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	<title>Comments on: Clinton&#8217;s Super Delegates Refuse To Back &#8220;Popular&#8221; Vote</title>
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		<title>By: iris vazquez</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/02/27/clintons-super-delegates-refuse-to-back-popular-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-78281</link>
		<dc:creator>iris vazquez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Super delegates are elected officials.  their time will come around again when they will have to answer to their constituency.  Let them go against the voters and witness what happens next.  Are we ready for another republican in the white house?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super delegates are elected officials.  their time will come around again when they will have to answer to their constituency.  Let them go against the voters and witness what happens next.  Are we ready for another republican in the white house?</p>
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		<title>By: Del</title>
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		<dc:creator>Del</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s most irritating about these superdelegate statements such as: &quot;...so I think they should vote their conscience and if they think one candidate is better than the other they have just as much right [as a regular citizen] to cast their vote.â€

What&#039;s wrong with this statement is that these folks DO have their vote as a citizen to cast their vote the same day as their state&#039;s primary/caucus.  This &#039;extra&#039; vote somehow gives them special power that they feel they should be using based on their own &#039;feelings.&#039;  

The origin of such a system was for extreme circumstances.  Take the 2002 elections in France.  Because the left was so split and couldn&#039;t muster enough votes, the top 2 candidates during their &#039;first run&#039; election ended up being Chirac and Le Pen.  Le Pen is an extreme xenophobe right radical.  Had there been such a case with the US Democrats, these superdelegates could &#039;veto&#039; the will of the people.  However, we see by nearly every report, that Hill and Barack have very similar stands on most issues.  This means that Barack isn&#039;t some radical who threatens the Democratic Party Platform.  

I say let these superdelegates go against their electors and then let their constituents be the judge the next time he/she is up for election.  I would hope he/she would be thrown out of office to never have a superdelegate vote again as punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s most irritating about these superdelegate statements such as: &#8220;&#8230;so I think they should vote their conscience and if they think one candidate is better than the other they have just as much right [as a regular citizen] to cast their vote.â€</p>
<p>What&#8217;s wrong with this statement is that these folks DO have their vote as a citizen to cast their vote the same day as their state&#8217;s primary/caucus.  This &#8216;extra&#8217; vote somehow gives them special power that they feel they should be using based on their own &#8216;feelings.&#8217;  </p>
<p>The origin of such a system was for extreme circumstances.  Take the 2002 elections in France.  Because the left was so split and couldn&#8217;t muster enough votes, the top 2 candidates during their &#8216;first run&#8217; election ended up being Chirac and Le Pen.  Le Pen is an extreme xenophobe right radical.  Had there been such a case with the US Democrats, these superdelegates could &#8216;veto&#8217; the will of the people.  However, we see by nearly every report, that Hill and Barack have very similar stands on most issues.  This means that Barack isn&#8217;t some radical who threatens the Democratic Party Platform.  </p>
<p>I say let these superdelegates go against their electors and then let their constituents be the judge the next time he/she is up for election.  I would hope he/she would be thrown out of office to never have a superdelegate vote again as punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: cybervote</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/02/27/clintons-super-delegates-refuse-to-back-popular-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-75857</link>
		<dc:creator>cybervote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The system is set up so that the superdelegates are to cast their vote using their independent judgment.  That is why they don&#039;t need to wait to the completion of the all &#039;the people&#039;s vote.  If they are required to vote for the popular choice then why bother having this system and they should not be allowed to endorse anybody until all votes are counted.
The facts that the superdelegates are threatened and pressured to change their votes are just shameful behavior and I am disappointed in the Democrat party leaders and Obama&#039;s team to continue to pressure the superdelegates to support the popular vote.

I respect those who would stand by their candidate because it means that their words mean something.  To jump ship and go with the latest fad is easy and has no core values or ethics.

Mr. Lewis switches his vote from Clinton to Obama has given me the impetus to leave the democratic party for the first time.  His vote tells me that this election is now officially a race issue.  He changes his vote mainly because he wants to vote a Black man, and then hide behind the comment about &#039;need to listen to his people&#039;.  Then he should never endorse anybody until all of his district votes are counted.  On top of that, for a civil right leader to stomp on a minority candidate, in this case, a white woman, is just shameful.

It is also shameful that the media and the DNC leaders continue to reward those who has no honor and punish those who has integrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The system is set up so that the superdelegates are to cast their vote using their independent judgment.  That is why they don&#8217;t need to wait to the completion of the all &#8216;the people&#8217;s vote.  If they are required to vote for the popular choice then why bother having this system and they should not be allowed to endorse anybody until all votes are counted.<br />
The facts that the superdelegates are threatened and pressured to change their votes are just shameful behavior and I am disappointed in the Democrat party leaders and Obama&#8217;s team to continue to pressure the superdelegates to support the popular vote.</p>
<p>I respect those who would stand by their candidate because it means that their words mean something.  To jump ship and go with the latest fad is easy and has no core values or ethics.</p>
<p>Mr. Lewis switches his vote from Clinton to Obama has given me the impetus to leave the democratic party for the first time.  His vote tells me that this election is now officially a race issue.  He changes his vote mainly because he wants to vote a Black man, and then hide behind the comment about &#8216;need to listen to his people&#8217;.  Then he should never endorse anybody until all of his district votes are counted.  On top of that, for a civil right leader to stomp on a minority candidate, in this case, a white woman, is just shameful.</p>
<p>It is also shameful that the media and the DNC leaders continue to reward those who has no honor and punish those who has integrity.</p>
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		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/02/27/clintons-super-delegates-refuse-to-back-popular-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-75630</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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