Ron Paul Responds to Bhutto Assassination by Blaming America
Posted on December 27, 2007
As MacRanger says…Ron Paul is a terminal retard.
But in Ron Paul’s world, all problems are the result of the US taking action. Any action. Anywhere. Against anyone, doing anything. In the case of Pakistan, he says we should cut off aid to our “puppet†in Pakistan and make sure not to march in there with troops. There is, of course, at most a neglible possibility that we’ll send troops into Pakistan to do anything beyond taking on al Qaeda or securing the nukes. India might, but even that’s highly unlikely. And never mind that Pakistan’s history with democracy is sketchy, to say the least. Should we not have attempted to work with Musharraf against al Qaeda, Patriot Paul? Paul also tosses out the canard that we supported Osama bin Laden. Someone really needs to disabuse him of that notion one of these days. Someone should bone him up on the history of al Qaeda as well. It didn’t form because we support Musharraf, as Paul seems to think.
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He’s right. It’s not the federal goverment’s role to give money (collected from the taxpayers) to another country. Cut all foreign aid.
I have read Paul’s book A foreign policy of freedom.
I must confess I am retarded as well - crazy as a loon- one of the biggest kooks in the world if not the universe.
I fully support Ron Paul’s comments above.
I do not want one nickel of my tax dollars going to a Pakistan puppet dictator who is probably scamming most of the money into a bank in Switzerland.
Thank God Dr. Paul is here to talk logic to the ill-informed masses.
Paul’s right. And if he’s beginning to sound like a broken record, with his blaming the U.S. for these types of situations et al, well then it ought to tell you how many times and how deep we’ve got our hands in the cookie jar.
BTW, the U.S. did support Osama…does the Soviet/Afgan war ring a bell?
Paul has always advocated talking with other leaders of other countries…in this case, Pakistan and Musharraf.
I think some research is required here.
I do enjoy how the childish leftists constantly make two contradictory complaints: 1) We should engage in more “diplomacy” with these often-unsavory regimes, “talk to them, reason with them,” as Doktor Paul screeches like a girl here, and 2) we should not be supporting “military dictators.”
Um, a$$h0le? Isn’t “supporting” a regime part of “diplomacy”? And which regimes precisely should we be talking with, reasoning with, if not the junta that actually, you know, runs the fking country? Should we pretend that some group of university protester types is actually running Pakistan and just “talk with, reason with” them while treating the actual ruling claque as undiplomatically as possible, by shunning them?
They have no answers. None at all. They’re like Elliot in True Romance screeching in the elevator when a gun is put to his head, “I want to be taken out of here, I don’t want to be here anymore!” All they do is attempt to wish the world’s problems away. Not confront the problem, not deal with the problem. But simply offer up some glib bumper-sticker Zen bullshat and pretend the problem doesn’t exist.
Oh yeah — and blame America, of course. They’re not much for giving advice going forward, but damn, are they quick to glibly claim “It’s all America’s fault.”
It’s all they can do. It’s not “idealism,” it’s dementia, and it’s cowardice. The world is what it is, not what Herr Doktor Paul and Russ Feingold schoolgirlishly pine for it to be.
I guess I’m an idiot too. I also think we should cut the foreign aid. And Pakistan is case number ONE in how we are deeply involved.
Oh…I guess the NAV where I served 23 years and had TS SCI took a real risk on allowing me to serve there. Should have been cleared with people like you first.
That’s funny. Benazir Bhutto also blamed American intervention for the terrorists in Pakistan.
Here are the last two paragraphs that appear in an interview with her which will be published on January 6:
***
Despite the corrosion of her reputation by corruption and compromise, Bhutto appears to be America’s strongest anchor in the effort to turn back the extremist Islamic tide threatening to engulf Pakistan. What would you like to tell President Bush? I ask this riddle of a woman.
She would tell him, she replies, that propping up Musharraf’ s government, which is infested with radical Islamists, is only hastening disaster. “I would say, ‘Your policy of supporting dictatorship is breaking up my country.’ I now think al-Qaeda can be marching on Islamabad in two to four years.â€
***
The interview is here:
http://www.parade.com/benazir_bhutto_interview.html
So, you gonna call Benazir Bhutto a “retard” also????
When the Shah was still in Iran, there should have been a tripartate agreement with the USSR to carve up all the oil producing countries in the Middle east for permanent occupation.
Now we are operating out of weakness in the region and it’s way too late to carve so Ronnie Paul is merely reflecting ‘Real Politik’. Yet, these draft-dodging, war-coward conserves keep talking Reagan-tough:
All threat–either no or ineffective action.
In all honesty I dont think Musharraf’s government has many radicals. I think its more a power hunger issue than actually radicals.
Bhutto herself was the most retarded of all, and in agreement with Paul.
When asked what she’d say to Torture-porn addict Bush, she stated, “I would say, ‘Your policy of supporting dictatorship is breaking up my country.’ I now think al-Qaeda can be marching on Islamabad in two to four years.”
Those crazy loons. What gives them the right to think for themselves and blame America for what America does? The presumption of some backwards people who don’t accept American imperial superiority is just appalling, isn’t it?
America is omnipotent. Get over it. If you don’t like it, fly a plane into a building, ok? But America is God’s chosen country; chosen to exact suffering on the sinners of the world.
And another point. “Supporting” bin Laden and “giving his band of fighters money to wage war against the Soviets” isn’t the same thing. We were “supporting” “freedom.” Not bin Laden. Bin Laden was just the actual physical presence that was needed to “support” “freedom.”
End sarcasm here. See how silly these arguments sound? Even when I try to agree with you? That’s because they’re nationalistic demagoguery based on emotion rather than history or fact. I won’t recommend you read any books to inform yourself, as you would just react to other points of view with a swift rejection. But many of us know how silly you sound with such similar arguments.
The problem isn’t diplomacy the problem is the goverment uses tax payers money to put politicians in other countries and when it goes badly and the people don’t like it, and fight it we pay another group to take over… this is not foregin policy .. That is running another country with our Tax dollars. I would rather our troops be home watching and monorting our skies, Protecting our borders and otherwise keeping us safe at home than be a thousands of miles away in some distant part of the country. Tsu Sun one of the best war strategist of all times said that the best way to make an enemy weak was to have them fight on your soil. If you think he was wrong read his writtings and while your at it think of us as the Enemy and see if everything he said isn’t exactly what is happening. We are not weakening there country we are making it stronger every american that dies is a win in there eyes.. every time our dollar gets weaker they win. How shall we fight the war when we no longer have any money? Should we wait till we are broke and then try to bring our solders home? I wonder what America would look like then our soldiers weak from battle depressed from the loss our country broke with no money.. Hmm I always wondered where all the troops where in the movie Red Dawn. Maybe you should watch that too after brushing up on military strategy and if after all that you still think I’m crazy for supporting Ron Paul, I’ll respect your opinion.
God help America when the next terrorist attack happens in response to the interventions in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Iran (where the CIA is working against the regime).
If the intelligence of the author in this post is anything to go by, he would support even further erosion of civil liberties, more unconstitutional undeclared wars, more bombing of innocent civilians (and a million dead from economic sanctions in Iraq alone), all in the name of security.
Every normal country in the world — Britain, Australia for example — does not take it upon themselves to police the world. The day the American government wakes up and realise their democratic system of governance doesn’t give them a right to tell others how to live is the day the terrorist attacks on the American people will stop.
In the meantime, don’t be scared. You have a greater chance of being killed in a car accident than being blown up by a terrorist.
Why is it so difficult to understand that our mettling in these people’s affairs makes them angry? And continuing on this path just makes the situation worse. Dementia is when you keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
When are you folks going to get this? I am really starting to wonder. First of all, Paul is NOT blaming Americans–he is arguing against the stupid, ridiculous, meddling American foreign policy that has left us hanging out on a limb, with nary an argument to support what we are doing. Just why are we in 130 countries (or actually, I’ve seen, 165 countries if you count Marine embassy involvement)? I’m curious, is this notion too hard to understand? The people of these third-world nations are tired of our meddling; it’s that simple. This is not a difficult concept. Is it the American public’s fault? No–it is the fault of the bureaucrats who are making this policy. And Paul points that out.
I’ll reduce this down to a symbolic argument. You’ve got an uninvited guest in your backyard. That uninvited guest is squeezing you, lending your “bad neighbors” money, threatening your family and your livelihood. So, what would you do? You’d unass that uninvited guest from your backyard. Really, it’s time to realize that the symbolic phrase, Al Qaeda, is overplayed. It mainly refers to people who are trying to establish their own form of government, whether we like it or not.
So, it is true, MANY of the problems that are incurred against the U.S. (radicalism, economic backlash, etc.) are actually due to the stupid and ridiculous foreign policy that a well-heeled, not very bright group of people have crafted in their antechambers. The moron, Hugo Chavez, is latching onto this stupidity to foment his revolution; as does Castro; as does the leader of Iran; as does Putin; and on and on.
If China invaded Florida or South Carolina, then don’t you think there’d be a lot of people rising up? Would China call them Al Qaeda? Probably. Please, start putting the blame where it lies.
Hey I have a great idea: Let’s draw a map of all the countries we meddle in their politics and then draw a map of the countries that are in chaos, unrest, and verge of war. I think we all will be amazed at how closely they are aligned. If you can’t see the significant correlation between the two and wonder how our US foreign policy plays a role then you need to ask yourself if maybe, just maybe you are the retard.
Before you go calling anyone a retard you might want to brush up on your history. And no I’m not talking about what you’ve watched on TV. Freakin pick up a book.
1. The action the U.S. took put Musharraf in power. Then we pump him full of money. While much of the pakistan people do not favor him. The U.S. had more interest in him being there.
2. We absolutely put Bin Laden and the Taliban in power by deserting the people of Afghanistan. Bin Laden came rolling in with all of his money and the people embraced him. And so did the U.S. because that meant we didn’t have to clean up the mess.
3. We also gave weapons to saddam well before the gulf war.
Why is it so hard to believe? We are giving weapons to “insurgents” who claim they won’t use them on our soldiers. Millions of dollars worth of weapons to the enemy for spouting off a couple of empty promises.
I’m not quite sure what rock you live under. At some point people have to move beyond their 4 months of history lessons and actually read. Its all there for you. Just because it is a little shocking to know that your government is pissing on the world doesn’t mean you should just pretend it isn’t happening.
Whether Ron Paul is a jerk or a crank or a tard doesn’t change the fact that he was right. Read his statements to congress on september 25 2001. Everything that he said would happen has happened. He may not have all the answers, but he is right on foreign policy. You cannot police the world with out retaliation.
GROW A BRAIN
Thank you Gene. I can’t believe people still don’t get it. We backed the Shah, Osama, Saddam. We give money to Israel and then to the Arab states. This is the money we work for. Is it really so crazy to think about doing something else? How many countries to you want to fight with, and intervene in? The list keeps growing and growing. Everybody’s doing wrong and we’re always right?
The ironic thing is Pakistan and Afghanistan have no oil but we are bogged down there anyway. And Moslems enjoy killing each other as much as they do Americans.
Iraqi violence is starting to “surge” once again. The Corporate Media is more interested in the Spears girls.
Oddly enough, we are soft and weak. The rest of Homocide/Humanoid Sapien is still weaker but the gap is closing.
As Culture Club told us: “Time can’t buy us time.” Soon, the Chambers Brothers warning will come true:
“TIME HAS COME TODAY.”
We need to take care of our own people first. There are many, many needy in the US. Plain and simple, we’re not as rich as we used to be.
Also, Musharraf is a dictator and Bhutto was for democracy. What are you really supporting?
From Gene Trosper–
Parade Magazine will be publishing an interview with Benazir Buhtto on January 6th and this is the most interesting part:
What would you like to tell President Bush? I ask this riddle of a woman.
She would tell him, she replies, that propping up Musharraf’s government, which is infested with radical Islamists, is only hastening disaster. “I would say, ‘Your policy of supporting dictatorship is breaking up my country.’ I now think al-Qaeda can be marching on Islamabad in two to four years.”
The interview is here:
http://www.parade.com/benazir_bhutto_interview.html
Ironically, this is exactly what Ron Paul said today. I guess he’s just crazy, or better yet, a ‘crackpot’.
What numbnuts wrote this hit piece?
by Jay @ 8:47 pm on December 27, 2007.
As MacRanger says…Ron Paul is a terminal retard. or Bryan Preston sums it up.
??? wtf. Either way I would like to ask whomever it was: Jay, MacRanger or Bryan: do you feel like a total dweeb yet or would you like to comment on any of the above comments to be known as even more idiotic than we all think of you now?
It does show that Mr. Paul has a lack of ability when it comes to strategy and tactics in the world of politics. The U.S. did take a desperate risk with Bhutto which shows how bad of a position we are in, in regards to Pakistan. It is sad but she knew the risk and was willing to take them because it gave her a chance for power. Maybe she even thought she would help her people. She was not my people anyways being a liberal Secularist.
I am not sure if I back either party in the fight between Secularist and Islamics. I just want to keep both groups off my back.
Yawn. The truly uninformed continue to assault reason with lies and half-truths.
Which part of Ron Paul’s assessment is untrue? That we allign ourselves with dictators while pretending to export freedom? That we gift foreign governments billions of dollars taken by coercive force? That we meddle in other nations affairs constantly and ignore the blowback that results?
Most of us replaced playground name calling with dialogue at some point in our grade school years.
Not really surprising to see tons of neo-conservatives bawwwing in this thread over Ron Paul’s comments, accompanying their crocodile tears over Bhutto. Probably the same braindead retards who were happy to get behind Bush’s position when we were still firmly Best-Friends-Forever with the Generalissimo. To keep the evil, evil Islamofascists out, of course. If these people really want to show concern for Bhutto, they ought to stop being so damned butthurt over the consequences of their own interventionist policy–which was precisely propping up Musharraf against dissidents for a long time.
For tooling around the online forums like internet tough guys, the neo-cons sure throw their little tantrums a lot. BAWWWW! RON PAUL! BAWWWWWWW! ISLAMOFASCISM! BAWWWWWWW! MS. BHUTTO! I can hear their collective mewlings and whimpering across the entire sphere of the internets, despite their meager numbers. Sounds like they really need a time out, to run back to daddy Cheney so he can pat their little butts and tell them that nice fairy tale about how well the Iraq war is going, and how the US has always been on the side of Pakistani democracy since January 20th, 2001.
Ron Paul’s foriegn policy of non-intervention is brillant.
The neocon era is over!
Read this article…
http://www.chessmaniac.com/2007/12/ron-paul-plays-chess-with-neocons.php
No, retarded is getting the US involved in a civil war in Pakistan. Ron Paul is championing exactly what the US policy should be in this issue. Only a fool would suggest otherwise.
Everyone knows it’s all the ACLU’s fault.
A canard is defined as deliberately misleading information. We did support Osama Bin Laden against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. When Paul mentioned that we supported Bin Laden he was not misleading, he was speaking the truth. Bin Laden sent a personal thank you to Ronald Reagan for his support.
Speaking from a traditional conservative angle - We should withdraw aid. The reason is because there is no way to know what we are buying.
We do not know who was behind this. The Pakistani authorities washed the crime scene with hoses without collecting evidence. We don’t know how this will effect our relationship with Pakistan. We don’t know what the reaction will be from the Pakistani authorities or people. For all we know, Musharraf, or someone in his association, is responsible and there will be not election, or a civil war, or further assassinations, or a revolt that installs democracy.
Since we are unsure, we should withdraw aid, preferably forever, but at least -at the very least- until there is a stable form of government so our money doesn’t fall into the wrong hands.
I absolutely support Paul and his views.
Jay, you are living proof the US has become a land of idiots!
Go Ron Paul!!
Everything he said made sense to me, and apparently a lot of other people.
*shrugs*
Most people don’t favor governments that appear to be inordinately influenced by foreigners. We Americans get upset when Hillary takes a bunch of cash from the Chinese so why shouldn’t we expect Pakistanis to get upset when their dictator takes $10 billion from the US and uses a portion of it to crush dissent?
Ron Paul is winning me. I was a Huckabee supporter, but this guy is the first real straight shooter I’ve seen in politics in my lifetime. He’s a real leader. Go Dr. Paul!
Taking some responsibility for being cause in a matter is not blame. Dr. Paul never faults the US for its foreign policy. He simply accepts our responsibility in these matters.
Blame gets us no where. Accepting responsibility allows for positive solutions.
Give up the “America, right or wrong” attitude can make all the difference in the world.
Our foreign policy is based on forcing or coercing others to do what our leaders want.
Our leaders as well as a large portion of the populous refuse to see any view point other than their own. We don’t listen; we dictate, sanction, invade and establish puppet regimes. Then we take no responsiblity when things don’t go the way we want.
When we get ourselves into a mess, we take no responsibilty. We blame and point fingers. This is counter-productive and leads to resentment and hostilty for all involved.
The buck stops here.
Q: “Well % wise, how much is the USA responsible for the assasination”
A: “0%”
Headlines read:
“Ron Paul blames USA for all the worlds problems, promptly eats baby’s head”
Once again the political pundits are clueless. Latest CNN poll to intervene or not to intervene in Pakistan. 75% say NO US intervention. Ron Paul continues to have the American pulse and will only grow wider.
The more these smear post appear the more people support Ron Paul. Get over it!
DO RESEARCH! It’s shocking that you would say that Dr. Paul “tosses out the canard that we supported Osama bin Laden” when there is a movie currently in theaters starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts detailing the way in which the United States funded the mujahadeen in their war against the U.S.S.R.! Osama bin Laden was a commander in this operation. So, by funding it, we supported him in his struggle against the Soviets. Have you no regard for historty at all?
Second, ITS A COMPLETE COP OUT TO SAY that “But in Ron Paul’s world, all problems are the result of the US taking action.” Do you think that we live in such a vacuum that our actions abroad don’t have reactions. THE LEAD CIA OSAMA INVESTIGATOR supports Dr. Paul’s position, in a book tellingly titled, “Blowback.”
Sure, nothing America does is wrong, and putting the Shah in power in Iran in 53 had nothing to do with the Hostage crisis 25 years later.
Sure, “they hate us for our freedoms”
And YOU call a Duke educated Doctor and congressman a terminal retard? Talk about hypocrisy.
Jay - I suggest you link your piece on FreakRepublic because you’ve not yet gotten a positive response to this train wreck.
I suggest everyone watch this video.. Link is broken. Take out the space.
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Wether you like it or not - the USA did play a role in Pakistani affairs. We supported a dictatorship, and sent 10 billion in aid. Hence - That is why you have internal chaos - ONLY 8% OF POPULATION SUPPORT THE AMERICAN PUPPET GOVERNMENT.
You are wrong, and it seems you think people are too stupid to believe in common sense.Time to do some research and wake up.
The US has given 10 billion to a Pakistani military dictator. The US might as well give money to Chavez or Ahmadenijad….if you ACTUALLY really believe that some of that 10 billion of your tax dollars from your paychecks to a corrupt dictator government could not get into the wrong hands or does not present the US as a scapegoat to blood thirsty muslim radicals then you seriously need to turn off the Hannity, unlearn your government issued education and try to turn on your brain and wake up out of your obvious slumber. Paul as usual is dead on. Its nuts to me to see all the radicals in the mainstream media and in the republican party try to re-write history.
Paul is going to win, because he’s the only one in touch with the truth. Get ready for America to start acting like America and become re-aligned with the constitution.
By the way…I am a black immigrant Republican voter who will be voting for the only conservative Republican running for president…Ron Paul.
Once again, we fund countries that we then fight in a decade or so. Why should be get into wars that are not OURS?
He is not preaching “no war” but rather “declare war if we are to go” otherwise STAY OUT OF IT.
We give away trillions of dollars while our country is going down and people are still trying to put a target on Ron Paul using a “blame america” speech so the major media can preach that to its followers.
I’m voting for Dr. Paul. Of course, this crap happens, just like in South America. We support dictatorships that are unpopular and then we wonder why people are strapping bombs to their chests. What would you do if the American government became a dictatorship? Sit and watch it on Fox News? No! You would get your gun and take to the streets. LIVE FREE OR DIE!
Jay, MacRanger, Bryan Preston: Add another ‘idiot’ to your growing pile.
One dares say that not a single poster here knows the difference betwee a Sunni and a Shiite. It is doubtful that Ronnie Paul has no idea either.
Yet these bloggers are are M. Know-It-All. And this is just in; no one counts your votes. Your next selected, not elected, pres. is Sen. Chillay Chat-em Klinkton.
The dollar slid across the board on Friday as data showing a 9 percent decline in sales of new U.S. homes last month heightened concern about the economy, putting the greenback on track for its worst week in more than a year.
The housing report, which was weaker than economists had expected, also bolstered the case for more Federal Reserve interest rate cuts in 2008. Earlier this week, the S&P/Case-Shiller index showed a record decline in U.S. home prices in October.
This is what’s happening to YOUR house. All the ‘money’ and ‘equity’ you thought you had saved - eliminated! The equity through falling house prices - and the money because we are DEBASING OUR CURRENCY. That low fed rate you’re reading about gets created by printing money and lending it to people. With more money, the money YOU have is worth LESS. So your money is worth less and your property is worth less - where can you turn to keep ahead of inflation? I think you BETTER turn to Dr. Paul. He’s the ONLY one running that has a HOPE of being able to deal with this.
We won in Afghanistan against Russia and Ron Paul is complaining about the means we used to obtain that victory that evidently led to the fall of the Soviet Union. That makes me question whose interests he is looking out for. He also seems to like to quote socialist, ie “Fascism will come to America wrapped in a flag and bearing a cross”. I will not go on except to state once more that Ron Paul is politically naive as he seems to live in a bubble.
Kerwin,
The Soviet system collapsed because their economic system collapsed(much like America’s economic system is soon to do.) We trained and funded the Taliban to help fight the Soviets, was that a good idea to you? Do you think that particular intervention was good for America and the Middle East? Is the Taliban a pro-America organization? Are you happy that your tax dollars were spent on funding the Taliban to fight a nation that was crumbling from within and doomed to fail anyway? Ron Paul understands that he, and everyone in the US government, has no authority(authority is given to our government via the US Constitution, try reading it) to provide tax-payer funded aid to any nation, terrorist organization, or dictator. Just because a few “leaders” in the Executive Branch want to do something, doesn’t make it right, or lawful. I don’t think it is politically naive to obey the law, do you?
its pretty simple.
there is a large % of people in congress and senate (democrate or republican) that pretty much believe might is right.
sadam dictator - when we want to go after him…..it is said. OMG look at that very EVIL EVIL man. WE NEED TO STOP IT! so we invade iraq
iran - dictator OMG look at that loon!! he wants to destroy israel.!! OH NO!!! we need to put a stop to it
pakistan - dictator ( oh you will listen to us and be our puppet ?? ahh.. ok you are cool. its ok if you start wars in kargil against india. its ok if you put hta blame on nawaz shrief who had 70% job approval rating and over throw him) AS LONG AS YOU SERVE OUR INTEREST you are fine. if you server your own countries interest..SCREW YOU WE WILL BOMB YOU!! but for now. you ok
so we embrace him.
you cannot be police of this world. many nations tried it. they failed.
germany wanted it and got their face smashed.
alexander wanted it and he could not handle it.
america is moving in that direction and believe you me…super power or not they will implode like russia.
if we have a more neutral position then well terrorist attack whomever they have an issue with and if that is israel so be it. its not like they are saints and palestinian people are the arab devils/heathens. so let if israel wants to keep that area let them defend it. america has nothing to with that. we mind our own biz. stay away from entangling alliances. be neutral be moral be just in our dealings. we will get respect from friend and enemy.
last time i checked al qeda is not attack sweden! even though they are rich and free. so if we are too pompous to get out of the middle east and will not stop messing with other nations..then guess what…
we are doomed. the dollar is dropping the euro is gaining.
we need to have strong defense strong production and manufacturing and a strong people. we need to establish democracy in our own country first cuz at the moment its anything but that. even though its better than most countries out there…but then i say why compare ourselves with people below us. we should continue to strive to be the best nation however it will not happen. there are good bad people everywhere and yes we have BAD people in america as well.
its is a rant but hey w/e. the good thing is that the regular americans in general are good generous and kind. most bad people exist in our government. greedy bastards!