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	<title>Comments on: Don&#8217;t Mormons Believe That Jesus and the Devil are Brothers?</title>
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		<title>By: Helland Keller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helland Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there (anti)Jesus.

You got to know that Mormons believe that Jesus and devil are brothers?

Why you got to know that for?

Why are we both typing in Ebonics?

Anyway, post #12 above says that Mormon&#039;s don&#039;t believe that.  
It also gives the scripture 
that the ignorant and deluded use 
to PRETEND Mormons believe in an equality of Christ and satan.

Mormons DO NOT believe in an equality of Christ and satan.

There is a commonality though.  It&#039;s the same commonality that tied you and Lucifer together.

You were both created by God.  

Lucifer, &quot;Son of the Morning&quot;, an indescribably beautiful creation of God, came from God.

You came from God, I came from God.

Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten of the Father, 
which would have Him coming from God;
since God begot him.

Seeing how all these very different beings are creations of God, 
we share something (God as Creator)
that is sometimes called brotherhood.

Is it similar to the brotherhood that you and I share? 

NO.

Do Mormons teach that it is?

NO.

There are people who are driven 
by something that is not of Christ 
who desperately want you to believe
that Mormons teach the equality of Jesus and satan;
when Mormons do no such thing.

So why do Mormons bring up the slim commonality between Gods different creations at all?

It&#039;s a cautionary tale.

Mormons continuously teach how Christ taught the Gospel, on Earth, as one of us.  In this, Christ was our brother, but not our equal.  His humanity showed that we could be with God; as He was and would be.

Before the Earth was, we were all present before God; Christ, all angels, and us.  
We were independent beings, 
one in our commonality,
in that we were God created beings.

Commonality is not Equality.

With all Lucifer had and was, he still aspired to more.  He desired to be as Christ.  He formed a rebellion against God to force his desire.  The result was Lucifer being cast from Heaven and we now know him as satan.

The cautionary tale is that any of us can be tempted into rebellion, even the especially blessed.

Lucifer is personalized,
A LITTLE BIT,
to help us learn 
how rebellion against God
can lead to a most beautiful and gifted being,
becoming a most corrupt and evil being.

Now you have the lesson of The War in Heaven as it is actually taught.

For one to believe that Mormons teach the equality of Christ and satan, requires delusion or profound ignorance.

Let&#039;s hope you have neither.  Perhaps you could go forth and sin no more.

HK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there (anti)Jesus.</p>
<p>You got to know that Mormons believe that Jesus and devil are brothers?</p>
<p>Why you got to know that for?</p>
<p>Why are we both typing in Ebonics?</p>
<p>Anyway, post #12 above says that Mormon&#8217;s don&#8217;t believe that.<br />
It also gives the scripture<br />
that the ignorant and deluded use<br />
to PRETEND Mormons believe in an equality of Christ and satan.</p>
<p>Mormons DO NOT believe in an equality of Christ and satan.</p>
<p>There is a commonality though.  It&#8217;s the same commonality that tied you and Lucifer together.</p>
<p>You were both created by God.  </p>
<p>Lucifer, &#8220;Son of the Morning&#8221;, an indescribably beautiful creation of God, came from God.</p>
<p>You came from God, I came from God.</p>
<p>Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten of the Father,<br />
which would have Him coming from God;<br />
since God begot him.</p>
<p>Seeing how all these very different beings are creations of God,<br />
we share something (God as Creator)<br />
that is sometimes called brotherhood.</p>
<p>Is it similar to the brotherhood that you and I share? </p>
<p>NO.</p>
<p>Do Mormons teach that it is?</p>
<p>NO.</p>
<p>There are people who are driven<br />
by something that is not of Christ<br />
who desperately want you to believe<br />
that Mormons teach the equality of Jesus and satan;<br />
when Mormons do no such thing.</p>
<p>So why do Mormons bring up the slim commonality between Gods different creations at all?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a cautionary tale.</p>
<p>Mormons continuously teach how Christ taught the Gospel, on Earth, as one of us.  In this, Christ was our brother, but not our equal.  His humanity showed that we could be with God; as He was and would be.</p>
<p>Before the Earth was, we were all present before God; Christ, all angels, and us.<br />
We were independent beings,<br />
one in our commonality,<br />
in that we were God created beings.</p>
<p>Commonality is not Equality.</p>
<p>With all Lucifer had and was, he still aspired to more.  He desired to be as Christ.  He formed a rebellion against God to force his desire.  The result was Lucifer being cast from Heaven and we now know him as satan.</p>
<p>The cautionary tale is that any of us can be tempted into rebellion, even the especially blessed.</p>
<p>Lucifer is personalized,<br />
A LITTLE BIT,<br />
to help us learn<br />
how rebellion against God<br />
can lead to a most beautiful and gifted being,<br />
becoming a most corrupt and evil being.</p>
<p>Now you have the lesson of The War in Heaven as it is actually taught.</p>
<p>For one to believe that Mormons teach the equality of Christ and satan, requires delusion or profound ignorance.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope you have neither.  Perhaps you could go forth and sin no more.</p>
<p>HK</p>
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		<title>By: Jesus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got to know that Mormons believe that Jesus and devil are brothers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got to know that Mormons believe that Jesus and devil are brothers.</p>
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		<title>By: kerwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our system actually works against a theocracy as we have so many different denomination in the U.S.  There may be an anti-this or that trend but the people are the ones ultimately responsible for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our system actually works against a theocracy as we have so many different denomination in the U.S.  There may be an anti-this or that trend but the people are the ones ultimately responsible for that.</p>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tommo,

E-mail me from the afterlife and remind me who&#039;s a superstitious fool then. I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll
have a lot more first-hand details about whether Pat Robertson&#039;s in Hell, but for your sake,
I hope not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tommo,</p>
<p>E-mail me from the afterlife and remind me who&#8217;s a superstitious fool then. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll<br />
have a lot more first-hand details about whether Pat Robertson&#8217;s in Hell, but for your sake,<br />
I hope not.</p>
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		<title>By: Helland Keller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helland Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry tommo.  Did you say something?  It seems none of us were paying any attention.  Here&#039;s a subsidy.  Now run along like a good leftist.

HK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry tommo.  Did you say something?  It seems none of us were paying any attention.  Here&#8217;s a subsidy.  Now run along like a good leftist.</p>
<p>HK</p>
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		<title>By: tommo</title>
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		<dc:creator>tommo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does this have to do with slandering the ACLU, one of our only hopes of stopping the fascist Bush regime and the theocrats?

Anyone who believes in Satan and Jesus&#039;s virgin birth, etc., are superstitious fools.  May Pat Robertson, Bush, Huckabee, Romney, and all the other war-mongering pro-torture faux Christ-ies burn in their imagined hell for the damage they have done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does this have to do with slandering the ACLU, one of our only hopes of stopping the fascist Bush regime and the theocrats?</p>
<p>Anyone who believes in Satan and Jesus&#8217;s virgin birth, etc., are superstitious fools.  May Pat Robertson, Bush, Huckabee, Romney, and all the other war-mongering pro-torture faux Christ-ies burn in their imagined hell for the damage they have done.</p>
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		<title>By: Glib Fortuna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glib Fortuna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why is everyone giving Romney a pass on his religious beliefs while scrutinizing past religious statements of Huckabee?&quot;

I&#039;m not sure what you mean here Jay, especially in the context of the post.  Romney&#039;s faith has been on the table from the outset and he has been attacked for it.  Jan Mickelson&#039;s cheap blindside in Iowa, Janet Folger (whenever she can accost someone in a hallway or an elevator), Laurence O&#039;Donnell, World Net Daily and Bill Keller are just a few examples.  Then we have the mysterious push poll calls from last month.

What&#039;s more, this isn&#039;t a &quot;past statement&quot; we&#039;re discussing.  This is a statement Huckabee made for an article that isn&#039;t even published yet.

The big difference is this and I think it might hit your posed question more directly: Huckabee made this statement about Romney&#039;s faith while Romney has not attacked anyone&#039;s faith.  I have not seen anyone attack Huckabee&#039;s FAITH (yet -- just wait for the onslaught if Huckabee is served up as the disastrous nominee).  What I have seen is his record analyzed.  I personally have criticized him for &quot;Christianeering&quot; -- trafficking his own brand of social gospel faith as his SOLE qualification.  So, if anyone is using faith both ways (to his own advantage and to attack competitors) it is Huckabee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why is everyone giving Romney a pass on his religious beliefs while scrutinizing past religious statements of Huckabee?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean here Jay, especially in the context of the post.  Romney&#8217;s faith has been on the table from the outset and he has been attacked for it.  Jan Mickelson&#8217;s cheap blindside in Iowa, Janet Folger (whenever she can accost someone in a hallway or an elevator), Laurence O&#8217;Donnell, World Net Daily and Bill Keller are just a few examples.  Then we have the mysterious push poll calls from last month.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, this isn&#8217;t a &#8220;past statement&#8221; we&#8217;re discussing.  This is a statement Huckabee made for an article that isn&#8217;t even published yet.</p>
<p>The big difference is this and I think it might hit your posed question more directly: Huckabee made this statement about Romney&#8217;s faith while Romney has not attacked anyone&#8217;s faith.  I have not seen anyone attack Huckabee&#8217;s FAITH (yet &#8212; just wait for the onslaught if Huckabee is served up as the disastrous nominee).  What I have seen is his record analyzed.  I personally have criticized him for &#8220;Christianeering&#8221; &#8212; trafficking his own brand of social gospel faith as his SOLE qualification.  So, if anyone is using faith both ways (to his own advantage and to attack competitors) it is Huckabee.</p>
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		<title>By: Thad Coons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thad Coons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for taking the video down. Parodies and caricatures
would have no point if they were not recognizably similar to
the originals, but that does not make them portraits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking the video down. Parodies and caricatures<br />
would have no point if they were not recognizably similar to<br />
the originals, but that does not make them portraits.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorraine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorraine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t care less about what Mitt or the Mormons believe. Did Mitt as governor create a mini-theocracy in Mass? Of course he didn&#039;t! He and his family seem to be very nice, good, productive, hard-working highly moral people. That&#039;s enough for me.

Mitt wouldn&#039;t have brought up his religion in any way had the media and others not attacked him for being Mormon.

Frankly, as a non-believer in any religion, all religions sound like cults in some way or another. But most people are religious and if they need that crutch to go about their lives, that&#039;s fine. I&#039;m with Dennis D.  &quot;As long as Mormons are not flying Jets into buildings and strapping on suicide belts I have no problem with them.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t care less about what Mitt or the Mormons believe. Did Mitt as governor create a mini-theocracy in Mass? Of course he didn&#8217;t! He and his family seem to be very nice, good, productive, hard-working highly moral people. That&#8217;s enough for me.</p>
<p>Mitt wouldn&#8217;t have brought up his religion in any way had the media and others not attacked him for being Mormon.</p>
<p>Frankly, as a non-believer in any religion, all religions sound like cults in some way or another. But most people are religious and if they need that crutch to go about their lives, that&#8217;s fine. I&#8217;m with Dennis D.  &#8220;As long as Mormons are not flying Jets into buildings and strapping on suicide belts I have no problem with them.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian evangelicals are the base of the modern Republican party.  They like HUCK!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian evangelicals are the base of the modern Republican party.  They like HUCK!!!</p>
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