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	<title>Comments on: Vigilante Vet Sentenced For Desecrating Mexican Flag</title>
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		<title>By: Gawfer</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/04/06/vigalante-vet-sentenced-for-desecrating-mexican-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-84395</link>
		<dc:creator>Gawfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œYour citation from the Flag Code was interesting . . . to you . . . but has nothing to do with the content of the original post, the many erroneous comments it attracted, or my corrections of them. Do keep trying, however.â€

Dr John Identified himself as a vet. Therefore, your comment is patronizing and disrespectful to not only Dr John, but to me and every other vet who has commented in this thread. It is as disrespectful as flying a flag of another country without the US flag present.

I for one found the reminder quiet interesting, as the flag means more to than just a symbol of freedom. It is a reminder of all that has been sacrificed for this country. And as far as I&#039;m concerned, the only place a foreign flag ought to be flown on CONUS soil is on the property of a foreign embassy, and then ONLY below the Stars and Stripes.

Have we completely lost all sense of Honor and Patriotism?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œYour citation from the Flag Code was interesting . . . to you . . . but has nothing to do with the content of the original post, the many erroneous comments it attracted, or my corrections of them. Do keep trying, however.â€</p>
<p>Dr John Identified himself as a vet. Therefore, your comment is patronizing and disrespectful to not only Dr John, but to me and every other vet who has commented in this thread. It is as disrespectful as flying a flag of another country without the US flag present.</p>
<p>I for one found the reminder quiet interesting, as the flag means more to than just a symbol of freedom. It is a reminder of all that has been sacrificed for this country. And as far as I&#8217;m concerned, the only place a foreign flag ought to be flown on CONUS soil is on the property of a foreign embassy, and then ONLY below the Stars and Stripes.</p>
<p>Have we completely lost all sense of Honor and Patriotism?!</p>
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		<title>By: KJ23</title>
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		<dc:creator>KJ23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desecrating a U.S. Flag=Free Speech

But tearing down a mexican flag= Hate crime and you must go to jail for it 

This is an outrage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desecrating a U.S. Flag=Free Speech</p>
<p>But tearing down a mexican flag= Hate crime and you must go to jail for it </p>
<p>This is an outrage</p>
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		<title>By: ChapSmack</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChapSmack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether the Mexican flag left flying was a mistake or not, removal by the vet is justified, especially since no one else would take action. He really shouldn&#039;t have torn the flag up though, he should have burned it. Wonder what would happen if we flew a (lone) American flag at a university in Mexico?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether the Mexican flag left flying was a mistake or not, removal by the vet is justified, especially since no one else would take action. He really shouldn&#8217;t have torn the flag up though, he should have burned it. Wonder what would happen if we flew a (lone) American flag at a university in Mexico?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin T. Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin T. Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. John:

Thanks for your quotation from the non-criminal and unenforceable Flag Code. You will note, if you try carefully, that nothing in it contradicts anything in my comments above.

Whether or not the ROTC should have handled the flags differently, it was their mistake, not that of any other group, as many commenters claimed. It was also inadvertent, not an act of disrespect, as was claimed, and it was not a &quot;hate crime&quot; or charged as one, as the original post claimed.

My point was merely to correct the almost-unrelieved factual errors in the post and comments. Your citation from the Flag Code was interesting . . . to you . . . but has nothing to do with the content of the original post, the many erroneous comments it attracted, or my corrections of them. Do keep trying, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. John:</p>
<p>Thanks for your quotation from the non-criminal and unenforceable Flag Code. You will note, if you try carefully, that nothing in it contradicts anything in my comments above.</p>
<p>Whether or not the ROTC should have handled the flags differently, it was their mistake, not that of any other group, as many commenters claimed. It was also inadvertent, not an act of disrespect, as was claimed, and it was not a &#8220;hate crime&#8221; or charged as one, as the original post claimed.</p>
<p>My point was merely to correct the almost-unrelieved factual errors in the post and comments. Your citation from the Flag Code was interesting . . . to you . . . but has nothing to do with the content of the original post, the many erroneous comments it attracted, or my corrections of them. Do keep trying, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 07:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to Kevin T Keith:

US Code, Title 4, states, in part, &quot;No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the 
flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof:&quot;

&quot;...or in place of...&quot;

Leaving the flag of Mexico flying in the absence of the US flag is flying it in place of the US flag.  Protocol forbids the lowering of the US flag before all others on US soil.  The ROTC command for UNM should be disciplined, and their charges properly schooled in their duties as regards the flag. 

They should not have lowered the US flag until the flag belonging to La Raza had been lowered.  If necessary, it was the duty of the ROTC personnel to either lower the La Raza flag themselves, or provide overnight lighting for the US flag.

As a veteran, I vividly remember the instruction we were given regarding finding a foreign flag flying on US soil.  It was to be removed, at all costs, with extreme prejudice, and the parties responsible were to be dealt with in the same manner, the soil retaken.  

Given the ever increasing number of Mexican flags flying in the southwestern states combined with the oft stated Aztlan goal of La Raza, his training, and the oath he swore, I believe he showed restraint in first attempting to alert civilian and military authorities to the breech, before taking matters into his well trained and intentioned hands.

His destruction of the flag is obviously a result of mitigating circumstances, and could easily be forgiven.  Unfortunately, someone determined that an example needed to be made of him, so the next person who considered the use of moral righteousness in the face of intolerance might think twice.   

As for your assertions that others need to learn to read, might I suggest it is a case of pot, kettle, black?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to Kevin T Keith:</p>
<p>US Code, Title 4, states, in part, &#8220;No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the<br />
flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof:&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;or in place of&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Leaving the flag of Mexico flying in the absence of the US flag is flying it in place of the US flag.  Protocol forbids the lowering of the US flag before all others on US soil.  The ROTC command for UNM should be disciplined, and their charges properly schooled in their duties as regards the flag. </p>
<p>They should not have lowered the US flag until the flag belonging to La Raza had been lowered.  If necessary, it was the duty of the ROTC personnel to either lower the La Raza flag themselves, or provide overnight lighting for the US flag.</p>
<p>As a veteran, I vividly remember the instruction we were given regarding finding a foreign flag flying on US soil.  It was to be removed, at all costs, with extreme prejudice, and the parties responsible were to be dealt with in the same manner, the soil retaken.  </p>
<p>Given the ever increasing number of Mexican flags flying in the southwestern states combined with the oft stated Aztlan goal of La Raza, his training, and the oath he swore, I believe he showed restraint in first attempting to alert civilian and military authorities to the breech, before taking matters into his well trained and intentioned hands.</p>
<p>His destruction of the flag is obviously a result of mitigating circumstances, and could easily be forgiven.  Unfortunately, someone determined that an example needed to be made of him, so the next person who considered the use of moral righteousness in the face of intolerance might think twice.   </p>
<p>As for your assertions that others need to learn to read, might I suggest it is a case of pot, kettle, black?</p>
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		<title>By: Smitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When someone says their vote doesn&#039;t count, this is another perfect example of why we need, MUST, vote to keep these fools out of office.  The prosecutor should have had the sense not to take this case forward and should be removed when up for re-election.  And I too will be more than willing to purchase some Mexican flags and torch them in prime locations in So. California.  This country has turned upside down!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When someone says their vote doesn&#8217;t count, this is another perfect example of why we need, MUST, vote to keep these fools out of office.  The prosecutor should have had the sense not to take this case forward and should be removed when up for re-election.  And I too will be more than willing to purchase some Mexican flags and torch them in prime locations in So. California.  This country has turned upside down!</p>
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		<title>By: karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at no point in the story did they say the &quot;ROTC&quot; raised the flag. 
 the very first line says &quot;Last fall the campus group La Raza flew the The Mexican Flag over the UNM campus for several daysâ€“&quot;  
It does say that the ROTC assumed that the mexicans that put up their flag would take it down.  they didn&#039;t so a patriot did it for them. 

 also like how the vet is demonized by the headline as a vigilante, didn&#039;t read the part where he hurt or attacked anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at no point in the story did they say the &#8220;ROTC&#8221; raised the flag.<br />
 the very first line says &#8220;Last fall the campus group La Raza flew the The Mexican Flag over the UNM campus for several daysâ€“&#8221;<br />
It does say that the ROTC assumed that the mexicans that put up their flag would take it down.  they didn&#8217;t so a patriot did it for them. </p>
<p> also like how the vet is demonized by the headline as a vigilante, didn&#8217;t read the part where he hurt or attacked anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Gawfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gawfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Veteran here.

I served in the Navy United States of America; not the United States of Mexico. Our Flag is a Symbol of the freedom we all enjoy. Flying the Mexican flag in place of the US flag a symbol as well. One I am unwilling to accept.

He did what any true American should have done, and it&#039;s a disgrace that he has been punished for his Patriotic actions. Shame on the UNM Police for not acting first, and shame on the UNM for allowing the Mexican flag to be flown in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veteran here.</p>
<p>I served in the Navy United States of America; not the United States of Mexico. Our Flag is a Symbol of the freedom we all enjoy. Flying the Mexican flag in place of the US flag a symbol as well. One I am unwilling to accept.</p>
<p>He did what any true American should have done, and it&#8217;s a disgrace that he has been punished for his Patriotic actions. Shame on the UNM Police for not acting first, and shame on the UNM for allowing the Mexican flag to be flown in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: chrys</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our Flag has gone the way of the Christian Religion. Punishment is there to protect everyone else. They say Our Flag and the Christian Faith is so strong and that it belongs to so many - that these parts of our heart don&#039;t need to be defended?!? We must, however, acquiesce to all other countries and their chosen religions?! Who&#039;s country are we living in anyway?

I&#039;ll &quot;ditto&quot; Big Dog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Flag has gone the way of the Christian Religion. Punishment is there to protect everyone else. They say Our Flag and the Christian Faith is so strong and that it belongs to so many &#8211; that these parts of our heart don&#8217;t need to be defended?!? We must, however, acquiesce to all other countries and their chosen religions?! Who&#8217;s country are we living in anyway?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll &#8220;ditto&#8221; Big Dog!</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,
Thanks for clearing that up for those of us with educations that did not come from liberal schools.  In other words, we know why the guy was found guilty.  

We expect fairness here and that means when the Mexicans take down flags that do not belong to them and destroy them, we want them prosecuted as well.  

And since you are all about the rule of law, how about we arrest all the illegal trash breaking our laws by entering our country?

Just a thought...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,<br />
Thanks for clearing that up for those of us with educations that did not come from liberal schools.  In other words, we know why the guy was found guilty.  </p>
<p>We expect fairness here and that means when the Mexicans take down flags that do not belong to them and destroy them, we want them prosecuted as well.  </p>
<p>And since you are all about the rule of law, how about we arrest all the illegal trash breaking our laws by entering our country?</p>
<p>Just a thought&#8230;</p>
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