly believes he is Napoleon, shouldn’t we all just play along? Or how about this: I have billionaire identity disorder. I really, truly believe that I am a billionaire. Shouldn’t someone buy me a house next to Bill Gates?
Note: For some reason, I am having trouble posting my response to Simone’s last post. Here it is:
H.O.
Normally a comment that is purely an attack would be deleted for that reason. However, this one will stay because it shows how the majority of people who think like you conduct themselves.
Now to get to people who are actually interested in rational discussion.
Simone–
“I’d like to correct you on the genetic determinacy of gender.”
I didn’t say you said “gender” was genetically determined. You wrote that “sexual orientation” is.
(For the life of me…I can’t seem to recover that link that contained your comment. Will you either confirm or deny if you have made the claim that “sexual orientation” is genetic?)
My point was, as I wrote in the comment to which you responded, that this has not been established in any serious study.
You have however, claimed that “Homosexuality, Transgenderism and other forms of gender variance are biologically determined.”
http://dexpectations.blogspot.com/2008/03/going-back-to-calinot-california-exodus.html
Again, you can’t make this type of statement. It is what you take on faith and what some “science” may have told you, but there is no serious study that has made this open and shut conclusion you have presented as fact. In fact, if you are born with a penis and testicles, you are BIOLOGICALLY male. You are still a male, no matter how badly you have mutilated yourself and no matter how many dresses hang in your closet. No matter what kind of surgery a male subjects himself to, he can never become female with the biological system that allows for the POTENTIAL conceive and carry a child. There is NO disputing THAT.
As to your apparent contradiction about “gender identity”:
“Gender Identity is established between around-about the ages of 3 and 7.” These are your words here:
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/comment/Coming-up-with-an-.3842778.jp
“Established” indicates origin, or beginning. That is why it seemed to be a contradiction. I guess I have to trust that you weren’t as clear as you meant to be.
“This a disorder. We agree. It is however, not psychological, but demonstrably biological in origin.”
This is another instance in which you state as fact something that has not been concluded in any serious study.
“Science at least takes the stand-point that you only believe something if you have demonstrable, repeatable evidence for it.”
Survey says…XXX. Science is just as politicized and open for abuse as religion. Your “burned at the stake by flat-earthers” cliche is just that, a cliche without much historical meat. The church was pretty comfortable with the idea of a spherical Earth for centuries before these mythical episodes.
Far more innocent poeple have been “burned at the stake,” or killed in other gruesome ways, in furtherance of an atheistic, science-is-god agenda. That, of course, is not to excuse the barbarism committed in the name of God (which has been carried out not according to God’s plan, but 180 degrees counter to it). The occultist NAZIs based their genocide on “science,” as you know. Communists killed more than 100 million according to the “science” of historical “progress” through the “inevitable” macroeconomic stages. Of course, the communists had to
“break a few eggs” — anyone who dissented was imprisoned, tortured and/or killed. The death toll of the entire centuries-long Inquisition was matched on an average DAY under the godless-by-design communist regimes.
I have seen you refer to the murder of sexually-confused people in a number of comment threads. I need to ask you a question:
Firstly, no one, obviously, should be murdered for any reason and no victim is more or less valuable as a human being than another. But how many murders of “transgendered” people have been carried out by Bible-believing Christians? I don’t think I have heard of one. We surely would have nothing but reports about where the vicious murderer went to church had a serious Christian murdered a sexually-confused person.
» Filed Under Child Exploitation, Homosexual Agenda, News, Psychology
Trackback URL
Comments
13 Responses to “More Leftist child abuse”
Leave a Reply
All modern medical research in the area of gender and sexuality point at it being due to chemical and structural differences in the brain, no different from somebody being born with Downs’ Syndrome, Autism or anything else. (Which were once also considered posession, just like being left-handed meant you were touched by the devil) I’m sure you would not deny sufferers of those conditions treatment were such ever discovered or devised.
Now I have no doubt that this claim will be refuted and denied, but I urge you to study this matter carefully and objectively before arbitrarily passing judgement. God does not make mistakes, but chemical and environmental stresses, radiation, diet – everything has an impact on how foetuses develop, and there is a lot that can go off the game plan in the twelve weeks between the time your body is gendered by the hormone spray released in the womb, and the time your brain is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_development
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/85/5/2034
http://www.symposion.com/ijt/ijtc0106.htm
Even after birth, how and when hormones are released or interfered with can have huge impact, as demonstrated by these studies:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,973771,00.html
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7440
In fact, due to the environmental stresses we have caused through industrial and spectral pollution, we are seeing increased incidences of homosexuality, transsexuality, cross-gender behaviour and intersex conditions throughout nature. We may be the culprits, but all life on the planet is suffering for it, and it is no more a choice to these poor creatures than it is to human beings with these conditions.
http://meningioma.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/environmental-estrogen-pollution-fools-male-fish-into-becoming-female/
http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080228/NEWS01/802280383/1002/CUSTOMERSERVICE02
http://www.newsweek.com/id/34772/page/1
This is not to say that I regard gender variance as unnatural. I attribute an increase in gender and sexuality variance to human interference. There have always been environmental stressors around though, from something as obvious as sun-flare activity down to the concentration of particular trace elements in a certain mountain stream the tribe happens across. Variations in birth occur because of variation environment, whether in- or ex-utero. We’ve just made the environment more unstable, thus precipitating an increase in variation.
~Simone.
Oh, and just to clarify things: The medical and psychological Standards of Care that govern the treatment of transsexual people do not actually allow “sex change” as such, until children reach majority. Doctors are not allowed to prescribe HRT (hormone replacement therapy) before the age of 16, and only then with parental consent, while surgery cannot be undertaken before the patient is of legal age, 18 in most places. GNRH inhibitors, the compounds that delay puberty, may be prescribed from around the age of 13, again only with parental consent. The effects of these inhibitors are transitory. The moment the patient comes off of them, puberty takes place normally, just a bit later than normal, but the child will develop and mature perfectly well. Even the effects of HRT are largely reversible. Once somebody comes off of cross-sex hormones, the body’s natural systems reassert themselves and remasculanise or refeminise the body. The worst that might happen is that a male-to-female trans person may need breast reduction surgery, while female-to-male trans people may need some electrolysis to remove facial hair that had developed. Neither of these outcomes is even that common, since the two year period from 16 to 18 during which HRT is being administered to a minor are not usually enough to cause significant development in either case.
~Simone.
I wish I had these services available to me when I was a child. They would of saved me alot of pain and frustration.
Simone –
You can’t fathom how disturbing your comment is in its cold, sterile dismissal of the dangers in experimenting on children like this.
The “worse that can happen” is “breast reduction” or “electrolysis to remove facial hair”?!?! Are you mad?
“The moment the patient comes off of them, puberty takes place normally, just a bit later than normal, but the child will develop and mature perfectly well.”
You just don’t know this, you don’t. Even if it is true, it matters little. Visiting havoc on the body and mind of a child is a criminal act. I don’t see how you could be so ho-hum about somehting so extreme.
I guess you can argue that a 12- or 13-year-old can do enormous amounts of cocaine and turn out normal. What if that child really WANTS to do that cocaine and the feeling he gets while on cocaine is central to his identity? Shouldn’t we let him be who he is? After all, cocaine’s impact on the body and possibly the mind of a child is not as radical as massive doses of hormones that body doesn’t produce naturally. (Please don’t give me the “cocaine is illegal” line — it’s irrelevant to the point I’m making)
Children of this age are in no position, even with parental consent, to make decisions like this. Adults should not be advancing and encouraging a further spiral into a life of mental illness by allowing their irrational children to harm themselves like this. If a child wanted to sever his legs because he felt in his heart that he were an amputee, we wouldn’t advocate allowing that…would we? We would get the poor kid help in a normal world.
This is part of a sick political agenda that has no problem sacrificing children in its advancement.
ArmyMouse — I will pray for you today.
I am an adult heterosexual man who is happy with the way I was born. But I hate shaving. And I look awful with a beard. Simone, am I to understand that it is possible for me to have all my facial hair removed so that it will never grow back, and I’ll never have to shave again?
G.F.
I knew at the age of four that there was something wrong, that my mind and body didn’t match up. By the time I hit 13 I was so screwed up by the bigotry and misinformation I had encountered that I buried myself in denial for the next 12 years before accepting myself. It’s not a cold, sterile dismissal, but a cold hard truth. Gender Identity Disorder isn’t a phase, and it doesn’t just go away. It grows stronger and stronger until you either accept and deal with it or kill yourself. I was very close to the latter at a few points in my life.
As to your arguments: You never actually seem to address the science of this matter. You argue from a purely ideological point of view, and you and I both know that ideological debates never accomplish anything. If you would like to argue the evidence though, I would be happy to engage in conversation.
~Simone.
Prayers are great but they rarely accomplish anything. I prayed for over ten years every night that I would wake up in the correct sex but nothing happen. Children may not be able to make some decisions as well as adults but gender identity is something that forms very early on and can be clearly observed in the natural habits of such a child. Denying a child necessary treatment for a medical condition on the grounds that they cannot know what is best for them is incorrect in this case.
DW,
Yeah
it will take a few years, and it is rather painful, but electrolysis is guaranteed permanent, while laser will dramatically reduce your beard, and may, if you are lucky, even remove it completely.
Just be aware: This is NOT fun. I do about an hour of electrolysis a week, with the tech inserting a needle into the follicle, zapping it with a thousand volts or so, and then pulling it out with a tweezer. You have about a 20% chance of the hair being killed for good, otherwise it grows back finer and weaker. The average number of times per hair is 5 or 6, and hairs are done individually, which is why it takes so long. Laser is quicker, but not guaranteed, and one typically goes for multiple sessions over the course of two or three years to get everything.
~Simone.
~Simone.
“Science” and truth don’t always match up Simone. “Science” has been used to advance some of the most pernicious and calamitous ideas in the history of mankind. There are “scientists” around that will confirm pretty much anything you can imagine and those who want confirmation of particular ideas will take refuge where they can find it. For example, in another forum, you made the declaration that sexual orientation is genetically-determined. You know that has not been found to be true in any serious study, yet you make the claim. You also claim in another forum that “gender identity” is determined between ages 3 and 7, yet you make contradictory claims in this forum about “gender identity” being determined in utero. So which is it? What does your “science” really tell you?
I concede, I am making ideological arguments, because this is an ideological debate. You seem to think that an appeal to “science” should chasten one into finding competing “science” or shutting up. No dice. “Science” is not free from ideological bias and consequences, so please don’t pretend that it is.
I truly have compassion for you and the trials you’ve faced in life. I don’t doubt that your struggles have been very real and there may have been some physical basis to those struggles along with the psychological issues. But, as you have acknowledged, this is a disorder, primarily psychological.
The only other procedure I can think of in which psychological disorders were treated with irreversible surgery is the lobotomy. I hope, for the sake of future human beings who are struggling with this, that “sex reassignment” and other “treatments” along this spectrum go the way of the lobotomy and we get people real help.
Simone,
Sounds like more trouble than it’s worth–for me, anyway. Sounds expensive too. I think I’ll just keep shaving. Thanks for the info.
G.F.
I’d like to correct you on the genetic determinacy of gender. I’ve never made that claim, though I have refuted it a few times. Gender identity is determined in-utero by hormonal action. As to the age of three to seven – that is the age at which a child typically becomes aware of his or her gender identity, not the age at which it is formed.
The argument of science not always equalling truth: absolutely I agree with you. Science has gotten it wrong at many times in the past, and will continue to do so. Equally though, the same may be said of religion. It was not all that long ago that I would’ve faced being burnt at the stake for believing, contrary to church teachings, that the earth was round and orbits the sun. Science at least takes the stand-point that you only believe something if you have demonstrable, repeatable evidence for it. You might be interpreting that evidence incorrectly, but it is there for the next person to come along, investigate, and hopefully improve on the interpretation.
This a disorder. We agree. It is however, not psychological, but demonstrably biological in origin. All the internalised self-loathing and anger and frustration – now that’s psychological.
~Simone
Pagan Kennedy
What’s in a name?
!
Dear G.F.;
I see that you suffer from homochromosexuality,
http://www.intersexualite.org/Homochromosexuality.pdf
the irrational belief in the face of factual evidence that maleness and femaleness is determined exclusively by whether the 23d pair of human chromosomes is XX or XY. The International Olympic Committee stopped testing athletes because they found XYs that had menstruated and given birth, and XX that had fathered children…
You are also an Oppositional Sexist, believing that there are only two sexes, and that they are opposites, and that there is a wide no-mans-land between men and women — almost as if men and women were as different as dogs and cats.
Have you ever beaten up a faggot for being a fruity faggot? (I believe you won’t mind me using such un-PC terms on your site.) Then you suffer from effemimania, where feminine behaviour in individuals you believe to be male or by those who obviously transgress the rigid gender boundaries you believe to be, cause you to behave irrationally and often violently towards them.
You can’t catch ‘gay’ or ‘trans’. It catches you…
And while I’m at it, why is it that women act feminine, while those whose bodies are male who display the same behaviour are described by the negative term, ‘effeminate?’
That children are too young to make a determination that they are born into the wrong body is a very truthy idea. In fact, your whole position as stated in this blog entry is suffused in truthiness.
But, I don’t trust the words ‘truth’ or ‘right’, because the meanings of those words have been co-opted in much the same way that the word ‘gay’ can never ever again describe a lightness of spirit…
Thank you for providing me a space with which to exercise one of the five ‘rights’ of enumerated in the U.S. Constitution’s First
Ammendment;
Hazumu