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	<title>Comments on: Democrats Vote Yes to Ramadan, But No To Christmas</title>
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	<description>Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer</description>
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		<title>By: Pastor Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/12/democrats-vote-yes-to-ramadan-but-no-to-christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-67697</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastor Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 02:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This nation was built on Christianity check it out for yourselves now we have
these 9 people Anti-Christian and Anti American Democrats thats apparently for Islam vote them out get some red blooded AMERICANS in there that love this nation and what it stands for   and send these democraps over seas where they can celebrate Ramadan.As for me I am celebrating CHRISTmas and the coming of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This nation was built on Christianity check it out for yourselves now we have<br />
these 9 people Anti-Christian and Anti American Democrats thats apparently for Islam vote them out get some red blooded AMERICANS in there that love this nation and what it stands for   and send these democraps over seas where they can celebrate Ramadan.As for me I am celebrating CHRISTmas and the coming of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Grass, Red State</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Grass, Red State</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Erwin Roberts Smacks Yarmuth Over Ramadan Vote...&lt;/strong&gt;

Then Roberts hit Yarmuth hard:


By his votes, Mr. Yarmuth has shown that he does not grasp one of the most fundamental principles of our American Constitution: Government must treat all religions with equal respect. Everyone in the 3rd District -.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Erwin Roberts Smacks Yarmuth Over Ramadan Vote&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Then Roberts hit Yarmuth hard:</p>
<p>By his votes, Mr. Yarmuth has shown that he does not grasp one of the most fundamental principles of our American Constitution: Government must treat all religions with equal respect. Everyone in the 3rd District -&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should correct myself, by the way:  635 was not passed in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.  It is recent, but it referenced those events.

Flame away, right-wing fellow Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should correct myself, by the way:  635 was not passed in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.  It is recent, but it referenced those events.</p>
<p>Flame away, right-wing fellow Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For consistency&#039;s sake, I suppose it would have made sense for the representatives who voted yes on 635 to vote yes on 847, but a full reading of the text of both resolutions shows that the blogs above are vastly oversimplifying things.  As usual, context is everything.

847 was passed, as the resolution&#039;s language notes, in the wake of 9/11 in a climate of fear and potential misunderstanding about Islam.  It was proposed and passed to prevent American Muslims from feeling threatened and to encourage all Americans to be unified in the wake of these terrible attacks but to avoid scapegoating the innocent.  The resolution makes almost no mention of Muslim theology, and is offered by an (at that time) entirely non-Islamic House of Representatives as a gesture of friendship to the American and international Muslim community.

HR 635 can be read either as the sort of relatively insignificant resolution the House and Senate pass all the time praising or recognizing one event/group or another, or it can be read as a defensive volley in the supposed &quot;War on Christmas.&quot;  Of course, the language of 635 belies the very idea of a war on Christmas.  If 225,000,000 Christians are afraid their holiday will somehow be forced underground, they&#039;re a pretty fearful bunch.  From where I sit, Christmas, a holiday the Puritans once banned because it was associated with waste and debauchery (most people celebrated it anyway), has rallied nicely since the mid-1600s, and is in no need of defense.

What the nine &quot;nay&quot; voters undoubtedly objected to was the implication in the bill that Christianity is, in all but name, the official religion of the United States.  The people now preparing to flame me a la Michelle Malkin can pretend this sentiment isn&#039;t in the bill while, at the same time, agreeing with the sentiment, but it&#039;s there.  Where the Constitution forbids the establishment of a state religion, the implications of a House resolution that lavishly praises a religion that is the one practiced by a vast majority of Americans, taking pains to connect it with the Republic using language familiar to anyone who has read the various arguments right-wing Christians have made attempting to paint the founders as deeply committed to a Christian state (they weren&#039;t), are considerably different than one that discourages discrimination and irrational hatred of the practitioners of a tiny minority religion.

That said, it&#039;d be hard not to see a trap like this one, and why these nine didn&#039;t vote &quot;present&quot; or simply skip the vote, I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For consistency&#8217;s sake, I suppose it would have made sense for the representatives who voted yes on 635 to vote yes on 847, but a full reading of the text of both resolutions shows that the blogs above are vastly oversimplifying things.  As usual, context is everything.</p>
<p>847 was passed, as the resolution&#8217;s language notes, in the wake of 9/11 in a climate of fear and potential misunderstanding about Islam.  It was proposed and passed to prevent American Muslims from feeling threatened and to encourage all Americans to be unified in the wake of these terrible attacks but to avoid scapegoating the innocent.  The resolution makes almost no mention of Muslim theology, and is offered by an (at that time) entirely non-Islamic House of Representatives as a gesture of friendship to the American and international Muslim community.</p>
<p>HR 635 can be read either as the sort of relatively insignificant resolution the House and Senate pass all the time praising or recognizing one event/group or another, or it can be read as a defensive volley in the supposed &#8220;War on Christmas.&#8221;  Of course, the language of 635 belies the very idea of a war on Christmas.  If 225,000,000 Christians are afraid their holiday will somehow be forced underground, they&#8217;re a pretty fearful bunch.  From where I sit, Christmas, a holiday the Puritans once banned because it was associated with waste and debauchery (most people celebrated it anyway), has rallied nicely since the mid-1600s, and is in no need of defense.</p>
<p>What the nine &#8220;nay&#8221; voters undoubtedly objected to was the implication in the bill that Christianity is, in all but name, the official religion of the United States.  The people now preparing to flame me a la Michelle Malkin can pretend this sentiment isn&#8217;t in the bill while, at the same time, agreeing with the sentiment, but it&#8217;s there.  Where the Constitution forbids the establishment of a state religion, the implications of a House resolution that lavishly praises a religion that is the one practiced by a vast majority of Americans, taking pains to connect it with the Republic using language familiar to anyone who has read the various arguments right-wing Christians have made attempting to paint the founders as deeply committed to a Christian state (they weren&#8217;t), are considerably different than one that discourages discrimination and irrational hatred of the practitioners of a tiny minority religion.</p>
<p>That said, it&#8217;d be hard not to see a trap like this one, and why these nine didn&#8217;t vote &#8220;present&#8221; or simply skip the vote, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberty Pundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberty Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Anti-Christian Democrats&lt;/strong&gt;

Wow.  We always knew it, but rarely has it been so effectively displayed:
From the office of G&#8230;
Popularity: unranked [?]...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Anti-Christian Democrats</strong></p>
<p>Wow.  We always knew it, but rarely has it been so effectively displayed:<br />
From the office of G&#38;#8230;<br />
Popularity: unranked [?]&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had that little tidbit on my &#039;Morning Coffee&#039; yesterday (the 12th), and didn&#039;t get one single comment about it.  I&#039;m just baffled more people haven&#039;t noticed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had that little tidbit on my &#8216;Morning Coffee&#8217; yesterday (the 12th), and didn&#8217;t get one single comment about it.  I&#8217;m just baffled more people haven&#8217;t noticed.</p>
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		<title>By: Pirate's Cove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pirate's Cove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;TTLF: Voting Against And Censoring Christmas&lt;/strong&gt;

If you listen to left wing pundits, there is no war on Christmas. It is all something made up in the minds of Bill O&#8217;Reilly and all the right wingnut neocon facists chickenhawks. Oh, really? Via Michelle Malkin
From the office of GOP Rep. Steve K...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>TTLF: Voting Against And Censoring Christmas</strong></p>
<p>If you listen to left wing pundits, there is no war on Christmas. It is all something made up in the minds of Bill O&#38;#8217;Reilly and all the right wingnut neocon facists chickenhawks. Oh, really? Via Michelle Malkin<br />
From the office of GOP Rep. Steve K&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jo's Cafe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo's Cafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Islam=Good; Christmas=Bad??!&lt;/strong&gt;

Jay over at Stop the ACLU is always on top of events going on around the globe, and especially within our own borders. (Where he finds the time, I havenâ€™t a clue).

...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Islam=Good; Christmas=Bad??!</strong></p>
<p>Jay over at Stop the ACLU is always on top of events going on around the globe, and especially within our own borders. (Where he finds the time, I havenâ€™t a clue).</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rosemary's Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosemary's Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;World, National and State News 12.12.07&lt;/strong&gt;

The Vets for Freedom debated in England last night. Unfortunately, I just opened the email. There is an article, however, letting our elected officials know of the importance of funding our troops before they leave for another one of their vacations....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>World, National and State News 12.12.07</strong></p>
<p>The Vets for Freedom debated in England last night. Unfortunately, I just opened the email. There is an article, however, letting our elected officials know of the importance of funding our troops before they leave for another one of their vacations&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: kerwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So can this be used to get these Democrats voted out of office.  I am happy to say none of them represent me as my House member is a Republican.  I hope none of them is a pro-life Democrat as they are a rare breed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So can this be used to get these Democrats voted out of office.  I am happy to say none of them represent me as my House member is a Republican.  I hope none of them is a pro-life Democrat as they are a rare breed.</p>
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