Comments on: Mitt Romney to Give Major Speech on Mormonism http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:01:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: susie http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-66106 susie Sat, 08 Dec 2007 02:31:19 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/#comment-66106 Wendy, my wife visited this site hopeing to gain some insight on current political issues and find out any real reason for not supporting Mitt.Instead she found misinformation and lies.I spent a fair amount of time studying religion. Now "Mormonism" (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as they prefer) are by name and belief believers in Christ and his atonement. You state that they believe their works will save them.. Where ever did you hear that? Its my understanding that Christ set the perfect example (including but not limited to) being Baptized, and proclaiming his Gospel as well as seeing to the needs of the sick and afflicted.ie. Work!!! The good book could not make it any more clear to me than it does in James chapter 2, and since you must not enjoy studying this book go ahead and skip to around verse 14 or so, if its not clear by the time you get to verse 17 ("Even so faith, if it has not works, is dead,being alone.") than it never will be.In studing mormonism it was clear to me that to truely except Christs atonement one must be moved to action therefor grace and works are neccassary.Do I beleive this makes Mormonism true? No, but its the first of many misunderstandings you seem to foster. What offical mormon doctrine did you find info for these claims about the nuetral 1/3 or Jesus' offspring?(although,I actually like the idea of THEE perfect example being a family man). Now there is no need to continue pointing out yours (as well as others on this blogs)non researched accusations but please represent it as your thoughts not Mitt's or any one elses religious beliefs. I must also ask one small question, You claim Mormons think Ellohim came and had sex with Mary? Is that Immaculate or what? Oh yea just between us, Chronologically speaking, Revelations was not the last book written in the Bible (King put it there) so I guess you need to toss part of the Bible out because it came after that verse about adding to this book. oops. As for me I'll just keep working at studying all of it and praying for a good political leader. Form your beliefs through study and prayer, don't just accept what someone has told you, I may be wrong. Lets search out our own beliefs and then elect a man(or woman) based on their morals character,and leadership not religion because after all we have all just proven thats the one division in our great nation. Funny, thats how this whole country came to be. Wendy, my wife visited this site hopeing to gain some insight
on current political issues and find out any real reason for not
supporting Mitt.Instead she found misinformation and lies.I
spent a fair amount of time studying religion.
Now “Mormonism” (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
as they prefer) are by name and belief believers in Christ and his
atonement. You state that they believe their works will save them..
Where ever did you hear that? Its my understanding that Christ set
the perfect example (including but not limited to) being Baptized,
and proclaiming his Gospel as well as seeing to the needs of the
sick and afflicted.ie. Work!!! The good book could not make it
any more clear to me than it does in James chapter 2, and since
you must not enjoy studying this book go ahead and skip to around
verse 14 or so, if its not clear by the time you get to verse 17
(“Even so faith, if it has not works, is dead,being alone.”) than
it never will be.In studing mormonism it was clear to me that to
truely except Christs atonement one must be moved to action
therefor grace and works are neccassary.Do I beleive this makes
Mormonism true? No, but its the first of
many misunderstandings you seem to foster. What offical mormon
doctrine did you find info for these claims about the nuetral 1/3
or Jesus’ offspring?(although,I actually like the idea of THEE
perfect example being a family man). Now there is no need to
continue pointing out yours (as well as others on this blogs)non
researched accusations but please represent it as your thoughts
not Mitt’s or any one elses religious beliefs. I must also ask
one small question, You claim Mormons think Ellohim came and had
sex with Mary? Is that Immaculate or what? Oh yea just between
us, Chronologically speaking, Revelations was not the last book
written in the Bible (King put it there) so I guess you need to
toss part of the Bible out because it came after that verse
about adding to this book. oops. As for me I’ll just keep working
at studying all of it and praying for a good political leader.
Form your beliefs through study and prayer, don’t just accept
what someone has told you, I may be wrong. Lets search out our
own beliefs and then elect a man(or woman) based on their morals
character,and leadership not religion because after all we have
all just proven thats the one division in our great nation. Funny,
thats how this whole country came to be.

]]> By: susie http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-66105 susie Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:40:12 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/#comment-66105 wow you are really confused and I have no idea where you are getting this information. It is people like you that go through life with demented ideas taught to you by ???? I wouldn't share those thoughts with too many people. You are missing some key information. I am sorry for you. Regardless, my point was I would rather have someone morally correct lead our country regardless of his or her religion. Whether you claim you are Christian or not doesn't mean you are living a Christian life. wow you are really confused and I have no idea where you are
getting this information. It is people like you that
go through life with demented ideas taught to you by ????
I wouldn’t share those thoughts with too many people. You are
missing some key information. I am sorry for you.
Regardless, my point was I would rather have someone morally
correct lead our country regardless of his or her religion.
Whether you claim you are Christian or not doesn’t mean you are
living a Christian life.

]]> By: Wendy http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-66104 Wendy Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:46:26 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/#comment-66104 I don't care what people say. What you believe, DOES influence your choices and decision making. Jesus claimed to be God in the flesh and that's the BIG difference between Christians and other faiths. From my research on Mormonism, they teach that God, Ellohim, lived on planet Koleb with many wives and offspring. That Jesus and Satan were spirit brothers, and Jesus came up with the better idea for salvation. Satan was cast to the earth with 1/3 of those who agreed with him and those who remained nuetral were the dark skinned, or black people, of the earth. In order for Jesus to have a physical body Ellohim came to earth and had sex with Mary. Then later Jesus had many wives and offspring as well. This is totally contrary to scripture. It devalues Who Jesus Christ is and What He did on the cross. He was fully God and fully man. Joseph Smith and his family were heavily involved with the occult. The angel Mornoni was more than likely a demon. The Bible says satan comes as an "Angel of Light". The Mormons have been deceived. Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father except through Me." The Bible also says in Ephesians "For it is by grace, through faith, you have been saved, not of works, lest any man should boast." The Mormon faith teaches good works first. They must earn their salvation. The Bible doesn't teach this. If this were the case, then Jesus died in vain. He was the spotless Lamb of God. Without any sin. He was our sin offering. When someone realizes that they can't save themselves and are without hope, totally wretched and sinful, then they will realize how much they truely need a Saviour. Only Jesus Christ is our salvation. You cannot earn your way to heaven. Jesus was crucified because He claimed to be God. The pharisees felt threatened by Him. They are expecting their Messiah to "look" like a Messiah, not a lowly, homeless man. God's word and only God's word is the Truth. No additional books of revelation are to be added. Read the end of Revelation. "If anyone adds to this book, let them be accursed!" I didn't say that, Jesus did. I don’t care what people say. What you believe, DOES influence your choices and decision making. Jesus claimed to be God in the flesh and that’s the BIG difference between Christians and other faiths. From my research on Mormonism, they teach that God, Ellohim, lived on planet Koleb with many wives and offspring. That Jesus and Satan were spirit brothers, and Jesus came up with the better idea for salvation. Satan was cast to the earth with 1/3 of those who agreed with him and those who remained nuetral were the dark skinned, or black people, of the earth. In order for Jesus to have a physical body Ellohim came to earth and had sex with Mary. Then later Jesus had many wives and offspring as well. This is totally contrary to scripture. It devalues Who Jesus Christ is and What He did on the cross. He was fully God and fully man. Joseph Smith and his family were heavily involved with the occult. The angel Mornoni was more than likely a demon. The Bible says satan comes as an “Angel of Light”. The Mormons have been deceived. Jesus said “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father except through Me.” The Bible also says in Ephesians “For it is by grace, through faith, you have been saved, not of works, lest any man should boast.” The Mormon faith teaches good works first. They must earn their salvation. The Bible doesn’t teach this. If this were the case, then Jesus died in vain. He was the spotless Lamb of God. Without any sin. He was our sin offering. When someone realizes that they can’t save themselves and are without hope, totally wretched and sinful, then they will realize how much they truely need a Saviour. Only Jesus Christ is our salvation. You cannot earn your way to heaven. Jesus was crucified because He claimed to be God. The pharisees felt threatened by Him. They are expecting their Messiah to “look” like a Messiah, not a lowly, homeless man. God’s word and only God’s word is the Truth. No additional books of revelation are to be added. Read the end of Revelation. “If anyone adds to this book, let them be accursed!” I didn’t say that, Jesus did.

]]> By: susie http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-66103 susie Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:28:41 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/#comment-66103 I am confused! Why would Mitt Romney have to explain his faith any more than any other candidates. Catholics could explain why their church had to pay to help those that have been hurt by their men of cloth. Southern Baptist stick strong to their faith- you can't tell me they might not be swayed by thier faith. I have attended many different congregations including The Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints(mormons) and I actually found it to be the most peacefull. LDS folks have very humble and morally correct lives. I would find his lifestyle much more trustworthy than Guilanis or Clintons. I look at how religion has maybe influenced a man's growing, but not the religion itself. LDS is a christian church just like any other christian church is in America. If you are questioning that you know nothing about LDS people. No church is going to have all the perfect pieces and the fact that it is continually coming up with Mitts name so confusing to me. What bothers all of you about it. Are you worried he will pray about something and maybe feel an answer to his prayer that might sway him. Isn't that what prayer is for. Do you think Guilani is not praying and feeling answers. I think maybe those doing the questioning need to go to LDS.org. Do your research or quit talking about it! I am confused! Why would Mitt Romney
have to explain his faith any more
than any other candidates. Catholics
could explain why their church had
to pay to help those that have been
hurt by their men of cloth. Southern
Baptist stick strong to their faith-
you can’t tell me they might not be
swayed by thier faith. I have attended
many different congregations including
The Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter
Day Saints(mormons) and I actually found
it to be the most peacefull. LDS folks
have very humble and morally correct lives.
I would find his lifestyle much more
trustworthy than Guilanis or Clintons.
I look at how religion has maybe
influenced a man’s growing, but not the
religion itself. LDS is a christian church
just like any other christian church is
in America. If you are questioning that
you know nothing about LDS people.
No church is going to have all the perfect
pieces and the fact that it is continually
coming up with Mitts name so confusing to
me. What bothers all of you about it.
Are you worried he will pray about something
and maybe feel an answer to his prayer
that might sway him. Isn’t that what prayer
is for. Do you think Guilani is not praying
and feeling answers. I think maybe
those doing the questioning need to go to
LDS.org.
Do your research or quit talking about it!

]]> By: grace http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-66102 grace Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:52:47 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/#comment-66102 I have never seen a church so open about what it believes and teaches. Instead of posting a bunch of sites that are put out by individuals who think they know all the answers, or have turned "anti-", go the the churches official websites. They are http://lds.org or http://mormon.org The mormon church doesn't believe it has all the answers, or that all other churches are false. What is taught is that all christianity teaches truth to the degree they know it, and the mormons believe that through modern-day revelation, more truth has been given to the world. They are trying to share it through missionary work. If you take time to look at it honestly, you'll see there is nothing contrary to the bible in the book of mormon. There are extremly few issues the church takes an official stance on and does not endorse ANY candidate- even a member like Romney. Rather it encourages each person to think and decide for his/herself. Nobody will be telling anyone they have use their political position to do or not do anything, or risk damnation. Otherwise, I'd have thought they'd have spoken up on the whole gay-marriage issue while he was governor of Mass. The church teaches that each of us is entitled to personal revelation to guide our own lives with. It's recieved through sincere prayer. Which means you have thought out an issue and you are asking the Lord. He answers your prayers, and since you are listening for His answer, when you recieve it, you know. Then, the thinking stops about that issue and our troubled worldly minds go on to the next issue. Is anyone afraid the pope is going to exercise "unrighteous dominion" over a catholic candidate? It's just as silly to think the prophet would. I have never seen a church so open about what it believes and teaches. Instead of posting a bunch of sites that are put out by individuals who think they know all the answers, or have turned “anti-”, go the the churches official websites. They are http://lds.org or http://mormon.org The mormon church doesn’t believe it has all the answers, or that all other churches are false. What is taught is that all christianity teaches truth to the degree they know it, and the mormons believe that through modern-day revelation, more truth has been given to the world. They are trying to share it through missionary work. If you take time to look at it honestly, you’ll see there is nothing contrary to the bible in the book of mormon. There are extremly few issues the church takes an official stance on and does not endorse ANY candidate- even a member like Romney. Rather it encourages each person to think and decide for his/herself. Nobody will be telling anyone they have use their political position to do or not do anything, or risk damnation. Otherwise, I’d have thought they’d have spoken up on the whole gay-marriage issue while he was governor of Mass. The church teaches that each of us is entitled to personal revelation to guide our own lives with. It’s recieved through sincere prayer. Which means you have thought out an issue and you are asking the Lord. He answers your prayers, and since you are listening for His answer, when you recieve it, you know. Then, the thinking stops about that issue and our troubled worldly minds go on to the next issue. Is anyone afraid the pope is going to exercise “unrighteous dominion” over a catholic candidate? It’s just as silly to think the prophet would.

]]> By: your clueless http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-66101 your clueless Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:38:30 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/#comment-66101 Members of the Mormon faith believe that all religions provide good. Get some facts stright! There is no dark side to the religion except people like you who have no understanding of the truth about the good of the momon faith. I know you were involved in the church for 38 years and something must have had a bitter falling away. Stop slandering the church and move on with your life. Take what good the church gave you and become a better person. We live in America where freedom of religion makes us the country we are. Catholics are to follow the Pope, so should we never elect a catholic? Come on! It is politics not religion. If anyone, you should know as a former member that the LDS faith only means well and the members of the church are great citizens! Members of the Mormon faith believe that all religions provide good. Get some facts stright! There is no dark side to the religion except people like you who have no understanding of the truth about the good of the momon faith. I know you were involved in the church for 38 years and something must have had a bitter falling away. Stop slandering the church and move on with your life. Take what good the church gave you and become a better person. We live in America where freedom of religion makes us the country we are. Catholics are to follow the Pope, so should we never elect a catholic? Come on! It is politics not religion. If anyone, you should know as a former member that the LDS faith only means well and the members of the church are great citizens!

]]> By: WhyWhyWicki http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-66100 WhyWhyWicki Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:01:01 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/#comment-66100 Debrar and Jay: The greatest minds in hx (Ths. Paine**, Madalyn Murray O'Hair et al.) have debunked the entire god idea). Previous post wsa a bit facetious. Sorry about it. **Deism is essentially atheism. Debrar and Jay:

The greatest minds in hx (Ths. Paine**, Madalyn Murray O’Hair
et al.) have debunked the entire god idea). Previous post wsa a bit facetious.
Sorry about it.

**Deism is essentially atheism.

]]> By: kerwin http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-66099 kerwin Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:28:55 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/#comment-66099 JFK's anti-religion speech would alienate some and maybe most Republican voters. I suggest Romney try a speech about the U.S. being religious inclusive instead. He has done OK toughing on the subject so I hope he doesn't ruin it by going in the JFK direction as many RINO's want him to. JFK’s anti-religion speech would alienate some and maybe most Republican voters. I suggest Romney try a speech about the U.S. being religious inclusive instead. He has done OK toughing on the subject so I hope he doesn’t ruin it by going in the JFK direction as many RINO’s want him to.

]]> By: DC http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-66098 DC Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:15:10 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/#comment-66098 These comments are interesting, yet predictable. Here is what mystifies me. Mormons claim that Christians persecute them for their beliefs and spread lies about them. Now, if Mormons believe their founder, Joseph Smith—and all good Mormons do (including Mitt Romney, since he has stated that he is a true blue Mormon), then they believe--although they will never come out and state it--that all Christian religions are false and their pastors are corrupt--see Doctrine and Covenants--the first vision story. Their own missionaries teach this! Talk about intolerance! And yet, all we hear about is how the Christians are picking on the poor Mormons. Give me a break. There are reasons to be worried about a Mormon becoming President of the United States, and the answers can be found in Mormon history. Although I’d love to go into that, this venue won’t allow me the space. However, good Mormons aren’t taught the “dark side” of their religious history, and they’ve been taught not to think for themselves. One of their own “prophets” stated that when a prophet speaks, the thinking has been done. Now tell me, since Mitt Romney is a temple endowed, true blue Mormon, how can I possibly believe that if the Mormon prophet tells Mitt to do something, Mitt won’t obey? Mitt is under obligation to follow his “prophet”. If he doesn’t, he stands to lose a great deal. The majority of people don’t understand how powerful the Mormon church is, and how corrupt its history is; if they did, they’d all have serious reservations about Mitt, regardless of how great a guy he seems to be. I do. I was involved with the Mormon church for 38 years, held high positions within the church, etc. I know what those temple covenants commit a Mormon to do—follow the Mormon leadership unquestioningly. I don’t care what religion a person claims loyalty to—but I don’t want the president of my country in the back pocket of any church or other powerful organization. These comments are interesting, yet predictable. Here is what mystifies me. Mormons claim that Christians persecute them for their beliefs and spread lies about them. Now, if Mormons believe their founder, Joseph Smith—and all good Mormons do (including Mitt Romney, since he has stated that he is a true blue Mormon), then they believe–although they will never come out and state it–that all Christian religions are false and their pastors are corrupt–see Doctrine and Covenants–the first vision story. Their own missionaries teach this! Talk about intolerance! And yet, all we hear about is how the Christians are picking on the poor Mormons. Give me a break. There are reasons to be worried about a Mormon becoming President of the United States, and the answers can be found in Mormon history. Although I’d love to go into that, this venue won’t allow me the space. However, good Mormons aren’t taught the “dark side” of their religious history, and they’ve been taught not to think for themselves. One of their own “prophets” stated that when a prophet speaks, the thinking has been done. Now tell me, since Mitt Romney is a temple endowed, true blue Mormon, how can I possibly believe that if the Mormon prophet tells Mitt to do something, Mitt won’t obey? Mitt is under obligation to follow his “prophet”. If he doesn’t, he stands to lose a great deal. The majority of people don’t understand how powerful the Mormon church is, and how corrupt its history is; if they did, they’d all have serious reservations about Mitt, regardless of how great a guy he seems to be. I do. I was involved with the Mormon church for 38 years, held high positions within the church, etc. I know what those temple covenants commit a Mormon to do—follow the Mormon leadership unquestioningly. I don’t care what religion a person claims loyalty to—but I don’t want the president of my country in the back pocket of any church or other powerful organization.

]]> By: JLF http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/comment-page-1/#comment-66097 JLF Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:48:15 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/12/02/mitt-romney-to-give-major-speech-on-mormonism/#comment-66097 I think the real issue here is teh Southern Baptist Conventions turning radical and kicking women out of thier sect. Ask Goober about that. I think the real issue here is teh Southern Baptist Conventions turning radical and kicking women out of thier sect. Ask Goober about that.

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