Yo stated “your church has been doing its best to hide its unchristian ideas for many decades in order to appear mainstream”. Furthermore you state that “many Mormons don’t even know what their church really believes”.

These are common reactions to someone who finds that what Mormons are taught in church is quite different than what you were told that they were taught. To begin with a common and quite rediculous argument that is commonly brought up against Mormons is that they believe that Christ was created just like you and I ant that Christ was not begotten. You will find the phrase “Only Beggotten Son of the Father” more than 40 times in the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and in the Pearl of Great Price. While in the New and Old Testaments you will find the same phrase about 10 times.

We have always taught and always will that Christ is in fact the Only Begotten Son of The Father.

Most mormons from the age of 8 years old have a quite solid understanding of the basic foundations of our doctrine. However, what they are taught differs significantly from what others are told that we are taught.

If we don’t believe and were never taught something that you think we believe it is probably not that we don’t know what we believe it is most likely that you were misinformed about what we believe.

In regards to whether we are real Christians or not based on how our beliefs differ from other denominations I think the onus of proving true christianity should lie not with those who Believe that Christ is the Only Beggotten Son of God as Christ himself stated but with those who have unscripturally assumed the creeds and councils of man and corrupted original Christian doctrine into some wierd “uncomprehensible, uncreate, without passions, parts etc.”.

Christ is the “Only Beggotten Son of the Father”.

I am sure that you think your faith believes in Jesus Christ in the orthodox Christian way. Your Church has been doing its best to hide its unChristian ideas for many decades in order to seem more mainstream. It has been so successful at it that many Mormons don’t even know what their Church really believes. You aren’t alone, for sure.

However, they also readily agree with claims that they are not orthodox or traditional, and even take pride in them: They accept the Book of Mormon and other revelations and reject most post-apostolic creeds and traditions.

The claims that Mormons are not Christians can be abbreviated: 1) Only traditional Christians can be counted as such, 2) The Mormon version of Christianity is a blasphemous counterfeit, and 3) If Mormons call themselves Christian they are lying.

This seems to be at least a partisan argument, and more theological than political, but partisan theological arguments and political bigotry are unfortunately not mutually exclusive, as almost the whole 16th and 17th century history of Europe demonstrates.

Mr. Huston, you appear to be a very intelligent man. My 1995 edition of Websters New World Dictionary defines bigot as such:

“one who holds blindly and intolerantly to a particular creed, opinion, etc.”

This dictionary also defines Christian; perhaps yours is different:

“a believer in Jesus as the Messiah prophesied in the Old Testament, or in the religion based on the teachings of Jesus”

According to this definition, a Christian is anyone who believes “in Jesus as the Messiah prophesied in the Old Testament”. Even if this weren’t an inextricable subject taught liberally by the Church and also by the Book of Mormon, the definition also provides that a “Christian” is “a believer… in the religion based on the teachings of Jesus”, also very much taught in the Church and the Book of Mormon.

You speak of logic. I pray I have used it correctly.

Better understand the argument before you shoot down a phony version of it.

Maybe I’m wrong, but I think that is what Jettboy was referring to.

What the HELL are you mumbling about, jettboy?