Comments on: Newdow Challenges to Pledge and Motto to Be Heard by 9th Circuit Tuesday http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/03/newdow-challenges-to-pledge-and-motto-to-be-heard-by-9th-circuit-tuesday/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:11:43 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: Scott Sullivan http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/03/newdow-challenges-to-pledge-and-motto-to-be-heard-by-9th-circuit-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-66131 Scott Sullivan Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:47:58 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/12/03/newdow-challenges-to-pledge-and-motto-to-be-heard-by-9th-circuit-tuesday/#comment-66131 Is a class recitation led by a teacher really 'voluntary'? Would an oath which your boss or employer leads you in public, as he watches you, really be 'voluntary' even if he says it is? I don't think do. "I want to be treated equally," said Michael Newdow. He added that supporters of the phrases "want to have their religious views espoused by the government." That's what the case is about, and Newdow is right. Is a class recitation led by a teacher really ‘voluntary’? Would an oath which your boss or employer leads you in public, as he watches you, really be ‘voluntary’ even if he says it is? I don’t think do.

“I want to be treated equally,” said Michael Newdow. He added that supporters of the phrases “want to have their religious views espoused by the government.”

That’s what the case is about, and Newdow is right.

]]> By: Jay http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/03/newdow-challenges-to-pledge-and-motto-to-be-heard-by-9th-circuit-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-66130 Jay Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:56:46 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/12/03/newdow-challenges-to-pledge-and-motto-to-be-heard-by-9th-circuit-tuesday/#comment-66130 I think Newdow makes a good point. The First Amendment ensures that the government shall not inhibit, nor encourage the establishment of religion. This neutrality protects all beliefs equally. How can anyone argue that our government proclaiming "one nation under God" or "in God we trust" does not encourage the establishment of religion? I think Newdow makes a good point. The First Amendment ensures that the government shall not inhibit, nor encourage the establishment of religion. This neutrality protects all beliefs equally. How can anyone argue that our government proclaiming “one nation under God” or “in God we trust” does not encourage the establishment of religion?

]]> By: Megan http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/03/newdow-challenges-to-pledge-and-motto-to-be-heard-by-9th-circuit-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-66129 Megan Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:28:12 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/12/03/newdow-challenges-to-pledge-and-motto-to-be-heard-by-9th-circuit-tuesday/#comment-66129 Why should we have to move from this country just because we think that God should stay in the pledge? This country was founded by Judeo-Christian values. There are more people in this country that believe in God and think that "Under God" should stay in the pledge. Why should we have to cave to a bunch of nut jobs that doesn't believe in God. And I hate to tell you that no one is forced to say the pledge. This man is a wacko who doesn't even have a case. He will most likley win this case in the 9th circuit, but he won't have a chance if it goes to the Supreme Court. Why should we have to move from this country just because we think that God
should stay in the pledge? This country was founded by Judeo-Christian values.
There are more people in this country that believe in God and think that “Under
God” should stay in the pledge. Why should we have to cave to a bunch of nut jobs
that doesn’t believe in God. And I hate to tell you that no one is forced to say
the pledge. This man is a wacko who doesn’t even have a case. He will most likley
win this case in the 9th circuit, but he won’t have a chance if it goes to the
Supreme Court.

]]> By: Atheistscientist http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/03/newdow-challenges-to-pledge-and-motto-to-be-heard-by-9th-circuit-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-66128 Atheistscientist Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:48:37 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/12/03/newdow-challenges-to-pledge-and-motto-to-be-heard-by-9th-circuit-tuesday/#comment-66128 There is separation of State and chruch in the constitution, it is in the FIRST amendment... "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," The phrase building a wall of separation between church and state was written by Thomas Jefferson in a January 1, 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptist Association. When you force children to say "under God,' you are violating the Constitution. And which God? This nation filled with Muslims, Buddhists, and Wiccans. It is against what America stands for. The Pledge should be restored to it's traditional from, before the phrase "under God" was ADDED by zealots. Those that disagree should move. The US Constitution was the world's first secular constitution. There are plenty of countries in the world that mention God in their Constitution, American isn't one of them. There is separation of State and chruch in the constitution, it is in the FIRST amendment…
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,”

The phrase building a wall of separation between church and state was written by Thomas Jefferson in a January 1, 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptist Association.

When you force children to say “under God,’ you are violating the Constitution. And which God? This nation filled with Muslims, Buddhists, and Wiccans. It is against what America stands for. The Pledge should be restored to it’s traditional from, before the phrase “under God” was ADDED by zealots. Those that disagree should move. The US Constitution was the world’s first secular constitution. There are plenty of countries in the world that mention God in their Constitution, American isn’t one of them.

]]> By: Pamela Stone http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/03/newdow-challenges-to-pledge-and-motto-to-be-heard-by-9th-circuit-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-66127 Pamela Stone Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:10:18 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/12/03/newdow-challenges-to-pledge-and-motto-to-be-heard-by-9th-circuit-tuesday/#comment-66127 There is nothing in our constitution, or any other government document, separating Church & State and even the ACLU cannot show me where it is stated in any way, shape or form in our constitution. It is purely false. This guy needs to move out of America and go to some other country where they don't believe in God! There is nothing in our constitution, or any other government document, separating Church & State and even the ACLU cannot show me where it is stated in any way, shape or form in our constitution. It is purely false.
This guy needs to move out of America and go to some other country where they don’t believe in God!

]]> By: Two Dogs http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/03/newdow-challenges-to-pledge-and-motto-to-be-heard-by-9th-circuit-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-66126 Two Dogs Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:08:43 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/12/03/newdow-challenges-to-pledge-and-motto-to-be-heard-by-9th-circuit-tuesday/#comment-66126 I agree that he will win at the Ninth. Why won't the government actually do something positive and disband that group on the grounds that they are not able to read? I agree that he will win at the Ninth. Why won’t the government actually do something positive and disband that group on the grounds that they are not able to read?

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