Comments on: Fred Thompson Hits McCain http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:22:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: MF http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-69666 MF Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:42:02 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/#comment-69666 Pardon the error. This sentence should read: Fred's approach will encourage repatriation when the incentives to come here are reduced. Pardon the error. This sentence should read:

Fred’s approach will encourage repatriation when the incentives to come here are reduced.

]]> By: MF http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-69665 MF Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:40:11 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/#comment-69665 I reject the false premise that you must round up millions of illegal aliens if you want to reduce their numbers. Fred has described his approach to this issue as "enforcement through attrition." There have been media accounts of illegals leaving the U.S. because of enforcement efforts. Fred's approach will encourage Repatriation will happen when the incentives to come here are reduced. Border control and legal immigration can happen together. Open borders and the rule of law cannot. McCain cannot spin his record away from support for amnesty, as Zeezil describes above. McCain seems much more comfortable with liberal Democrats, he should come clean as say he is one of them. He sure isn't a conservative. I reject the false premise that you must round up millions of illegal aliens if you want to reduce their numbers. Fred has described his approach to this issue as “enforcement through attrition.” There have been media accounts of illegals leaving the U.S. because of enforcement efforts. Fred’s approach will encourage Repatriation will happen when the incentives to come here are reduced.

Border control and legal immigration can happen together. Open borders and the rule of law cannot. McCain cannot spin his record away from support for amnesty, as Zeezil describes above. McCain seems much more comfortable with liberal Democrats, he should come clean as say he is one of them. He sure isn’t a conservative.

]]> By: kerwin http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-69643 kerwin Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:06:53 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/#comment-69643 Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity according to some well known individual and Fred Thompson is planning to do the same thing Bush did and failed. I am firmly convinced the American people are tired of the result of that insanity. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity according to some well known individual and Fred Thompson is planning to do the same thing Bush did and failed. I am firmly convinced the American people are tired of the result of that insanity.

]]> By: Sam http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-69639 Sam Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:26:03 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/#comment-69639 So tell me, Zeezil...how are you logistically going to round up and send however many million illegal immigrants home? McCain has never condoned illegal immigration or gone against plans to stop it. But the fact is that they're here already and there's no possible way to send them all packing. Unlike many of the Republican candidates (Romney with his bid to save the auto industry and Huckabee with his idiotic flat tax to name two), McCain is a realist. You may disagree on his definition of "amnesty" but he's never pandered to the voters and promised them things he couldn't deliver. If being honest and direct and sticking to your guns makes you a liberal then you can call McCain a Kennedy all you want. Doesn't change reality. So tell me, Zeezil…how are you logistically going to round up and send however many million illegal immigrants home? McCain has never condoned illegal immigration or gone against plans to stop it. But the fact is that they’re here already and there’s no possible way to send them all packing. Unlike many of the Republican candidates (Romney with his bid to save the auto industry and Huckabee with his idiotic flat tax to name two), McCain is a realist. You may disagree on his definition of “amnesty” but he’s never pandered to the voters and promised them things he couldn’t deliver. If being honest and direct and sticking to your guns makes you a liberal then you can call McCain a Kennedy all you want. Doesn’t change reality.

]]> By: Jesse http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-69629 Jesse Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:47:58 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/#comment-69629 Thompson is an open borders globalist free trader sell out scumbag. F that Guy and F Mc Cain Julie Anne and the Huckster They are all Bush bots Thompson is an open borders globalist free trader sell out scumbag.

F that Guy
and F Mc Cain
Julie Anne
and the Huckster

They are all Bush bots

]]> By: delburd http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-69576 delburd Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:03:13 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/#comment-69576 Fred said McCain is wrong spin it how you want He does not agree with him !! Fred said McCain is wrong spin it how you want He does not agree with him !!

]]> By: edward cropper http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-69575 edward cropper Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:48:48 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/#comment-69575 If that is as tough as Fred is going to get with McCain he might as well give it up. That was pathetic to say the least. It in no way erased the suspicion that Fred is covering McCain's butt. McCain is a crybaby. Using the argument that he is not going to call a soldier in Iraq and tell him he is going to deport his mother back to Mexico is so much phony sentimental BS. That comment alone showed just how shallow John McCain really is. If that is as tough as Fred is going to get with McCain he might as well give it up.
That was pathetic to say the least. It in no way erased the suspicion that Fred is covering McCain’s butt.
McCain is a crybaby. Using the argument that he is not going to call a soldier in Iraq and tell him he is going to deport his mother back to Mexico is so much phony sentimental BS.
That comment alone showed just how shallow John McCain really is.

]]> By: Rob http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-69568 Rob Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:54:05 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/#comment-69568 I will NOT support McCain. I will sit out and not vote rather than vote for a man that supports illegal immigration. It is my NUMBER ONE issue, and I want Thompson to hit hard and be the choice. Come on FRED! I will NOT support McCain. I will sit out and not vote rather than vote for a man that supports illegal immigration. It is my NUMBER ONE issue, and I want Thompson to hit hard and be the choice. Come on FRED!

]]> By: markustee http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-69561 markustee Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:49:44 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/#comment-69561 Pretty clear that Fred Thompson is addressing John McCain's liberal bent. We need to remember that we are in America, and that Senators and Representatives do make friends - but that is a necessary part of being effective as a Senator or Representative. That sort of "friend" is often as not a friend of convenience. Clearly, Fred Thompson is not in agreement with McCain's liberal beliefs. Fred is still the only candidate in the field that supports the right of the American citizen to be free. All others want to limit freedom, to curtail it, to set more and more limits on it. I want to be FREE. I want Fred Thompson as President. Conservative, Consistent, and Principled - and committed to freedom for the people. Pretty clear that Fred Thompson is addressing John McCain’s liberal bent. We need to remember that we are in America, and that Senators and Representatives do make friends – but that is a necessary part of being effective as a Senator or Representative. That sort of “friend” is often as not a friend of convenience. Clearly, Fred Thompson is not in agreement with McCain’s liberal beliefs.

Fred is still the only candidate in the field that supports the right of the American citizen to be free. All others want to limit freedom, to curtail it, to set more and more limits on it. I want to be FREE.

I want Fred Thompson as President. Conservative, Consistent, and Principled – and committed to freedom for the people.

]]> By: zeezil http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-69553 zeezil Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:08:07 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/01/15/fred-thompson-hits-mccain/#comment-69553 McLame’s Immigration Insanity McLame and LIEberman were recently on a PR campaign together in NH and lying through their teeth on McLame's immigration record. At a recent town hall meeting, McLame speaks for a while uttering his gibberish about illegal immigration and the illegal's are god's children (he obviously believes that they are a special type of god’s children and deserve some kind of extra compassion), etc. LIEberman takes the mike and says..."To say John McCain ever supported amnesty for illegal immigrants is a lie..." This is extremely disturbing that both of these Senators would try to deceive and directly lie to people for the express purpose of garnering votes. You can view this for yourself in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er3gSPhNSEM McLame is trying to run from his actions and record. He is intentionally distorting (I call it lying) the irrefutable fact that he was a supporter of amnesty by claiming he was never for amnesty. He was a main architect, contributor and proponent of the Comphrensive Immigration Reform bills (s. 1348 and s. 1639) of 2007 that were written in order to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. McLame was so deep into the content and language of these bills that they were often referred to as the Kennedy-McCain Immigration Reform bills. McLame has consistently supported amnesty for illegal aliens since at least 2003 as reported by hotair.com from a Tuscon Citizen article…“McCain Pushes Amnesty, Guest-Worker Program,” reported the Tucson Citizen of May 29, 2003. The senator is quoted as saying: “Amnesty has to be an important part because there are people who have lived in this country for 20, 30 or 40 years, who have raised children here and pay taxes here and are not citizens. That has to be a component of it.” The newspaper also quoted McCain as saying: “I think we can set up a program where amnesty is extended to a certain number of people who are eligible and at the same time make sure that we have some control over people who come in and out of this country.” http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/05/video-liebs-says-mccain-did-not-support-amnesty-for-illegal-aliens/ http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2007/06/017540.php During the ABC News presidential debate on January 5, 2008 McLame said: “Let me just say I've never supported amnesty. A few nights ago, Joe Lieberman and I had a town hall meeting together. It was a rather unusual event. The issue came up. Joe Lieberman said John McCain has never supported amnesty, and anybody says he does is a liar, he's lying.” http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/us/politics/05text-rdebate.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1199721737-2vqWJVFzkwWyQwnxeL9Sew One day later at the Fox News presidential forum, McLame said, “I have never, ever supported amnesty, and never will”. During the Fox News presidential debate on January 10, 2008 McLame said: “I know how to secure the borders. I come from a border state where our borders are broken. More people come across our border illegally every year than most any other state. And I will secure the borders first…The remaining 12 million…we must then, in my view, address it in as humane and compassionate way as possible. The three GIs who were missing last year in action, one of them was still missing in action, his wife was about to be deported from this country. I'm not going to deport the wife of a fighting serviceman who's missing in action. I'm going to handle it in a humane, compassionate fashion.” EARTH to McMARS; if you know how to secure the borders, why is your home state’s border still unsecured (McLame has been in Congress for 26 years, the last 22 as a Senator), so much so that more illegals come across your border than anywhere else? What have you been waiting for? Amnesty (again)? Furthermore, what does a GI wife’s situation have to do with the 20 to 36 million illegal aliens here, many of which came across those borders you know how to secure but have done nothing to secure? http://www.thestate.com/presidential-politics/story/281821.html Lest we forget or if anyone is unsure as to what the definition of amnesty is, I will provide it below: AMNESTY, in relation to immigration matters, is legislation to forgive the breaking of immigration laws and to make it possible for illegal aliens to live permanently in the United States. Amnesty represents a system of federal rewards and assistance for illegal aliens, and they entice an even greater number of foreign nationals to illegally enter a country. AMNESTY: 1. A general pardon for offenses against a government 2. An act of forgiveness for past offenses, esp. to a class of persons as a whole 3. Forgetting or overlooking any past offense Not only is McLame a supporter of amnesty, he is not fond of any fencing for immigration control or for security reasons. McLame said, “By the way, I think the fence is least effective. But I’ll build the goddamned fence if they want it.”[Prisoner of Conscience - Vanity Fair, February 2007: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/02/mccain200702 ”We are not going to erect barriers and fences” (June 5, 2007 CNN Republican Presidential Candidates Debate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5G3kH1PvvU ) I suppose McLame has never heard of the 14-mile double-layer fence between San Diego and Tijuana, Mexico. Its benefits in stopping illegal entry into the U.S. were immediate and long lasting. According to a 2005 Congressional Research Service report illegal alien apprehensions along the fence region dropped from 202,000 in 1992 to 9,000 in 2004, a reduction greater than 95% ( http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200712/NAT20071219b.html ) Particularly galling is that December’s omnibus spending bill did not include the appropriations for construction of the double layer 700-mile border fence, which was passed into law just a few months earlier. Additionally, the requirement of a double-layer fence mandated by the Secure Fence Act of 2006 was removed, so if funding is ever restored, a truly effective fence being constructed is unlikely. I’m sure if McLame was somehow elected President; one of his first official acts would be to take down the fence surrounding the White House…right John? McLame’s Immigration Insanity

McLame and LIEberman were recently on a PR campaign together in NH and lying through their teeth on McLame’s immigration record. At a recent town hall meeting, McLame speaks for a while uttering his gibberish about illegal immigration and the illegal’s are god’s children (he obviously believes that they are a special type of god’s children and deserve some kind of extra compassion), etc. LIEberman takes the mike and says…”To say John McCain ever supported amnesty for illegal immigrants is a lie…” This is extremely disturbing that both of these Senators would try to deceive and directly lie to people for the express purpose of garnering votes. You can view this for yourself in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er3gSPhNSEM

McLame is trying to run from his actions and record. He is intentionally distorting (I call it lying) the irrefutable fact that he was a supporter of amnesty by claiming he was never for amnesty. He was a main architect, contributor and proponent of the Comphrensive Immigration Reform bills (s. 1348 and s. 1639) of 2007 that were written in order to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. McLame was so deep into the content and language of these bills that they were often referred to as the Kennedy-McCain Immigration Reform bills.

McLame has consistently supported amnesty for illegal aliens since at least 2003 as reported by hotair.com from a Tuscon Citizen article…“McCain Pushes Amnesty, Guest-Worker Program,” reported the Tucson Citizen of May 29, 2003. The senator is quoted as saying: “Amnesty has to be an important part because there are people who have lived in this country for 20, 30 or 40 years, who have raised children here and pay taxes here and are not citizens. That has to be a component of it.” The newspaper also quoted McCain as saying: “I think we can set up a program where amnesty is extended to a certain number of people who are eligible and at the same time make sure that we have some control over people who come in and out of this country.”
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/05/video-liebs-says-mccain-did-not-support-amnesty-for-illegal-aliens/
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2007/06/017540.php

During the ABC News presidential debate on January 5, 2008 McLame said: “Let me just say I’ve never supported amnesty. A few nights ago, Joe Lieberman and I had a town hall meeting together. It was a rather unusual event. The issue came up. Joe Lieberman said John McCain has never supported amnesty, and anybody says he does is a liar, he’s lying.” http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/us/politics/05text-rdebate.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1199721737-2vqWJVFzkwWyQwnxeL9Sew

One day later at the Fox News presidential forum, McLame said, “I have never, ever supported amnesty, and never will”.

During the Fox News presidential debate on January 10, 2008 McLame said: “I know how to secure the borders. I come from a border state where our borders are broken. More people come across our border illegally every year than most any other state. And I will secure the borders first…The remaining 12 million…we must then, in my view, address it in as humane and compassionate way as possible. The three GIs who were missing last year in action, one of them was still missing in action, his wife was about to be deported from this country. I’m not going to deport the wife of a fighting serviceman who’s missing in action. I’m going to handle it in a humane, compassionate fashion.”
EARTH to McMARS; if you know how to secure the borders, why is your home state’s border still unsecured (McLame has been in Congress for 26 years, the last 22 as a Senator), so much so that more illegals come across your border than anywhere else? What have you been waiting for? Amnesty (again)? Furthermore, what does a GI wife’s situation have to do with the 20 to 36 million illegal aliens here, many of which came across those borders you know how to secure but have done nothing to secure?
http://www.thestate.com/presidential-politics/story/281821.html

Lest we forget or if anyone is unsure as to what the definition of amnesty is, I will provide it below:

AMNESTY, in relation to immigration matters, is legislation to forgive the breaking of immigration laws and to make it possible for illegal aliens to live permanently in the United States. Amnesty represents a system of federal rewards and assistance for illegal aliens, and they entice an even greater number of foreign nationals to illegally enter a country.

AMNESTY:
1. A general pardon for offenses against a government
2. An act of forgiveness for past offenses, esp. to a class of persons as a whole
3. Forgetting or overlooking any past offense

Not only is McLame a supporter of amnesty, he is not fond of any fencing for immigration control or for security reasons. McLame said, “By the way, I think the fence is least effective. But I’ll build the goddamned fence if they want it.”[Prisoner of Conscience – Vanity Fair, February 2007: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/02/mccain200702

”We are not going to erect barriers and fences” (June 5, 2007 CNN Republican Presidential Candidates Debate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5G3kH1PvvU )

I suppose McLame has never heard of the 14-mile double-layer fence between San Diego and Tijuana, Mexico. Its benefits in stopping illegal entry into the U.S. were immediate and long lasting. According to a 2005 Congressional Research Service report illegal alien apprehensions along the fence region dropped from 202,000 in 1992 to 9,000 in 2004, a reduction greater than 95% ( http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200712/NAT20071219b.html )

Particularly galling is that December’s omnibus spending bill did not include the appropriations for construction of the double layer 700-mile border fence, which was passed into law just a few months earlier. Additionally, the requirement of a double-layer fence mandated by the Secure Fence Act of 2006 was removed, so if funding is ever restored, a truly effective fence being constructed is unlikely.

I’m sure if McLame was somehow elected President; one of his first official acts would be to take down the fence surrounding the White House…right John?

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